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<div>part of the [[Sacred Chao Te Ching]]<br />
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=== Chapter 51 ===<br />
<br />
All beings are part of Eris' slapstick routine.<br />
Everybody makes Eris laugh<br />
even the straight man in the bit.<br />
<br />
When you walk with total certainty, <br />
your head high <br />
like a cosmic shmuck,<br />
you are vulnerable to the old banana peel shtick.<br />
<br />
When a shmuck slips,<br />
his face becomes red with embarassment. <br />
Eris showed him what he did not perceive,<br />
and lo, it was funny.<br />
<br />
=== Chapter 52 ===<br />
<br />
The unity of the Chao shattered into everything else.<br />
Those who understand Chaos can understand the rest.<br />
That which can be understood can be useful.<br />
<br />
Embrace doubt, reserve judgement,<br />
and knowledge will flow like water.<br />
Come to solid conclusions, have unwavering Faith,<br />
and nothing will make sense.<br />
<br />
Admitting ignorace is wise;<br />
Declaring stupidity is clever.<br />
Look for the gaps, seek them out,<br />
and then you'll know what needs filling.<br />
This is Thinking for Yourself.<br />
<br />
=== Chapter 53 ===<br />
<br />
Even those who partially understand<br />
admit they do not know everything.<br />
What is unknown is vast, <br />
but people enjoy blinding themselves.<br />
<br />
When Authority bangs the podium,<br />
the people say, "my country, right or wrong."<br />
When the holy man thumps his scripture,<br />
the people embrace Faith over Facts.<br />
So some people revel<br />
in their abandonment of responsibility.<br />
They have given up their humanity.<br />
This is fucking stupid.<br />
<br />
=== Chapter 54 ===<br />
<br />
Our society is firmly held and steered<br />
by deeply ingrained and arbitrary rules.<br />
Those who choose to play a different game<br />
are usually trampled underfoot,<br />
unless they appear to be playing along.<br />
<br />
To belong to the group,<br />
you must follow their rules.<br />
To follow their rules,<br />
you must abandon responsibility.<br />
When you abandon responsibility,<br />
you destroy the Self.<br />
<br />
Therefore the wise spags choose responsibly,<br />
and seek out new groups.<br />
They know which rules are their own,<br />
which come from others,<br />
and how to navigate between them.<br />
<br />
=== Chapter 55 ===<br />
<br />
Those who understand Chaos can pierce any illusion.<br />
Disorder does not trouble them.<br />
Order does not placate them.<br />
They see around the bars of their Cell,<br />
and always look just a little bit further.<br />
They can freely create, knowing no boundries,<br />
but color inside the lines when they must.<br />
They can wear ideas like masks, but remove them at will,<br />
and are not bound by chains of Faith.<br />
To know Chaos is to always be in doubt.<br />
To know doubt is to always seek an answer.<br />
<br />
To try and force Truth is dangerous.<br />
To decide you're right before getting the facts is foolish;<br />
The first errent bit of evidence will cause a collapse.<br />
Whatever is monolithic will fall.<br />
<br />
=== Chapter 56 ===<br />
<br />
Those that create, also destroy.<br />
Those who destroy, also create.<br />
Study the sixteen forms<br />
of Order, Creation, Disorder, and Destruction.<br />
These are all lies.<br />
Those believing them can do anything.<br />
Those who disbelieve are fools.<br />
Do you believe that?<br />
<br />
=== Chapter 57 ===<br />
<br />
Authority rules through miscommunication.<br />
Wars are waged by pandering to fears.<br />
The world can be won by joining opposites:<br />
Tell people what they want to hear, and they will follow.<br />
Make them think like apes, and they will act like monkeys.<br />
Relieve them of their responsibilities, they will call you wise.<br />
Show them what they fear, they will call you just.<br />
<br />
Therefore, the wise spags say,<br />
"Pay no attention to the speeches of Authority,<br />
but listen instead to what the audience is hearing.<br />
And if at all possible,<br />
try to be the one making the speech."<br />
<br />
=== Chapter 58 ===<br />
<br />
When Authority imposes Order, people become angry.<br />
When Authority allows Freedom, people become nervous.<br />
To allow for mistakes means accepting mistakes;<br />
To enforce Order ensures future punishment.<br />
The people want Freedom, but at others' expense.<br />
The people want Order, but only to justify their actions.<br />
Therefore the wise spags disrupt Order,<br />
And organize Freedom, <br />
And freely create their illusions.<br />
<br />
=== Chapter 59 ===<br />
<br />
Status gives power, <br />
but power inhibits communication.<br />
Seek information from opposing sides.<br />
Listen to the will of the people,<br />
but also to the well-informed.<br />
Talk to people who disagree;<br />
Those who would undermine you<br />
are a part of what you do.<br />
<br />
Do not keep things concealed,<br />
and do never say,<br />
"Because I said so."<br />
The people may be foolish,<br />
but they are not fools.<br />
These are social laws of motion,<br />
the thermodynamics of balance.<br />
<br />
Eventually, those that try to impose Order<br />
become mired in disarray.<br />
Action creates resistance.<br />
It's not personal.<br />
It's hilarious.<br />
<br />
=== Chapter 60 ===<br />
<br />
A good leader is like an orchestra conductor.<br />
He is given a set of rules that the people should follow.<br />
By flapping his arms, he tries organize them.<br />
The more careful and precise he is,<br />
the more harmonious the performance.<br />
However, a good leader knows<br />
that it is the individual differences<br />
working together, yet independent,<br />
that create the rich texture.<br />
And so Order and Disorder combine<br />
to create beauty.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=1029Main Page2009-07-13T18:24:10Z<p>192.234.246.206: /* Active / Ongoing */</p>
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<div>[[image:SEA_GOD.png|450px|right]]<br />
<br />
<br />
<big>'''Cramulus' Sandbox Wiki'''</big><br />
<br />
This wiki is supposed to house Cramulus' various projects and ideas. It's a sort of workspace for all sorts of garbage. Don't take anything here as a finished product - likely it's all just the buzzing inside Cram's head. And the heads of people working on stuff here. Which makes it a kind of weird headspace. Webspace. whatever<br />
<br />
anyway, hello. Say Hi on the Discussion panel. If you're working on anything here with me, please make a login so I know who's changing what.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
== Active / Ongoing ==<br />
[[Etc Discordia]] - huge fucking book jesus god almost there<br />
<br />
[[Dialogue of Discordia]] - italian philosophy from 1551. needs translation.<br />
<br />
[[Sacred Chao Te Ching]] - Discordian version of the Tao Te Ching<br />
<br />
[[Tournament Game]] - a start-your-own tournament game involving live boffer combat<br />
<br />
[[Party Game]] - IRL parties connect over the interweb and compete for rank<br />
<br />
[[Omnomnomicon]] [NAME PENDING]- the Book of Dead Jokes - Discordianized version of the Necronomicon<br />
<br />
== Finished Stuff ==<br />
[[Creative Portfolio]] - workshop for my creative portfolio, which will get me hired by '''fabulous tycoons'''.<br />
<br />
[[Cramble]] - an RFID game for conferences and conventions<br />
<br />
[[Weirdness in the Strange Times]] - column for Intermittens 3<br />
<br />
[[Hodgehogs]] - Piece for the DISCORDIA PROPHETICA<br />
<br />
[[Exercises to Mindfuck Yourself]] - article for IM<br />
<br />
[[Very Short Stories]] - article for IM<br />
<br />
[[Callahan Crosstime Saloon]] - awful awful jokes for IM<br />
<br />
[[Discordia]] - scribblings<br />
<br />
<br />
== Misc Refuse ==<br />
[[Pr0sterGASM]] - augmented mission for postergasm intending to increase its viral potential<br />
<br />
[[spag-o-tron]] - robot to generate asinine blog comments<br />
<br />
[[Name Placeholder]] - game Cram was brainstorming<br />
<br />
[[Argonauts]] - another name placeholder - a Discordian ARG - work in progress elsewhere, this part is probably unupdated</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=1028Main Page2009-07-13T18:21:36Z<p>192.234.246.206: /* Active / Ongoing */</p>
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<div>[[image:SEA_GOD.png|450px|right]]<br />
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<br />
<big>'''Cramulus' Sandbox Wiki'''</big><br />
<br />
This wiki is supposed to house Cramulus' various projects and ideas. It's a sort of workspace for all sorts of garbage. Don't take anything here as a finished product - likely it's all just the buzzing inside Cram's head. And the heads of people working on stuff here. Which makes it a kind of weird headspace. Webspace. whatever<br />
<br />
anyway, hello. Say Hi on the Discussion panel. If you're working on anything here with me, please make a login so I know who's changing what.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
== Active / Ongoing ==<br />
[[Etc Discordia]] - huge fucking book jesus god almost there<br />
<br />
[[Dialogue of Discordia]] - italian philosophy from 1551. needs translation.<br />
<br />
[[Sacred Chao Te Ching]] - Discordian version of the Tao Te Ching<br />
<br />
[[Tournament Game]] - a start-your-own tournament game involving live boffer combat<br />
<br />
[[Party Game]] - IRL parties connect over the interweb and compete for rank<br />
<br />
[[Discordanomicon]] - the Book of Dead Jokes - Discordianized version of the Necronomicon<br />
<br />
== Finished Stuff ==<br />
[[Creative Portfolio]] - workshop for my creative portfolio, which will get me hired by '''fabulous tycoons'''.<br />
<br />
[[Cramble]] - an RFID game for conferences and conventions<br />
<br />
[[Weirdness in the Strange Times]] - column for Intermittens 3<br />
<br />
[[Hodgehogs]] - Piece for the DISCORDIA PROPHETICA<br />
<br />
[[Exercises to Mindfuck Yourself]] - article for IM<br />
<br />
[[Very Short Stories]] - article for IM<br />
<br />
[[Callahan Crosstime Saloon]] - awful awful jokes for IM<br />
<br />
[[Discordia]] - scribblings<br />
<br />
<br />
== Misc Refuse ==<br />
[[Pr0sterGASM]] - augmented mission for postergasm intending to increase its viral potential<br />
<br />
[[spag-o-tron]] - robot to generate asinine blog comments<br />
<br />
[[Name Placeholder]] - game Cram was brainstorming<br />
<br />
[[Argonauts]] - another name placeholder - a Discordian ARG - work in progress elsewhere, this part is probably unupdated</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Sacred_Chao_Te_Ching&diff=853Sacred Chao Te Ching2009-05-13T15:52:45Z<p>192.234.246.206: /* Project Overview */</p>
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== Project Overview ==<br />
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This project is an attempt to re-translate the Tao Te Ching with a zenarchist/discordian bent. Anyone that enjoys this stuff is welcome to help. In the end, it'll be published as a Kopyleft PDF.<br />
<br />
Here's how it'll work. Grab a chapter of the Tao Te Ching. If you don't speak chinese (hah!), lift a translation from the web somewhere. Underneath the translation, write your own version of that chapter. <br />
<br />
Since this is a wiki, we can all edit each others text until it WORKS.<br />
<br />
We'll experiment with a tone until we find the right one. For now, be irreverant, mysterious, wise, or silly. Keep it dense, the Tao Te Ching is a simple book that doesn't need too much explaining. Our translation should be minimalistic. Also, brevity is the soul of wit. :-)<br />
<br />
[[CTC License]] - just in case we need it<br />
<br />
[[Chao Bin]] - contains "to do" notes, and misc bits we haven't placed yet<br />
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== Sacred Chao Te Ching ==<br />
<br />
[[Chapters 1-10]]<br />
<br />
[[Chapters 11-20]]<br />
<br />
[[Chapters 21-30]]<br />
<br />
[[Chapters 31-40]]<br />
<br />
[[Chapters 41-50]]<br />
<br />
[[Chapters 51-60]]<br />
<br />
[[Chapters 61-70]]<br />
<br />
[[Chapters 71-81]]<br />
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=== Background Reading Material ===<br />
<br />
<br />
'''Zenarchy:''' http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/zenarchy.html<br />
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<br />
'''Tip:''' Translators have interpreted the vague chinese scrawlings in different ways. Use multiple translations of the Tao Te Ching to ensure you've got the spirit of the chapter. We don't want to be too loyal to one specific translation...<br />
*'''A translation of the Tao Te Ching:''' http://home.pages.at/onkellotus/TTK/English_Beck_TTK.html#Kap01 (C)?<br />
*'''Another Translation''': http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/taote.htm<br />
*'''Stuck on a chapter?''' Comprehensive line by line comparisons of different translations: http://www.wayist.org/ttc%20compared/<br />
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<br />
'''Lysergic's Zenarchy Unmanifesto'''<br />
<br />
zenarchy is what you think it is<br />
<br />
or this<br />
<br />
I come from the void to be thrown into this ocean of chaos, <br />
to dance and sing, love and hate, to journey and explore, laugh and cry & to rest + die.<br />
I do not know what is right or what is wrong, but I know what hurts.<br />
I know there is no one who truly understands the universe better then I, <br />
and I know I know so very little.<br />
The authorities are so very sure, and I am so very confused, <br />
yet I smile contently while they are grey-faced.<br />
The religious tell me that I am a sinner, <br />
I tell them if that is true, then I blame god.<br />
The government has lied, cheated and stolen unto me, <br />
and so I do unto others what has been done to me.<br />
I am a zenarchist, looking for other zenarchists, are you one?<br />
If you are unsure, you probably are.<br />
I wouldn't know a zenarchist if I were staring at one in the mirror.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=To_Do&diff=641To Do2009-04-08T14:13:38Z<p>192.234.246.206: added link to outro</p>
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<div>Here's the master list of To-Do stuff. Please check off items as they are completed. <br />
<br />
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== Cramulus ==<br />
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* Finish writing Introduction<br />
* Write Copyright page - what belongs here???<br />
* Write [[Outroduction]]<br />
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<br />
== Net ==<br />
<br />
*Identify which pages Zarathud should be on. (I'm guessing about five-seven pages?) Let 000 know so he can draw up the little bastard. I've added a To-Do list for him below, just append it on there. Can you guys conference about the zarathud stuff?<br />
--I'd prefer 000 to identify pages that he'd like to attack. [[User:Netaungrot|Net]] 08:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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* '''Page 9:''' change title "TAZ has ugly retarded cousin" to "The TAZ has an Ugly, Retarded Cousin"<br />
* P3nt has requested that the poem "Me and My Girl" be credited to P3nt4gr4m rather than Sillycybin.<br />
* '''Page 00027''': In the piece "Welcome to the Prison", make sure first line is broken so that principiadiscordia.com is on its own line<br />
* '''Page 00045''': In LHX's piece "Pipe Bombs", expand m-w.com to merriam-webster.com. <br />
* '''Page 00049''': Liber Fru Fru - needs spellcheck<br />
* '''Page 00055''': Title "Tips on Launching a Golden Apple Seed Mission" should be "Tips For Launching..." (replace On with For)<br />
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<br />
<br />
'''Add the following pieces:'''<br />
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* [[Introduction to the book]] - by Cram - NOT FINISHED YET, DO NOT ADD<br />
* [[Discordia2008]] - discussion on why Discordia is relevant in the year 2009. Note that heading should be 2009, despite page name.<br />
* [[BurroughsAOMCutup1]] - cutup of Burroughs and AOM piece. <br />
* [[Kopyleft_page]] - lifted from Syn. Goes on the Kopyleft page. <br />
* [[Discordians in History]] - Net and Cram discussed this in Portland - formatting this section as if it's a history text book. <br />
Net, if you're still feeling up to some creative formatting, I can send you a scan of a textbook page for reference. <br />
<br />
<br />
'''Nitpicky End-Game Stuff'''<br />
<br />
This is a list for little shit that Net said he'd save for the end. We don't want to drive him crazy with minor formatting bullshit, so this stuff will be saved until the last minute.<br />
<br />
Edits have been made, so re-grab text for the following pieces:<br />
* Strange Times<br />
* Bare Minimum BIP<br />
* Dream Jam<br />
* Shrapnel Project<br />
* Pipe Bombs<br />
* Thoughts on Shrapnel<br />
* OMGASM Description 2<br />
* The Great Pope Joan<br />
* Followup to Go Mindfuck Yourself<br />
<br />
== Triple Zero ==<br />
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* Draw zarathud making construction edits. Scan drawings. Clean 'em up. Pass to Net.<br />
**Need illustrations for: "The Book of Dewlap", "Street Time", "Myspace Monkeys" (maybe bottom of p62)<br />
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== General: Graphics Changes ==<br />
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This is a list of graphics that need swapping. I (Cramulus) will do my best to image hunt for replacements.<br />
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* [N] - sometime after the Shrapnel piece, add this graphic: http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4600/ftshs5.jpg<br />
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'''Graphics which (I think) are not yet in use:'''<br />
<p>(not necessary to put them in, but helpful if we need to substitute something)<br />
* http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/bert.gif <br />
* http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn32/gundamagriculture/misc/do-not-read-this-sign-1.png</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Etc_Discordia&diff=620Etc Discordia2009-03-31T13:51:43Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: Here are the current pages related to the Etc. Discordia. To Do Endgame Discussion - for internal discussion following the seventh draft ---- Titles [[Book Table of Conte...</p>
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[[To Do]]<br />
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[[Endgame Discussion]] - for internal discussion following the seventh draft<br />
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[[Titles]]<br />
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[[Book Table of Contents]]<br />
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[[Possible/impossible Covers]]<br />
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[[Layout]]<br />
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[[Reviews]]</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=619Main Page2009-03-31T13:51:19Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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<big>'''Cramulus' Sandbox Wiki'''</big><br />
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This wiki is supposed to house Cramulus' various projects and ideas. It's a sort of workspace for all sorts of garbage.<br />
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== Misc. Stuff ==<br />
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[[Etc Discordia]] - huge fucking book<br />
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[[Creative Portfolio]] - workshop for my creative portfolio, which will get me hired by '''fabulous tycoons'''.<br />
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[[Pr0sterGASM]] - augmented mission for postergasm intending to increase its viral potential<br />
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[[spag-o-tron]] - robot to generate asinine blog comments<br />
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[[Cramble]] - an RFID game for conferences and conventions<br />
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[[Name Placeholder]] - game Cram was brainstorming<br />
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[[Argonauts]] - a Discordian ARG - work in progress<br />
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[[Sacred Chao Te Ching]] - Discordian retranslation of the Tao Te Ching<br />
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[[Weirdness in the Strange Times]] - column I'm writing for Intermittens 3<br />
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[[Dialogue of Discordia]] - italian philosophy from 1551. needs translation.<br />
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[[Hodgeonauts]] - Hodge it up, bitches.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Weirdness_in_the_Strange_Times&diff=572Weirdness in the Strange Times2008-12-22T15:51:33Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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<div>[b]Weirdness in the Strange Times[/b]<br />
<br />
Ironically, there's no weirdness left in the Strange Times. It all disappeared when it became commonplace. So many people are defining their own norms that there is no abnormal anymore. We're eclectically ecstatic, subculturally pragmatic. <br />
<br />
<br />
Culture is additive, it keeps building on itself. 370 movies were released in the year 1995. By 2005, they were making 549 movies per year. By 2015 we'll be [i]drowning[/i] in cultural reference points. Kids growing up today have a lot more varied experience than those who grew up 50 years ago. I grew up in the 80s and my childhood mythology was filled with robots and cowboys, lasers and swords. In some ways it was a synthesis of everything that had happened in culture up to that point. This Saturday, the cartoons have built on 1980s cartoons but add their own flavor to the creative melting pot. In your mythology are robots good guys or bad guys? It largely has to do with the accidental intersections of culture and upbringing. Everybody gets imprinted differently -- increasingly differently as the decades march on.<br />
<br />
<br />
So if we want to find the Weirdness in the year 2008, we just have to look around. Pick out some random pedestrian and I guarentee he has talents and tastes and interests which are vastly different from yours. There is a fractillian chasm between you and even your closest of friends. How can you judge me weird for obsessively collecting boxes full of hundreds of the "do not eat" silica packets that come with new shoes, when ''you'' haven't missed a women's basketball game in ten years? And you think ''I'm'' weird? It's a wonder we can even communicate. <br />
<br />
<br />
People seek out others with their particular quirks and interests. And when a group of people get together, their cause becomes "legitimate", it becomes "real". These groups attract newbies, they become a location for discourse about these topics, and their very existence perpetuates itself. This is the Strange Times and no niche is too weird to acquire a cult of fanatics. That's why there's a "Furries vs Klingons" bowling tournament in Atlanta. That's why even conspiracy nuts have their own subsects of horrormirth</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Spag-o-tron&diff=562Spag-o-tron2008-12-18T20:19:25Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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"This is just typical",<br />
"Oh here we go again",<br />
"this post will probably be deleted. ",<br />
"I think we all know whats going on here. ",<br />
"I read about this in the Daily Mail",<br />
"Typical Neocon arrogance",<br />
"Oh god not this again.",<br />
"Mark my words.",<br />
"I can't believe where this country is headed.",<br />
"Gordon brown still it at i see",<br />
"No!!..",<br />
"Stupid question",<br />
"Is this what Fox's budget gets spent on??",<br />
"Unbelievable, media left-leaning bias again.",<br />
"This just shows us Fox's real agenda.",<br />
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"Oh look",<br />
"I am very angry about this.",<br />
"publish this if you dare",<br />
"Lies damn lies and stistics!",<br />
"FYI",<br />
"First things first",<br />
"This tired old question again",<br />
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"I don't believe the responses on here..",<br />
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"It makes me sick",<br />
"Sad but true",<br />
"Its simple",<br />
"Another example of conservitard pack mentality!",<br />
"Question",<br />
"Let's see now",<br />
"Hear me out",<br />
"Typical",<br />
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"IMO",<br />
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"I'm not being racist but",<br />
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"namby pamby environmentalists are",<br />
"the disrespectful youth of today is",<br />
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"drug scum are",<br />
"sandal-wearing liberals are",<br />
"the bastions of political correctness are",<br />
"Dick Cheney is",<br />
"those morons in the government are",<br />
"every single prisoner in the United States is",<br />
"so-called celebrities are",<br />
"the French are",<br />
"all parties except the GOP are",<br />
"Homosexuals are",<br />
"las vegas gangs are",<br />
"women are",<br />
"single mothers are",<br />
"kids today are",<br />
"the Mid East is",<br />
"The Gaza Strip is",<br />
"Times readers are",<br />
"Daily Mail readers are",<br />
"non-taxpayers are",<br />
"pathetic liberal institutions are",<br />
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"miseducating our kids",<br />
"moaning about \"human rights\" again",<br />
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"going to put us all in Death Camps",<br />
"putting flouride in our drinking water",<br />
"lecturing us about our \"rights\"",<br />
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"getting tax-payers money",<br />
"dumbing us down",<br />
"being run by communists",<br />
"promoting drug culture",<br />
"trying to 'save the world' again",<br />
"sponging off the taxpayer",<br />
"allowing us to be swamped",<br />
"telling us what to do",<br />
"sexualizing our children",<br />
"selling us short",<br />
"raising gas prices",<br />
"denying our freedoms",<br />
"introducing more stealth taxes",<br />
"opening our borders",<br />
"overrunning the real americans",<br />
"ruining A",<br />
"helping their scottish comrades",<br />
"playing the race card",<br />
"peddling their lies",<br />
"getting rich off the hard working population",<br />
"selling America to the Chinese",<br />
"meddling in our lives",<br />
"trying to tax us again",<br />
"hugging hoodies",<br />
"always complaining",<br />
"getting away with murder",<br />
"running scared",<br />
"too pussy",<br />
"terrorising our streets",<br />
"trying to control our lives",<br />
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"helping al-qaeda",<br />
"preaching hate",<br />
"building mosks on every corner",<br />
"banning religion",<br />
"making it illegal to be patriotic",<br />
"recruiting criminals into the police force",<br />
"creating muslim no-go areas",<br />
"islamifying america",<br />
"using kid-gloves",<br />
"interfering in our lives again",<br />
"betraying our freedoms",<br />
"giving preference to asylum seekers",<br />
"using history to criticise the pope",<br />
"inviting in paedophiles and AIDs",<br />
"pandering to ethnics and gays",<br />
"getting away with murder",<br />
"getting away scott free",<br />
"giving way to multiculturalism",<br />
"preaching hate",<br />
"promoting bad values",<br />
"promoting liberal elitism",<br />
"welcoming criminals with open arms",<br />
"promoting teenage pregnancy",<br />
"making our streets unsafe",<br />
"turning america into americastan",<br />
"turning prison into a holidaycamp",<br />
"pandering to minorities",<br />
"selling us down the river",<br />
"just helping their cronies",<br />
"lining their pockets",<br />
"ignoring the silent majority",<br />
"giving priority to immigrants",<br />
"too 'softly softly'",<br />
"taxing us",<br />
"giving away are rights to health tourists",<br />
"making England a Muslim State",<br />
"getting freebies",<br />
"stealing my cartax",<br />
"islamifying the countryside",<br />
"using my wheelie bin",<br />
"giving money to their cronies",<br />
"trying to kill us all",<br />
"selling us out",<br />
"trying to bring in legislation to allow gays to get married",<br />
"destroying our heritage",<br />
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"it's politically correct",<br />
"the country is full.",<br />
"they are foreign and it's what they do",<br />
"they have been incompetent since day 1",<br />
"of terrorists",<br />
"they are barely human",<br />
"of neocon incompetence",<br />
"of their so-called 'human rights'",<br />
"they've allowed terrorism to go unchecked.",<br />
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"they want to destroy us from within!",<br />
"our culture has been emasculated",<br />
"our country is full already",<br />
"they are pandering to foreign interests",<br />
"they are trying to destroy us",<br />
"the EU now controls this country",<br />
"they are building an EU superstate",<br />
"they have given away our sovriegnty",<br />
"they are trying to cover up their mistakes",<br />
"this country is no longer ours",<br />
"america is no longer great",<br />
"they government is lying to us",<br />
"they are socialists",<br />
"they are anti-american",<br />
"they are communists in disguise",<br />
"they hate our freedoms",<br />
"Gordon is too busy lining his pockets",<br />
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"they're ruining america",<br />
"I am now ashamed of america",<br />
"the newspeak mafia is running the country",<br />
"muslims are running the show",<br />
"america is now under sharia law",<br />
"they want to breed a hybrid fetus",<br />
"they want to destroy the world",<br />
"they are clinically insane",<br />
"nobody has the guts to stand up to them",<br />
"people are too scared to stop them",<br />
"they are sick",<br />
"they are traitors"<br />
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"It is vital that we",<br />
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"Time to act: ",<br />
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"End this madness now, ",<br />
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"A wise man once said",<br />
"Mark my words",<br />
"It's time we",<br />
"when will Bush",<br />
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"Wake up people!",<br />
"Simple answer: ",<br />
"All true americans should",<br />
"[number] words:"<br />
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"bring back flogging and the death penalty i say",<br />
"clip their greencard, thatll teach em",<br />
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"get out of the USA and let us have our country back!!",<br />
"build more prisons, lock em up and throw away the key",<br />
"bring back the death penalty",<br />
"send them packing",<br />
"bring back McCarthy",<br />
"bring back the War on Drugs<br />
"send them to Iraq",<br />
"bring back Hitler",<br />
"bring back JFK",<br />
"bring back Bubba Clinton",<br />
"bring back gas tax",<br />
"string them all up",<br />
"abolish tax",<br />
"burn them alive",<br />
"get rid of them",<br />
"put them in solitary for the next 100 years",<br />
"run them out of the country",<br />
"sterolise them all",<br />
"get tough",<br />
"send them back where they came from",<br />
"riot in the streets",<br />
"rise up against them",<br />
"smash the system",<br />
"BAN immoral TV",<br />
"vote mccain",<br />
"go round their houses with a pair of pliers and a can of petrol",<br />
"let Newt sort it out",<br />
"call in the army now",<br />
"shoot on sight",<br />
"lock our kids away to save them",<br />
"shut up and obey orders, says the government",<br />
"round them all up and lock them away",<br />
"close the borders now",<br />
"elect Kilroy now",<br />
"make sure there are consequences",<br />
"have two strikes and you're out",<br />
"introduce zero tolerance",<br />
"promote marriage",<br />
"make sure everyone knows",<br />
"say enough is enough",<br />
"stand up and be counted",<br />
"ban them all",<br />
"have another war",<br />
"elect Ron Paul as vice president",<br />
"speak English",<br />
"impreach bush",<br />
"stop taking it lying down",<br />
"use napalm",<br />
"put them in loony bin",<br />
"leave the country.",<br />
"carpet bomb them flat",<br />
"put them in a rocket and fire them in to the sun",<br />
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);<br />
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"Next we'll have pedophiles teaching our kids to swim",<br />
"No doubt this is legal under the human rights act",<br />
"No doubt this is illegal under the eu human rights act",<br />
"Soon this country will be majority muslim with a mosk in every village!!!",<br />
"This is a Christian country we must all have christian values",<br />
"If you like it so much why dont you go live there",<br />
"Time to get neocons OUT!!!!",<br />
"Im voting Ron Paul in the next election, its the sensible choice",<br />
"It could only get worse if the mexicans start teaching our kids!!!",<br />
"never did me any harm",<br />
"Pathetic",<br />
"Simple",<br />
"Its disgusting",<br />
"Disgraceful",<br />
"It's all Cheney's fault",<br />
"LOL",<br />
"Sad but true",<br />
"GOP for America",<br />
"We need another war",<br />
"PS If you are offended by this then leave the country",<br />
"You couldn’t make it up",<br />
"IT IS HELL ON EARTH, PEOPLE!",<br />
"WHAT A SHAME!",<br />
"Its like a nightmare but real",<br />
"This sounds totally crazy, but it is sadly, probably true",<br />
"What ever happened to putting UK first?",<br />
"America is going to the dogs",<br />
"Reagan was murdered",<br />
"This is why I'm emigrating soon",<br />
"Best thing for them",<br />
"I’d leave if I had my own country to go back to",<br />
"It's that simple",<br />
"It's not rocket science",<br />
"America for Americans",<br />
"The last to leave, please turn out the light",<br />
"Shame on you media",<br />
"Cry ‘In God We Trust’",<br />
"AMERICA FIRST",<br />
"Need I say more",<br />
"If you disagree SHUT UP",<br />
"Is it a tune too familiar from our media?",<br />
"We need less emotion and more backbone in this country",<br />
"Next question.",<br />
"What about OUR rights?",<br />
"What a mess",<br />
"These are worrying times",<br />
"This is very disturbing to me",<br />
"Wake up, people",<br />
"Lies! Lies! Lies!",<br />
"This is probably the best solution all around",<br />
"Common sense AT LAST!",<br />
"Nothing will ever change",<br />
"This is communism folks!",<br />
"Honestly this country !",<br />
"Sick to the back teeth",<br />
"We are all being had here",<br />
"That would certainly cause a bit more care to be taken",<br />
"This morning at breakfast my son leaned over to me and in a hushed voice said \"Dad, we are still in America, aren’t we?\" No son, I said. Not any more",<br />
"I am furious about this",<br />
"This is a perfect idea",<br />
"It's political correctness gone mad",<br />
"Oh wait, but what about their 'human rights'",<br />
"What about my right not to be murdered?",<br />
"What about my right not to be killed every day?",<br />
"Oh wait, that would be too sensible",<br />
"Oh wait, that wouldn't be 'PC' enough",<br />
"This is never mentioned by the media",<br />
"what's it going to be - only you can choose",<br />
"Simple as",<br />
"Put that in your pipe and smoke it",<br />
"This worries me",<br />
"Next",<br />
"Next stop HELL ON EARTH",<br />
"Are you listening? Off course not",<br />
"Hell in a handbaskett",<br />
"What a load of rot",<br />
"Next stop CHAOS",<br />
"Next stop WAR",<br />
"You heard it here first",<br />
"What would Lennon say?",<br />
"It's time to revolt people",<br />
"WHos fault is that?",<br />
"Lets do what the french do and all strike",<br />
"Mrs Thatcher must be spinning in her grave",<br />
"What next? Encourage single-parenting? Oops. They do it already",<br />
"What next? Shitting on the Constitution? Oops. They do it already",<br />
"What next? Imprisoning innocents? Oops. They do it already",<br />
"What next? Banning Religion? Oops. They do it already",<br />
"What next? A Muslim in the White house?",<br />
"What next? Giving benefits out to criminals? Oops. They do it already",<br />
"What happened to America?",<br />
"No joke",<br />
"FACT!",<br />
"What a tragedy",<br />
"This is Communism folks...",<br />
"This is america... Lets show it...",<br />
"Publish this one if you dare",<br />
"What do you think?",<br />
"I am now repudiating liberalism as I see it as deeply harmful to society",<br />
"This is just the first of many FACTS that the woolly-left have been ignoring for many years now",<br />
"It is only a matter of time before race riots spill blood on our streets",<br />
"Why did nobody listen to McCarthy all those years ago?",<br />
":)",<br />
"Will sex with animals be legal next?",<br />
"Will sex with children be legal next?"<br />
);<br />
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"!!",<br />
"!!!",<br />
"!!!",<br />
"!!!!!",<br />
"!?!",<br />
"!??"<br />
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"Liberal_lefty_bias",<br />
"Common sence",<br />
"going_to_the_dogs",<br />
"[Its_an_Outrage]",<br />
"My country is being betrayed",<br />
"Whydo Webother",<br />
"Totally Disgruntled",<br />
"UK stinks",<br />
"DISGUSTED",<br />
"Captain Sensible", <br />
"British Bulldog", <br />
"cyclops", <br />
"What_happened_to_my_country",<br />
"BNP for UK",<br />
"Smart_Guy",<br />
"Voice of Reason",<br />
"[Storm_Saxon]",<br />
"Mad as hell at PC Goons",<br />
"Sick of Labour",<br />
"[Saint George]",<br />
"[True Patriot]",<br />
"Lord Nelson",<br />
"ShutupFrance",<br />
"EU_bunglers_are_ruining_UK",<br />
"Immigrants Out Of England",<br />
"Mr angry",<br />
"Libby Lefty Nutcase",<br />
"Decent Chap",<br />
"Appalled_UK",<br />
"Zionist Elite Run UKKK",<br />
"English and Proud",<br />
"Tired Of PC loonies",<br />
"Sensible Bloke",<br />
"ex-Squaddie",<br />
"Shameful_UK",<br />
"Beer Drinker", <br />
"BNP_RULES",<br />
"English_forever",<br />
"Winston Churchill",<br />
"SonOfChurchill",<br />
"Working Class Tax Payer",<br />
"Tony Bliar",<br />
"[UnionJackForever]",<br />
"Gordon Clown Out Now",<br />
"Persecuted_in_his_own_country",<br />
"[Handsome Bloke]",<br />
"Fighting for My Rights",<br />
"[Lionheart111]",<br />
"True_Brit"<br />
);<br />
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"Memphis",<br />
"Blighty",<br />
"America",<br />
"AMERICAN AND PROUD",<br />
"timbuktu",<br />
"WASHINGTON",<br />
"America for Americans",<br />
"The Real World",<br />
"Big Brother Government",<br />
"In the Know",<br />
);<br />
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var a = Math.floor(Math.random()*opening1.length);<br />
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var c = Math.floor(Math.random()*hated_object.length);<br />
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var e = Math.floor(Math.random()*because.length);<br />
var f = Math.floor(Math.random()*imperative.length);<br />
var g = Math.floor(Math.random()*moronic_solution.length);<br />
var h = Math.floor(Math.random()*signoff.length);<br />
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var authorloc_random = Math.floor(Math.random()*authorloc.length);<br />
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a = Math.floor(Math.random()*opening1.length);<br />
b = Math.floor(Math.random()*opening2.length);<br />
c = Math.floor(Math.random()*hated_object.length);<br />
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g = Math.floor(Math.random()*moronic_solution.length);<br />
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i = Math.floor(Math.random()*end_punctuation.length);<br />
author_random = Math.floor(Math.random()*author.length);<br />
authorloc_random = Math.floor(Math.random()*authorloc.length);<br />
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punc = get_punctuation();<br />
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var mystring = opening2[b] + " " + hated_object[c] + " " + terrible_thing[d];<br />
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if (Math.random()>.5) {<br />
mystring += " because " + because[e];<br />
}<br />
mystring += punc + imperative[f] + " " + moronic_solution[g] + punc;<br />
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mystring=mystring.replace(/\[number\]/, count_words(moronic_solution[g]));<br />
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if (Math.random()>.2) {<br />
mystring += signoff[h] + end_punctuation[i];<br />
}<br />
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if (Math.random()>.3) {<br />
mystring = opening1[a] + punc + mystring;<br />
}<br />
else {<br />
mystring = mystring.substring(0,1).toUpperCase() + mystring.substring(1,mystring.length);<br />
}<br />
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//Moronicise - The following code messes up the spelling and punctuation<br />
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if (Math.random()>.4) {<br />
//Remove all commas and apostrophes<br />
mystring=mystring.replace(/\,/, "");<br />
mystring=mystring.replace(/\'/, "");<br />
}<br />
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if (Math.random()>.6) {<br />
//All periods become exclamation marks<br />
mystring=mystring.replace(/\./, "!");<br />
}<br />
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if (Math.random()>.85) {<br />
//Lowercase everything<br />
mystring=mystring.toLowerCase();<br />
}<br />
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if (Math.random()>.85) {<br />
//Remove all punctuation<br />
mystring=mystring.replace(/\,/g, " ");<br />
mystring=mystring.replace(/\'/g, " ");<br />
mystring=mystring.replace(/\./g, " ");<br />
mystring=mystring.replace(/\!/g, " ");<br />
mystring=mystring.replace(/\?/g, " ");<br />
//And lowercase everything<br />
mystring=mystring.toLowerCase();<br />
}<br />
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if (Math.random()>.8) {<br />
//Capitalise everything<br />
mystring=mystring.toUpperCase();<br />
}<br />
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//Delete random letters<br />
var letters_to_lose=Math.random();<br />
letters_to_lose=Math.pow(letters_to_lose,2.6);<br />
letters_to_lose=Math.round(letters_to_lose*4-.5);<br />
var j;<br />
for (j=0;j<letters_to_lose;j++) {<br />
var random_letter = Math.round(Math.random()*mystring.length-.5);<br />
mystring=mystring.substring(0,random_letter)+mystring.substring(random_letter+1)<br />
}<br />
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//Transpose random letters<br />
var letters_to_lose=Math.random();<br />
letters_to_lose=Math.pow(letters_to_lose,2.57);<br />
letters_to_lose=Math.round(letters_to_lose*4-.5);<br />
var j;<br />
for (j=0;j<letters_to_lose;j++) {<br />
var random_letter = " ";<br />
while (random_letter == " ") {<br />
random_letter = Math.round(Math.random()*(mystring.length-3)-.5+2);<br />
}<br />
mystring=mystring.substring(0,random_letter-1)+mystring.substring(random_letter,random_letter+1)+<br />
mystring.substring(random_letter-1,random_letter)+mystring.substring(random_letter+1);<br />
}<br />
<br />
return (mystring);<br />
}<br />
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function rand_author() {<br />
return author[author_random];<br />
}<br />
<br />
function rand_loc() {<br />
return authorloc[authorloc_random];<br />
}<br />
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//Gets the current date<br />
function current_date() {<br />
var currentTime = new Date();<br />
var month = currentTime.getMonth();<br />
var day_of_week = currentTime.getDay();<br />
var day = currentTime.getDate();<br />
var year = currentTime.getFullYear();<br />
var hour = currentTime.getHours();<br />
var minute = currentTime.getMinutes();<br />
var day_list = new Array("Monday","Tuesday","Wednesday","Thursday","Friday","Saturday","Sunday")<br />
var month_list = new Array("January","February","March","April","May","June","July","August","September","October","November","December") <br />
document.write("Added: " + day_list[day_of_week-1] + ", " + day + " " + month_list[month] + ", " + year + ", " + hour + ":" + minute + " GMT");<br />
}<br />
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//Function to count the words for when the HYS uses [number] words as in "Three words: string them up". It always counts the number of words wrongly.<br />
function count_words(n) {<br />
var x = n.split(" ").length<br />
x += Math.pow(-1,Math.round(Math.random()*2-.5))<br />
if (x<2) {x+=2}<br />
var number_list = new Array("zero","one","two","three","four","five","six",<br />
"seven","eight","nine","ten","eleven","twelve","thirteen","fourteen")<br />
if (x>=number_list.length) {<br />
return x<br />
}<br />
else {<br />
return number_list[x].substring(0,1).toUpperCase() + number_list[x].substring(1,number_list[x].length)<br />
}<br />
}<br />
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var r = Math.random()*20;<br />
<br />
if(r < 15)<br />
return ". ";<br />
<br />
if(r < 17)<br />
return ", ";<br />
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return "... ";<br />
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== Zipplebot ==<br />
<br />
#! /usr/bin/env python<br />
<br />
import sys<br />
import socket<br />
import string<br />
from time import time, strftime<br />
from random import shuffle, randint, choice<br />
from heapq import heappush, heappop, heapify<br />
<br />
print ' ZIPPLEBOT'<br />
print ' ---------------'<br />
<br />
HOST = 'irc.maddshark.com' # 'irc.krey.net'<br />
PORT = 6667<br />
NICK = 'Zipplebot'<br />
IDENT = 'Zip'<br />
REALNAME = 'Zipplebot Dutchcode'<br />
CHANNEL = '#discord'<br />
<br />
DEBUG = (len(sys.argv) > 1 and sys.argv[1] == 'DEBUG')<br />
<br />
def timestamp():<br />
return strftime('[%d/%m,%H:%M]')<br />
<br />
talk_queue = []<br />
def say(text, delay=0, recipient=False):<br />
heappush(talk_queue, (time() + delay, recipient or CHANNEL, text))<br />
<br />
s = socket.socket()<br />
s.settimeout(1.0)<br />
s.connect((HOST, PORT))<br />
<br />
readbuffer = ''<br />
running = True<br />
logged_on = False<br />
in_channel = False<br />
<br />
print '%s ---- connecting to %s as %s' % (timestamp(), HOST, NICK)<br />
s.send('NICK %s\r\n' % NICK)<br />
s.send('USER %s %s Blah :%s\r\n' % (IDENT, HOST, REALNAME))<br />
<br />
while running:<br />
try:<br />
readbuffer = readbuffer + s.recv(1024)<br />
except socket.timeout:<br />
readbuffer = '';<br />
<br />
temp = string.split(readbuffer, '\n')<br />
readbuffer = temp.pop()<br />
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for line in temp:<br />
line = string.rstrip(line)<br />
line = string.split(line)<br />
<br />
if line[0].startswith(':'):<br />
prefix = line.pop(0)<br />
<br />
command = line.pop(0)<br />
params = line <br />
<br />
if DEBUG:<br />
print '%s {%s} %s %s' % (timestamp(), prefix, command, params)<br />
<br />
if command == 'PING':<br />
if DEBUG:<br />
print '%s ---> PONG' % timestamp()<br />
s.send('PONG %s\r\n' % params[0])<br />
<br />
elif command == '001': # i suppose this is the welcome message<br />
print '%s -- connected.' % timestamp()<br />
logged_on = True<br />
print '%s -- joining channel %s.' % (timestamp(), CHANNEL)<br />
s.send('JOIN %s\r\n' % CHANNEL)<br />
<br />
elif command == '353' and params[2] == CHANNEL: #RPL_NAMREPLY<br />
print '%s -- joined channel %s.' % (timestamp(), CHANNEL)<br />
in_channel = True<br />
<br />
say('Hello I am %s. I will not kill you.' % NICK.title());<br />
say('Cold in here, isn\'t it?', delay=20)<br />
<br />
elif command == 'PRIVMSG' and params[0] == CHANNEL:<br />
# react to chatter here<br />
text = ' '.join(params[1:])[1:]<br />
print '%s %s' % (timestamp(), text)<br />
<br />
if text.lower().startswith(NICK.lower()):<br />
# trying to get my attention<br />
text = text[len(NICK):].lstrip(':, .>?!-')<br />
if text.lower().startswith('define'):<br />
# i'm asked to define something<br />
say(choice(['Fuck off.', 'Google is your friend. I\'M NOT.', 'STFU', 'Do I look like a fucking encyclopedia to you?', \<br />
'LALALALALALA I CAN\'T HEAR YOU!!!!! ... (fucker)', 'Do it yourself, moron.', 'NO, I WILL NOT. Now fuck off.']))<br />
elif ' or ' in text and text.endswith('?'):<br />
# "this or that or this" question is asked<br />
options = text.rstrip('?').split(' or ')<br />
shuffle(options)<br />
if options:<br />
say(options.pop().title() + '.')<br />
if options and randint(1, 8) == 1:<br />
say('No wait I changed my mind, it\'s %s.' % options.pop().lower(), randint(5, 20))<br />
if options and randint(1, 15) == 1:<br />
say('... wait wait wait I really meant to say %s, srsly.' % options.pop().lower(), randint(20, 60))<br />
<br />
if talk_queue and in_channel and logged_on:<br />
# manage talking queue<br />
(when, who, what) = talk_queue[0]<br />
if time() >= when:<br />
heappop(talk_queue)<br />
s.send('PRIVMSG %s :%s\r\n' % (who, what))</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Layout&diff=554Layout2008-12-12T20:47:15Z<p>192.234.246.206: /* 000 reviews Draft 8 */</p>
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<div>== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-70_v4.1.pdf 1st Draft of Etc. Discordia] ==<br />
<br />
Let me know what you think of the image quality if you print it out. Also note the printer model, or at least the kind of printer it is — copier, laser, inkjet...<br />
: I'll make a printout of it tomorrow at university, i'll let you know about the model.[[User:000|000]] 07:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Anything I'm missing? <br />
<br />
000, I tried incorporating the ampersand element, but it didn't look right... If you could supply a sketch or a detailed description as to how you were imagining it, then I'll play with it some more. Have you been able to find a CS version of InDesign yet?<br />
: I'll get it ASAP (that is, before thursday evening Amsterdam time, which is the first moment i'll have real time to play with this). my basic idea was just to take the ampersand glyph, make it light grey and place it behind the "Et" in the title. maybe make it real large or something, even half falling off the page. i dunno. i'll play with it.[[User:000|000]] 07:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I left out a few images that just didn't translate to black and white, but if you're particularly attached to one that's not there, I can give it another whirl.<br />
<br />
Also, I haven't incorporated the quotes to be sprinkled throughout, and have been scheming a much busier layout that I'll show you in a few days.<br />
<br />
=== Feedback from 000===<br />
<br />
# IT LOOKS AWESOME SLICK AS HELL (the frontpage) [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# Isn't the front page supposed to be in colour? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# you forgot the subtitle, "Et Cetera Discordia -- The Party at Limbo Peak". i was thinking, maybe just below the image ... except that ... the crossroads landscape is flat as a pancake LOL :) so that may not make a lot of sense hehehe. or does it perhaps make just enough nonsense to be funny? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# Actually, seeing this take form and the general style (the slanted round boxes really give me a sort of 50s feel about it, kind of fitting to the "Bob" imagery) kind of make me want to redo the drawing for the front image, i could also place the crossroads on top of a hill/mountain of course (which wouldnt make sense from a logistic point of view, but does as a metaphor) [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# I like the idea about including a teaser to entice latent-discordians to pick up and open the book. It should perhaps contain some specific keywords in the teaser. I know, in my pre-discordian days, I'd have opened any book mentioning "Chaos" on the cover, for instance. Maybe it should also mention that it's a collection of short writings? Because, knowing that it's not a long story, but a collection of short bits, would also make it more likely for me to randomly open te book and browse it a bit. [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# page 12: the BIP card. if it's a card suggesting it might be cut out, maybe not in the slanted rounded box? (even though i really, really like those boxes, so might as well keep it). Further, I think the text [dunno if you made it?] ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' can be altered drastically'' is a littlebit creepy/recruiting sounding, like an "improve your life!" ad. either go that way and make it really over the top or tone it down. a bit. How about ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' might be larger than you think'' or ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' can be upgraded with an interstellar spaceport and hi-tech robot sex slaves''. [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# ok, judging from the overall look of the book, i repeat, i love the slanted rounded boxes, but if it's going to be just like this, it's nice and consistent and the weird images can carry the weirdness of the book, but i think it needs at least one more stylistic element to make it interesting. it's kind of overall the same right now. these elements would probably be: Zarathud and short bits/memebombs/marginalia. The marginalia will work nicely, but I'm not entirely sure as of how to fit Zarathud into this clean layout? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Net 7/17 re: 000 ===<br />
<br />
# THANKS. :D<br />
# I don't know. I can work on a color version, but if someone else makes a cooler one, we could use that instead.<br />
# Maybe you could work in a tubes and truck joke? Subtitle absence has been noted.<br />
# Thanks. I encourage you to print it out for the full effect. Also, I'd be interested in seeing you develop the cover illustration. <br />
# Looks like Cram has addressed this below... Yeah, people like to know what frame of mind to get in when approaching reading materials. <br />
# Yes, I'll try a different frame style, maybe one with scissors and dotted lines. Good call. I didn't make it. We also don't need to include it, editorial discretion, etc, etc.<br />
# I was thinking that if we do end up peppering the book with Zarathud vandalism, that the sketchy style he's drawn in, and the fact that he's messing things up would juxtapose well against a clean, consistent layout. I was thinking of adding some other graphic elements that would help reference the internet and create interest. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 23:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Feedback from Cramulus ===<br />
<br />
some of my notes are specifically design/layout, but some are editorial. (I'll take care of those)<br />
<br />
<br />
# '''First off''', you're to be commended for the awesome job. It's really exciting to see this project come to life like this. It looks more tangible now than I had previously imagined. I hope you've been enjoying making this stuff as much as I have.<br />
# '''Overall art style:''' When I saw it on my screen, I didn't quite get it. Now that I'm looking at a printout, it makes perfect sense. The slanted rounded boxes look (to me) like TV screens. This fits with our discussion about having the overall style be a sort of collage - reminiscent of the old PD in that it juxtaposes varying bits of media, but wiht a more modern feel. It reminds me of channel surfing late at night and seeing all this weird stuff. Perfect with the theme of the Strange Times.<br />
# '''Fonts:''' I like the fonts. It may be due to low print quality, but in the copy in my hands they seem a bit thin. Could use a slightly bloder font. Overall however, it's very inviting and easy to read. <br />
# '''Page Size''' - is this okay for lulu.com? I suspect that the two-pages per page layout we have going right now will confuse our printer.<br />
# '''Cover:''' Add subtitle: "The Party at Limbo Peak". The "abstract" at the bottom below the byline, here are some suggestions:—"Explorations of chaos, stupidity, and infinity"—"New iterations of the Discordian fractal"—"Writings from the Discordian Cyberspace Masquerade"<br />
#'''Inside:''' Leave room for a copyright page. Syn has generated a few more cover pages, one of which I think would fit well as an inner title page. (the Principia has a few, right?) Insert some room for a Kopyleft page (text to come), and an introduction page (text to come)<br />
#'''Page 6:''' change to this image: http://www.mcs.csuhayward.edu/~malek/Surrealism/magritte2.jpg<br />
#'''Page 9:''' Perfect placement for the "bob" & Hardy picture.<br />
#'''Page 11:''' Introduction to the BIP... this seems very out of context as a second piece. I think the Bare Minimum BIP piece might actually serve as a better intro to the BIP, since the names and sequence of invention are kind of extraneous to the actual idea. Could we replace this piece with something lighter? Maybe the "TAZ has ugly, retarded cousin"? it's a ''little'' lighter :-P<br />
#'''Page 13:''' Expland first occurances of BIP to "Black Iron Prison". Expand SSOOKN to "Super Secret Order Of Kabbalistic Navigators". <br />
#'''Page 19:''' Replace references to America with something more vague. We're talking about Western Civilization.<br />
#'''Page 21:''' We've got too much vexati0n / war / america stuff packed right at the beginning. If we ditch this piece, I wouldn't shed a tear. I'm in love with the graphic on page 23 though.<br />
#'''Choose Your Own Adventure covers''': need to photoshop out the author / illustrator names. Add in names of Discordian saints.<br />
# '''Page 37''' Delete Bird Jams. Replace with the piece [http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Dream_Jam Dream Jams].<br />
#'''Page 43''' Reminder to self: pick out original posters from POSTERGASM and make into graphics like this one.<br />
#'''Page 53''' Change title to "Divine Madness"<br />
#'''Page 61''' Change title to "Once Upon a Pickle Pickle..."<br />
#'''Page 66''' Remove piece - it's now a part of "Dream Jam".<br />
#'''Also:''' The Parable of Steve is in there twice. <br />
Wow, 66 pages and we've still got a lot of material to go.<br />
<br />
=== Net 7/17 re: Cram ===<br />
<br />
# Thanks dude. I couldn't have done it without all the work you guys already put into it. And yes, I have been getting a kick out of it.<br />
# Huzzah! <br />
# Please to note your printer model or kind of printer (laser or inkjet).<br />
# I can export the file to PDF in a number of ways, such as "printer's spreads" where it's all interpolated for double sided printing. What you're looking at is a "reader spread."<br />
# Check. How about "Short Writings and Art from the Discordian Cyberspace Masquerade"<br />
# No problem. We probably should coordinate fonts when this gets a little more fleshed out.<br />
# Ok.<br />
# :D<br />
# I think you're right. Smaller, lighter pieces first, longer pieces in the middle. <br />
# Check.<br />
# Check. '''CORRECTION! THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE DUE TO THIS LINE:''' "While we herald the bravery of our men and women in uniform at the many fronts in the War on Terror, we have effectively given our President and the Congress a blank check to spend from our reserves of domestic freedom at their discretion." <br />
::* Try "we have effectively given our Leaders a blank check..." - I mean, they a war on terror in the UK too, right? I'm not actually sure how they refer to this debacle. Eh, one or two American references aren't bad. As long as we don't go overboard I don't think it'll be a problem. [[User:Cramulus|Cramulus]] 13:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::* Yes, switch "President" for "Leaders" and it's fine, we got enough "War on Terror" going on in Europe as well, even if it's not called "War on Terror" explicitly.<br />
# Yes. I'll ditch "Support the Troops" for now and reshuffle the image associated with it.<br />
# Ok. Suggestions, pls?<br />
# Check.<br />
# ?<br />
# Check.<br />
# Check.<br />
# Check.<br />
# Lol, good catch. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 23:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-76_v4.6.pdf 2nd Draft of Etc. Discordia] ==<br />
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I think we're coming into the home stretch ... <br />
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Page 19 needs some love. I still haven't worked in all the quotes we have planned and of course there is the title page, table of contents (and the bottom-of-the-page indexing), kopyleft and copyright page, intro, and adding some Discordian Saint names to the Choose UR pwn Adventures, but besides those I think it's almost there. <br />
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I have made changes in accordance to the critiques except as noted above. If you compare the text typeface weight, you'll notice it's a tiny bit thicker on this version, as per Cram's suggestion.<br />
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No issue is to minute to address at this stage, so if even the smallest thing is bugging you, please get it out into the open ASAP.<br />
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I love the FNORD HODGE and PODGE dingbats Syn and other's created. I'm going to massage at least one tube of it into the coarse hairs of the Etc. Discordia's white space. <br />
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Are we still all on board for Zarathud shenanigans? All I need is about a dozen ideas and I can start working them in. Note to self: (and anyone who procures InDesign CS in the near future) 1. Copy text. 2. Paste in new text box. 3. Create outlines 4. Change text body element to paper color. 5. Manipulate outlined text for profit !!!! [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 04:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Cram's Notes 7/22 ===<br />
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# Okay, '''Overall''' - looking good, still happy with all of this. <br />
# Bold text still seems difficult to distinguish from regular text. This doesn't come up often, but see the Pickle Pickle Parable.<br />
# There are a number of pieces which still aren't included. They include:<br />
:* Hearts & Minds<br />
:* the Shrapnel Theme stuff (recently updated by RWHN)<br />
:* Liber Fru Fru (let's just grab the internet bit which has been retyped)<br />
:* OMGASM description<br />
:* Stupid Content<br />
:* Finished Cutups (other than Dream Jam)<br />
:* Zen Koans<br />
:* Myspace Monkeys<br />
:* A lot of the Marginalia<br />
::Could you make more of the marginalia look handwritten, or set at an odd angle? I'd love to see it look like it had been scribbled on, sort of like the PD. So far most of the marginalia has been set upside down, which is fine, but MOAR! Don't be afraid to break some style rules with the marginalia, it should look cutup, collage, out of place, extraneous. Like some kid got ahold of the book and wrote notes in the margins before it got sent to the printer.<br />
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'''Specific page commentary'''<br />
# '''Front Cover''': 000's piece is really colorful. I also think (and I may be wrong here), that we can get a color cover on this thing. If so, we should really blow up that image. And being the cover, let's ditch the computerized vertical-line effect thing on it.<br />
# '''TOC''': Magritte painting should accompany The Strange Times, not hte TOC. The TOC text needs to be updated into an actual Table of Contents. Instead of the Magritte, let's put in one of the ads for the party, in the propaganda thread. Or even better: that sexy image that 000 shopped up which was the forum header image. (you know, the Mount Olympus Water Park one)<br />
# '''Page 3''' Needs byline "by Professor Cramulus"<br />
# '''Page 5''' What happened to the laurel & hardy "bob" pic?<br />
# '''Page 6''' I love the font for the CHAOS section. Can we get some more of the marginalia in that font? Looks like a typewriter.<br />
# '''Page 11''' I think we should ditch this piece. It's too bad, but it's not really relevant. I talked to RWHN about it, and he's cool with it.<br />
# '''Page 14''' Good pairing of image with text. This spread (p14-15) needs some text though, would be a good place for a koan or some more marginalia.<br />
# '''Page 16''' Being the first Cutup/Zarathud piece, we need some serious zarathud here. I wonder if there's a way to graphically demonstrate that he's taken two pieces and cut them up? 000?<br />
# '''Page 19''' Switch the image here (whatever it ends up being) with the image on page 16. I'll dig around some more for some wacky MS Paint collage<br />
# '''Page 20''' Either the quote or the credit should be in ital. Not sure which matches our style better.<br />
# '''Page 22''' Good pairing of image and text<br />
# '''Page 23''' Needs a pic of Enrico. Try this one: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/porlstephenson/News/Gaddafi_Tikaram.jpg or this one: http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/CARI.Gaddafi.gif<br />
# '''Page 24-25''' This spread has very little text on it. Needs more marginalia, koan, whatever<br />
# '''Page 31''' needs attribution "By Professor Cramulus". Also: I've decided this piece works better with "O:MF" written as "Mindfuck". So it should be "Go Mindfuck Yourself" at the beginning and in the ending bit.<br />
# '''Page 39''' needs attribution "By Professor Cramulus"<br />
# '''Page 43''' ...It might be cute to draw a correlary between the Etc. Discordia and the PD. Being that this is the only game in the whole book, (which I find odd, personally) this might be a good place to do it. http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/Sink.gif - that image is from the PD's game SINK... maybe add it here?<br />
# '''Page 45''' The weird text in the Channeled Messages "Y'H-SH'RP-E-DU-DUDU-DEDA-DADA" might work better in a different font.<br />
# '''Page 45''' Change the noodle party bumper sticker to this one: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/Fred08knifefight.jpg ... these ones might also work elsewhere: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/fred08craps.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/Fred08pizzadelivery.jpg <br />
# '''Page 63''' missing some italics. Should read "I do it for '''me'''. You're doing it ''like'' me." Also, the last line "Think For Yourself, Shmuck!" should be in italics.<br />
# '''Page 64-65''' Spread needs more images<br />
# '''Page 66''' Change "O:MF" to "Mindfuck"<br />
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'''Zarathud Ideas'''<br />
Here's some ideas for what Zarathud is doing as he makes his way through the book. Zarathud...<br />
# Kicks a line, moving it out of alignment<br />
# stands on a line, making it bow or sag in the middle<br />
# has a rope or chain attached to a line, and is dragging it over his shoulder, pulling the paragraph into the margin<br />
# has put tape over a word or two and has written in FNORD. Zarathud stands nearby, holding tape and a pen, admiring his work.<br />
# is surfing on some marginalia<br />
# is driving a crane, and has lifted a phrase right out of the text. The phrase is dangling at the end of the chain, above the paragraph.<br />
# tears out a little part of a page and puts it on the opposite spread. (maybe you can see the page behind it through the "hole"<br />
# has wrinkled up a page. Zarathud looks frustrated and stands at the footer with a lot of crumpled paper around him<br />
# crosses out a byline and writes in "BY ZARATHUD" in childlike lettering<br />
# has a firehat and firehose. The edges of the page appear to be badly burned.<br />
# is rubbing his belly as if he's full. There's a big bite mark missing from the corner of the page.<br />
# page 34-35 has several pictures of screaming people. Zarathud maybe should be holding his hands on his ears, as if he can actually hear the images screaming.<br />
# somewhere I'd really love to see Zarathud putting up a poster on a tree. The pic on the posters is one of 000's nonsensical little doodles, or a portrait of Zarathud or something.<br />
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=== Net - re: Cram's Notes 7/22 ===<br />
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Just a quick comment to say thanks for the excellent feedback, this very specific stuff is immensely helpful. I don't see anything I disagree with and will start making these changes today.<br />
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The one thing that may be an issue in technical terms is violating the margins on any of the pages besides the cover. This would prevent people from printing out the booklet by themselves since few printers can print very close to the edge of the paper. While this would be no problem for a commercial printer (who would most likely be cutting the pages from larger sheets) it would impinge on the DIY aspect. I like the ideas, and it seems like most of the ones in question can be adapted to fit within the margins.<br />
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— Net [[Special:Contributions/76.115.0.95|76.115.0.95]] 19:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Moar Cram Thoughts ===<br />
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We talked about putting the Saint's names on the Choose Your Own Adventure covers. The names are:<br />
# Chaos - Patron Apostle Hung Mung <br />
# Discord - Patron Apostle Dr. Van Van Mojo <br />
# Confusion - Patron Apostle Sri Syadasti <br />
# Bureaucracy - Patron Apostle Zarathud <br />
# The Aftermath - Patron Apostle The Elder Malaclypse<br />
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'''Second:''' I realized that the correct name for day of the week is Prickle-Prickle, not Pickle-Pickle. Please update title. Mybad!<br />
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'''Third''' Let's use the Official Discordian Document Numbering system, like the PD uses. So the page numbers would be listed in five-digit format "00001, 00002, 00003," etc<br />
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'''Fourth''' I wonder if we can set the BIP card like this page is set: http://principiadiscordia.com/book/45.php ?<br />
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'''Fifth''' Other images from the PD which I like - use these if we run out of marginalia art<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/ImmanentizeEschaton.gif<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/5Pentagon.gif<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/Squiggly.gif<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/BavarianIlluminati.gif<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/Tai.gif - this one should go on "Go Mindfuck Yourself"<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/KallistiApple.gif<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/AntiAristotelian.gif<br />
* http://pics.livejournal.com/drjon/pic/0005qpzg - not from the PD, but it's sweet<br />
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=== Net - re: Moar Cram ===<br />
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Duly noted. Those images will definitely come in handy to break up the writings I overlooked. I also have a little bit of art I could add in there ...<br />
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I could use some clarification on the fourth point. Do you want me to make a new BIP card with a looser structure? Or something more nefarious?<br />
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I need to go make some dough tomorrow and Thursday so the soonest I can make another draft will probably be Friday night.<br />
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—Net [[Special:Contributions/76.115.0.95|76.115.0.95]] 02:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Cram sez ===<br />
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'''On the fourth point:''' I'm not sure, I was brainstorming. Talking about working the BIP card into a larger art piece... but I supsect that's more trouble than it's worth, and it may actually discourage people from cutting the damn thing out.<br />
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'''On art:''' I'm starting a collection of other art: [[Misc Art]] I'd say this stuff trumps the PD art. We have this "masquerade" theme which was very present at the party, but not present in the book - so spreading out some of the mask avatars into various places would be nice. Maybe even like as an author headshot, like they sometimes do in news or magazine articles.<br />
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I'm going to try my hand at making some more collage, too. I'll try to work in B&W. And if I can will myself to do it, I might write an intro today. More notes to come.<br />
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=== Net - re: Cram sez ===<br />
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Yeah, it would be nice to at least throw in a few masks as an afterthought than have none in there at all. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 07:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== 000's very late response ===<br />
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Yo dudes, sorry I'm checking in so late, as I was on vacation.<br />
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# '''front cover''' : personally, i kind of lean towards the subtitle ''"Explorations of chaos, stupidity, and infinity"'', which may be more seducing to a non-discordian audience to open the book than the Discordian Fractal one, even though that one ''is'' a pretty good line as well.<br />
# I want to do a new version of the cover pic, one that's actually on top of a peak. Also not entirely happy with the relative lack of detail/finesse in the masked partygoers compared to the rest of the pic. I say that I ''want'', but my current todo-list is longer than ever, and filled with slightly more important RL tasks than this, but I'm going to try. I agree with doing it in colour.<br />
# I also still owe you guys a mockup/sketch/concept of the ampersand/ligature idea for the big title, which could be made a littlebit more interesting (but not too much, as not to make the cover too busy)<br />
# Sexy forum header image: I have a much higher resolution version of the shopped pic on my harddisk, it was scaled down for the forum header. Will upload.<br />
# '''TOC''' : This is going to be made to look a bit better than an asterisked list of titles, I presume? Suggest putting the authors in a lighter font-weight than the titles themselves, perhaps a discordian bullet-point thingy from the Fnord TTF font?<br />
# Can we put a picture that's actually funny and not LOLCATish (which I promise, will be old and stale within a year even if it the last act of memetic warfare I will ever participate in, so help me Goddess) instead of the "so sleepy from all the farting" one? I can rummage through my files, I think I made a selection of funny pics with Paul a couple of weeks ago, partly saved PD stuff and generic WOMPesque/shopped material I forgot to upload to the vault.<br />
# Generic typesetting remark: From looking at the first piece (Strange Times) and all the others, my eyes being a bit tired just gotten back from holiday, the text looks ever so slightly cramped, is there any possibility we can increase the '''word'''-spacing just a tiny littlebit?<br />
# '''Page 11''' : Dunno if there's any trick you can do about it, but having the title on two lines looks a bit odd, here. Unless we ditch the piece, as Cram suggested.<br />
# '''Page 18 CYOA''' : Love this one. Any possibility of perhaps shopping in Hairacles's avatar into the cover pic? It might fit.<br />
# '''Page 21''' : Love the image inset, and the particular image.<br />
# '''Page 22''' : What is that pic? Did a discordian draw it? Style comes off as somewhat familiar...<br />
# '''Page 23''' : Agree about the pic of Enrico. I'd go for the first, shiny dictator instead of the caricature. Another good idea might be to ask Hoopla if he still got one lying around.<br />
# '''Page 23''': Yes. It's important we get some of that Russian there, great way to remember that crazy trollish pre-party chaos!<br />
# '''Page 27''': Can it get a subtitle like "How the BIP got to be" or "History of the birth of the BIP" or ''"So this bunch of monkeys walk into a black iron bar ... the Discordian ducks."''<br />
# '''Page 66''': LOVE IT!! (but agree on s/O:MF/Mindfuck)<br />
# what's up with the dudes with condoms over their eyes btw?<br />
# good Zarathud ideas, will try to draw.<br />
# DIY aspect: will people really print this off for themselves? i would guess they'd either buy the book from Lulu or read the PDF from screen? otherwise might it be possible to make a "light" version for home printing? Just a few quick hacks to make it work?<br />
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=== Net - re: 000's very late spaggotry ===<br />
''My responses in italics.''<br />
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1. front cover : personally, i kind of lean towards the subtitle "Explorations of chaos, stupidity, and infinity", which may be more seducing to a non-discordian audience to open the book than the Discordian Fractal one, even though that one is a pretty good line as well.'''Ok. I tend to agree, it's a more descriptive while the discordian fractal is more of a fun idea but doesn't tell you very much about the book.<br />
''<br />
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2. I want to do a new version of the cover pic, one that's actually on top of a peak. Also not entirely happy with the relative lack of detail/finesse in the masked partygoers compared to the rest of the pic. I say that I want, but my current todo-list is longer than ever, and filled with slightly more important RL tasks than this, but I'm going to try. I agree with doing it in colour.<br />
''Next version will be in color.'' <br />
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3. I also still owe you guys a mockup/sketch/concept of the ampersand/ligature idea for the big title, which could be made a littlebit more interesting (but not too much, as not to make the cover too busy)<br />
''I think it may be too obscure a reference. Most people don't even "see" the ampersand and just think "and." The reason I think it works on Syn's cover designs (00004 and 00005) is because all of the other stuff on the cover is totally unnecessary and fun, so why not throw in an unnecessary ampersand? That said, I worked into my cover design, which by the way, is more of a placeholder until something better comes along.''<br />
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4. Sexy forum header image: I have a much higher resolution version of the shopped pic on my harddisk, it was scaled down for the forum header. Will upload.<br />
''To be used where?''<br />
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5. TOC : This is going to be made to look a bit better than an asterisked list of titles, I presume? Suggest putting the authors in a lighter font-weight than the titles themselves, perhaps a discordian bullet-point thingy from the Fnord TTF font?<br />
''Yes, it hasn't been formatted because I don't know how much space I can get away with, since I don't have a final version of the TOC to play around with. Once we have a more finalized version I'll start working it over.''<br />
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6. Can we put a picture that's actually funny and not LOLCATish (which I promise, will be old and stale within a year even if it the last act of memetic warfare I will ever participate in, so help me Goddess) instead of the "so sleepy from all the farting" one? I can rummage through my files, I think I made a selection of funny pics with Paul a couple of weeks ago, partly saved PD stuff and generic WOMPesque/shopped material I forgot to upload to the vault.<br />
''Yes. It should be the WOMPiest of the WOMP. When you find the one post it somewhere with the keyword "WOMPiest".''<br />
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7. Generic typesetting remark: From looking at the first piece (Strange Times) and all the others, my eyes being a bit tired just gotten back from holiday, the text looks ever so slightly cramped, is there any possibility we can increase the word-spacing just a tiny littlebit?<br />
''You have to print this stuff out to get an accurate sense of it. Otherwise you can waste a lot of time reshuffling things that turned out to be a total non-issue once things were printed. I'm going to bring this to two of the most experienced and anal people I know about typography and see what they say. I think the wordspacing was fine but I changed it to Garamond since Syn also has a problem with the body text. This ought to resolve any lingering issues with it, except now it's a bit more common rather than being unusual.'' <br />
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8. Page 11 : Dunno if there's any trick you can do about it, but having the title on two lines looks a bit odd, here. Unless we ditch the piece, as Cram suggested.<br />
''I disagree—it's a common occurrence in collections/varying content publications. But I suppose it's a moot point if we do give it the boot.''<br />
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9. Page 18 CYOA : Love this one. Any possibility of perhaps shopping in Hairacles's avatar into the cover pic? It might fit.<br />
''Sounds like something you could easily take care of. Here's a link to the original file:'' [http://mihd.net/0nufpe5]<br />
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10. Page 21 : Love the image inset, and the particular image.<br />
'':D''<br />
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11. Page 22 : What is that pic? Did a discordian draw it? Style comes off as somewhat familiar...<br />
''If you want to know who specifically did it, please to familiarize yourself with the list of submissions.''<br />
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12. Page 23 : Agree about the pic of Enrico. I'd go for the first, shiny dictator instead of the caricature. Another good idea might be to ask Hoopla if he still got one lying around.<br />
''Hoopla can go fuck himself. If you want to talk to him about it go ahead. I'll add it if you procure it, but I'm having nothing directly to do with him.''<br />
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13. Page 23: Yes. It's important we get some of that Russian there, great way to remember that crazy trollish pre-party chaos!<br />
''I came late. :(''<br />
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14. Page 27: Can it get a subtitle like "How the BIP got to be" or "History of the birth of the BIP" or "So this bunch of monkeys walk into a black iron bar ... the Discordian ducks."<br />
''You have to talk to RWHN if you want to start adding stuff to his writing.''<br />
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15. Page 66: LOVE IT!! (but agree on s/O:MF/Mindfuck)<br />
''I'm also playing around with some wacky typefaces, see.''<br />
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16. what's up with the dudes with condoms over their eyes btw?<br />
''Is amusing. I was amused and will continue to be amused in the future.''<br />
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17. good Zarathud ideas, will try to draw.<br />
''More hands = lighter work''.<br />
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18. DIY aspect: will people really print this off for themselves? i would guess they'd either buy the book from Lulu or read the PDF from screen? otherwise might it be possible to make a "light" version for home printing? Just a few quick hacks to make it work? <br />
''I don't think any hacks are necessary. Indesign will automatically reshuffle the pages for printing and that same PDF file can just be downloaded by people for assembling.'' [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 07:35, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Feedback from Syn ===<br />
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Net, this book is looking really, REALLY good! Well done!<br />
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My observations:<br />
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==== Text ====<br />
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I agree with Cram, the font is really nice, but looks a little light for Lulu book printing (this lesson comes to you courtesy of Syn's wasted $25 - doh!). Can you use a heavier variety of the same font, or test out a different main body font all together. Possibly keep the titles and headings in this font and just change the body? - Just a thought.<br />
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==== Images ====<br />
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I love the slanted/skewed boxes, but am not sure that degrading the image quality with the vertical stripe is a good idea, it may look to some like a shoddy layout/printing job. It comes out pretty weird on my printer (Konica-Minolta Magicolor 2550DN). Some images are fine, others have moir patterns and others have vertical interference lines. If we want people to print at home, should it not be as clear as possible? From experience a good, but not over exposed level of contrast is good for image printing with Lulu. There area number of images in the SynGen books that didn't come out too well; I felt it was because they were lacking in clarity and contrast originally.<br />
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Also, I never did get the condoms-over-eyes images, but the make me snort out loud every time I see them, so I suppose they are effective in some way. :)<br />
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=== Net - re: Syn Feedback ===<br />
''My responses in italics.''<br />
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Net, this book is looking really, REALLY good! Well done!<br />
''Thanks dude. That means a lot coming from you.''<br />
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I agree with Cram, the font is really nice, but looks a little light for Lulu book printing (this lesson comes to you courtesy of Syn's wasted $25 - doh!). Can you use a heavier variety of the same font, or test out a different main body font all together. Possibly keep the titles and headings in this font and just change the body? - Just a thought.<br />
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''As I mentioned to 000 and as you'll see in the next draft, I used Garamond (Premier Pro (:fap:)) so we'll guarantee perfect printing. I also have a raging hard on for th at incarnation of Garamond and it plays off the headers better. In case you'd like to know, the headers for this latest version are Fertigo and it's a free font. The section/page number font is Telegram HPLHS, and the ransom clipping font is Anonymous Clippings, all available for free.'' <br />
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I love the slanted/skewed boxes, but am not sure that degrading the image quality with the vertical stripe is a good idea, it may look to some like a shoddy layout/printing job. It comes out pretty weird on my printer (Konica-Minolta Magicolor 2550DN). Some images are fine, others have moir patterns and others have vertical interference lines. If we want people to print at home, should it not be as clear as possible? From experience a good, but not over exposed level of contrast is good for image printing with Lulu. There area number of images in the SynGen books that didn't come out too well; I felt it was because they were lacking in clarity and contrast originally.<br />
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''Please let me know which images have interference lines and moire patterns.'' <br />
''I processed the images like that for a few reasons:'' ''One - It helps unify them across the book which the rounded/skewed boxes can't do on their own IMO, Two - It's more obvious to the eye than the plethora of JPEG artifacts present in the images, but you know you're supposed to look "through" the vertical halftone screen even when they're very coarse. Three - So by degrading the image quality a bit more it should appear intentional and paradoxically become less apparent, if that makes any sense. I'm also going to show this to some teachers at my school and see what they think and how they have dealt with low res images that needed to be printed. I'm still open to suggestions as well. I think they need to be processed in some way so it looks intentional and are unified throughout the book. As it is now, the resolution varies from proper to way subpar. The inconsistency seems more distracting than the halftone element, IMO. That said, I'll kill my baby and just use the box element for the fourth draft.'' <br />
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Also, I never did get the condoms-over-eyes images, but the make me snort out loud every time I see them, so I suppose they are effective in some way. :) <br />
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''Right?'' [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 08:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Briefly from Cram ===<br />
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Net, if you have room, can you please add this? It's my favorite piece of poetry ever posted on PD. http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=14545.msg461884#msg461884<br />
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The condoms over eyes thing was just a silly WOMP - there's no backstory or in-joke. I think it might have been a pun on the word "cockeyed".<br />
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I agree with Syn about the vertical distortion on the skewed boxes. <br />
<br />
Hey Syn, do you know if we can get the cover printed in color? Or is that only for hardcover? I haven't really looked into this.<br />
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=== Syn replying to Cram ===<br />
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Hey Cram. Yeah, you can have the cover in full colour on any type of book. Did you find our what font the 3rd ampersand came from?<br />
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NM, I just vecced it. [http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Possible/impossible_Covers See the new cover proposals]. ;)<br />
<br />
=== Net - re: Briefly from Cram ===<br />
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I'll make sure the poetry is in the fourth draft. Also, I haven't yet changed the names on the CYOA images, so if somebody could do that and upload the files I'd appreciate it. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 08:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-77_v5.1.pdf 3rd Draft of Et Cetera Discordia] ==<br />
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Hey, Syn, could you link to a high res version of cover #00005? I like that one the best. Maybe it could use a little more integration with the direction I've been going but, definitely dig that one. Bleeds would be good too as well as a back cover. And, if you could give me the names of the fonts you're working with and whatnot, I may be able to integrate them with the rest of the book. <br />
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[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 09:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Net.<br />
<br />
I'm still not sure I agree about patterning the images, especially those that are meant to be copied and redistributed, although, having said that I do understand that digital artefacts are a serious printing issue, but - ''he says, pulling out a copy of Metaclysmia Discordia'' - it would seem that jpg artefacts are not a major concern for the printing process. I know a lot of those images were really crap quality, but the jpg artefacts just do not show.<br />
<br />
As an aside, it may be worth setting up a Photobucket account for the book and mentioning in the book that there are higher quality versions available online at hxxp://www.wherever.com/etcdiscordia. Hell we could even put together an ''Et Cetera Discordia Propaganda Pack'' with all the good stuff and host that somewhere relatively permanent (''POEE?'' ;)).<br />
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Fonts Used in the cover are:<br />
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*Century Gothic - Book Titles/'Provisionally Approved...' stamp upper left<br />
*4990810 - 'DO NOT STAMP' stamp bottom right<br />
*Times New Roman (width reduced by 10%) - 'DS' in 'DS ARCHIVES'/'YOLD 3174' stamp upper middle<br />
*Times New Roman - '(Provisional)' under title<br />
*Typewriter-Regular - Discordian Services (Not a perfect match for the rest of the test so have replaced the whole thing in the latest posted version #6) bottom middle<br />
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The rest are part of the original ''SIMPLE SABOTAGE FIELD MANUAL Strategic Services (Provisional)'' cover, or pasted images.<br />
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The background layer - Mostly the original cover - was full of artefacts that were rendered sufficiently clean for printing with a few Photoshop filters. I have a printed copy of the '''SIMPLE SABOTAGE FIELD MANUAL''' printed by Lulu with that cleaned cover in front of me that attests to this, so please don't worry about remaining artefacts in the Et Cetera Discordia image. You won't see them in the print.<br />
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HTH!<br />
[[User:Synaptyx|Rev. St. Syn, KSC]] 11:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Latest Cover: [http://rapidshare.com/files/137720693/Et_Cetera_Discordia__6.png.html Version 6 (png) FULL RES] Can you give me a cover size with bleeds and a res? - Just saw the size on the covers page. Net, are you aware that isn't a size that Lulu print? http://www.lulu.com/us/help/paperback_printspecs The closest appears to be: A5 14.817 x 20.99 cm or 5.833 x 8.264"<br />
--[[User:Synaptyx|Rev. St. Syn, KSC]] 18:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I wish you were involved earlier, lol. <br />
<br />
I've already said I'll swap out the vertically screened images for mere grayscales for the fourth version. It's time consuming but easy enough. I'm probably too close to the idea to see how my logic fails, but I trust your judgment as well as Cram's so, it will be changed. I assure you. What do you think about thickening up the rounded/skewed frames to about a 2 pt black line? Comments on the Garamond/Fertigo/Telegram combination? Can you dig the dingbat/clip art treatments?<br />
<br />
Also, it's not too difficult to create another file where the document size is say, 6 x 9 inches (which is a lulu proportion) as well as an A5 version so people can download it and print it on their own. Good catch, but I've adapted publications to new page sizes and it's not my favorite thing to do in the world, but it can be done in a fairly short span of time. I'm going to keep working within the folded US letter size until everything is gleaming with doneness whereupon I'll transfer it to the lulu and A5 (finished, A4 flat) proportions. So if you could make the cover fit all of the above it would be most awesome, double awesome if you do the entire wrap around cover.<br />
<br />
Thanks for all the details and prompt feedback. Highly appreciated.<br />
<br />
[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 19:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Net, the fonts are very nice. I'll bow to your superior font-knowledge. It looks so frikkin' pro right now. I have to say the dings really set it off, the moar the bettar as far as I'm concerned (but not too much ;))! I think thickening up the frames is probably a good idea.<br />
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I'm happy to do a full wraparound, glad you liked the cover! :D Are you guys sold on the colour? I left it the same blue as the original file. I have begun editing the next version of the cover. I'm working on removing the old page background, leaving the original stamps/printing/scribbles/notes, etc to make re-sizing easier.<br />
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So, A4 wrap, Letter Wrap and whatever lulu size is decided upon... I'll do a front and a back with a separate spine, once we get to the lulu stage, then combine it when needed.<br />
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--[[User:Synaptyx|Rev. St. Syn, KSC]] 19:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== A few questions for Cram/000: ===<br />
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*Do we have a back cover blurb?<br />
*Is this going to be published through Lulu with an ISBN?<br />
*Have I asked those questions before?<br />
*Which Lulu format/size are we going for?<br />
--[[User:Synaptyx|Rev. St. Syn, KSC]] 19:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-80_v6.2.pdf 4th Draft of Et Cetera Discordia] ==<br />
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'''Please be patient with the download, I went nuts with dingbats so the file is exceptionally GYNORMOUS.''' I could have compressed the file size, but this way, you can proof any page you need to and it will be full quality. I will manually reduce excessive dingbats when we start finalizing the book, so bear with me. If the download is too excessive for your connection/computer I can post a lower quality version, just let me know.<br />
<br />
I'm glad you dig the typography Syn, which again means a LOT coming from you. (Still impressed by everything graphic design I've seen you do.) Also testing the idea of more dingbats being better - I like the texture.<br />
<br />
Still haven't replaced names for Choose Your Own Adventure pieces, Table of Contents will need to be formatted and Wompiest of the Womp/Intro image needs to be placed. Also, Enrico pic, Miscellaneous Comments, Copyright page, Kopyleft page, Intro piece, Title page and back cover needs to be completed. I also have not thickened up the frames. I could be missing something here, so put your editor cap on.<br />
<br />
Besides those things, let me know what you think. I tried to appropriate Syn's cover style via deconstruction through symbolism. All vertical halftones have been replaced with grayscale and I've started smoking fucking cigarettes again, fuck! I'm dating an extremely hot girl who's into psychology like me but still have feelings for my ex-wife, advice needed. Also, I need to learn how to dance, she's big on dancing.<br />
<br />
Also, you guys are incredible, thanks for having me on board for this thing. We still have a ways to go, but I've been drinking and feeling appreciative see.<br />
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[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 08:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-80_v6.5.pdf 5th Draft of Et Cetera Discordia] ==<br />
<br />
Still a monstrosity of a file and I presumptuously added Syn's cover I tweaked. <br />
<br />
I think I'm officially obsessed with this project... <br />
<br />
Choose Your Own Adventures have been changed, though I might have missed one.<br />
<br />
Table of Contents has some shape, but the content is wildly inaccurate. When we're almost done I'll straighten her out.<br />
<br />
Still need a bangin' intro image and intro piece, copyright/kopyleft pages, title page. Also, Cram, please doublecheck that all pieces are present, adding more is no problem.<br />
<br />
I also gave some TLC to the dingbat textures. I can tone those down if they're bothersome. I also can tone them up a touch if some of them don't print well. And speaking of not printing well, try printing page 55, it's most likely to produce postscript errors. I'm going to go back and remove a lot of the dingbats that are coded into the PDF but hiding behind images even if everything prints out just fine. So expect problems printing samples, and know that I have a number of ways to fix it.<br />
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MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME, ITW.<br />
<br />
[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 02:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Cram's Notes ===<br />
<br />
Man, you are making some killer progress. I've really been enjoying how this book has evolved over the drafts. It started off looking very clean and proper, and is finally descending into proper levels of chaos. I think the dingbats do a good job of feeling like extraneous clutter on the page while simultaneously enhancing the design.<br />
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# There are a number of pieces which still aren't included. They include:<br />
:* Hearts & Minds (by Cain)<br />
:* the Shrapnel Theme stuff<br />
:* [[Liber FruFru]] (let's just grab the internet bit which has been retyped)<br />
:* [[OMGASM_Description]]<br />
:* [[Stupid Content]] - actually, for effort's sake, let's just use The Book of Dewlap and not the form Cainad made.<br />
:* Finished Cutups (other than Dream Jam)<br />
:** that includes [[5 Minutes of Panic]], should be somewhere after Dream Jam, with Zarathud hacking it up.<br />
:** [[Street Time]], should be late in the book, heavily hacked up by Zarathud<br />
:* [[The_Koan_Thread]] Zen Koans - throw these around liberally!<br />
:* [[Myspace Monkeys]] - on second thought, barely any of this needs to be in. <br />
:* A lot of the [[Marginalia]] - toss this around liberally!<br />
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Specific commentary on stuff:<br />
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* '''The Cover''' is looking sexier than ever. Should the subtitle be "New Iterations ON the Discordian fractal"? Or is "OF the discordian fractal" correct? will research.<br />
* '''Table of Contents''' - I love the monkey siloheutte in front of the Magritte painting. The K ball and chain is sweet too. Some of the titles need fixed, I'll mention that on that pieces entry.<br />
* '''Intro Page (00001)''' - I'll get on writing this. I'll see if I can WOMP up something in B&W, too.<br />
* '''Page 00006''': I can't find the original image used here on the left. I'd like to replace the word FAGGOTRY with SPAGGOTRY, even if it's just a larger SP typed on over the F.<br />
* '''Page 00010-00011''': There's some whitespace on 10 we could use for a koan or some marginalia. I was wondering... a lot of these pieces are two or four pages - is it better to have them on their own spread? That way you get the complete idea in one visual unit, without having to turn a page. As is now, it makes for a nice tear-out sheet though. What do you think? Is there a theory behind this layout?<br />
*'''Page 12-13''': I love the pairing of the gay wango tango image with the surveillance state piece.<br />
*'''Page 14''': There's a little ROFLBOT icon in the bottom right.<br />
*'''Page 17''': This is one of those Zarathud pieces. When will we get to see some of his antics incorporated?<br />
*'''Page 18''': Can you change the illustrator at the bottom of the CYOA image to "Illustrated by YUO"?.<br />
*'''Page 20''': The Dr. Strangelove quote needs "the atom bomb" at the end. Can you set the quote attribution on its own line? The hanging Dr looks weird.<br />
*'''Page 21''': It occurs to me that Princess Madnonymus has a pretty good avatar for an author headshot: http://we.dontexist.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=57;type=avatar - but please move the LANCELOT image somewhere else rather than removing it entirely, because I love it.<br />
*'''Page 23''': here's a pic for Enrico: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/enrico.png<br />
*'''Page 31''': Title should be "Go Mindfuck Yourself". The second-to-last line of the piece should also read "Go Mindfuck Yourself". Plz adjust this in the TOC and the end page, too.<br />
*'''Page 43''': It's gonna fry some people's bacon that we're including some loveshade stuff, but they can cram it sideways for all I care. <br />
*'''Page 47''': Let's replace Freedom Isn't Free with another of the [[Vexati0n Materials]], "Survival in the Surveillance State"<br />
*'''Page 48''': COYA book illustrator should be "Illustrated by the Wrath Of MS-Paint Cabal". If possible, can you boldface the W, O, M, and P?<br />
*'''Page 70''': I absolutely love the fonts, and how this is set. But delete the word "Operation". <br />
*'''Random''': Can we fit in any more of the [[Misc Art]]?<br />
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I really love this shit. I'm glad you're enjoying it too. I'm going to keep hacking at text. Is there anywhere you feel I should pay special attention to? Like maybe picking out the best marginalia or koans? I trust your judgement in picking stuff, but I could earmark some stuff too. I'd also like to get some more actual exchanges from the forum, I'm going to see if I can isolate any good snippets.<br />
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Cram<br />
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'''ADDED:''' [[3-word-story]], [[The Web of Chaos]], [[Masquerade]], [[Kopyleft page]]<br />
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WOW! This is just awesome, Net! I love the ''dingsplosions'' all over the place. I'd darken them slightly, but other than that I agree with Cram. Not liking the re-colourised cover (except that it's got those fantastic dings on it). Purely a personal thing, and I'm not going to make a fuss if everybody else likes it! :)<br />
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--[[User:Synaptyx|Rev. St. Syn, KSC]] 16:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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''"I'm dating an extremely hot girl who's into psychology like me but still have feelings for my ex-wife, advice needed."''<br />
<br />
Move forward my friend, move forward. She's your EX-wife for a reason. Get your booty moving and dance the pants off the psych-girl.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Synaptyx|Rev. St. Syn, KSC]] 16:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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<br />
'''THIS JUST IN:''' Edits:<br />
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Delete OMGASM Description. I didn't like it.<br />
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Replace with [[OMGASM Description 2]] and [[OMGASM Description 3]]. SO SPEAKETH [[User:Cramulus|Cramulus]] 15:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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BTW: I passed along our fifth draft to RWHN and Hoopla to comment on it. I figured we could use an outside opinion or two before we concrete stuff. I'll also be doing some more editing on various pieces, I'll be sure to flag them so we have up-to-date copies in the manuscript.<br />
<br />
Trip and I were talking about how this design is sexay enough that we don't want to waste it on just party materials. Also, Net suggested that it's quite easy to add more stuff to the book. So if you see anything else out there that you think belongs in, don't hesitate to plug us into it. this book has already outgrown its original britches. You guys have any thoughts on this? [[User:Cramulus|Cramulus]] 15:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== 000 ===<br />
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Yes, what Cram said. this design is so awesome, it would like totally be the PD2.0 we've been waiting for all these years. personally i think there's goldmines of swote to be found in the Or Kill Me subforum.<br />
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also, move on, she's your exwife for a reason. it'll be hard, but yeah. ah i know you'll be able to do it. let's chat in IRC about it some time.<br />
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about the vertical stripe rastering. well i still havent printed it, but i can totally understand the idea of using it to fudge up the JPEG artifacts, that is something i would do. but if Syn says it won't really show up in the print version, and it looks weird on the test prints, drop it.<br />
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also also also, fuck shit i read above i still have like 3 unfinished tasks i promised i would do for you guys that i havent done. there's beers in my head now but i'll write it in my todo book tomorrow.<br />
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also also * 4 im gonna meet Syn on saturday, so i guess that's brainstorming time? :D<br />
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and, did i mention it looks fecking swote? cause it does. im gonna have to write a more in-depth critique of specific parts when sober.<br />
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should we start a new page btw, or are we going to keep it long? [[Special:Contributions/87.194.156.201|87.194.156.201]] 23:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Net: 8-25 ===<br />
<br />
Sorry I haven't given you guys an update. I've been going crazy with this new girl - we'll be gone next weekend camping around the San Juan Islands. Cue dancing banana.<br />
<br />
Which means that I'm going to be doing a lot of work on the book today through Thursday. I've been doing things here and there as I've had time but haven't gotten to a point to share the draft or properly respond to your feedback. Sometime in the next 12 hours I will and I'll address your comments and grievances as well.<br />
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[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 22:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey man, glad things are going well with the girl. Hey, are you going to be around on Columbus day weekend? I'll be in Portland for Esozone. We NEED to get together for a beers. <br />
<br />
: I want to state, if I haven't yet, that you're doing a kickass job laying this shit down like pavement and I'm incredibly impressed. Is it cool that I'm still editing pieces and throwing shit on this pile? I don't want to get too carried away with adding new stuff, because I want this to be OVER soon so we can hold this sexy little thing in our arms and make love to it, but I am wracking my brains thinking - if this was the fucking final word on Discordia in this decade, what is it missing? This stuff exists out there, a lot of it has been posted on PD, I've just gotta track it down. And write an intro. And spike a fucking beer bottle on the ground and shout ''BIKAAAW''. [[User:Cramulus|Cramulus]] 01:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I will be around on Columbus Day, a beer at the very least can be guaranteed. Also, Nigel wants to take you, me, and St. Mae to The Tunnel for great shenanigans. Have you heard that she might be in town when you are? I'm looking forward to it.<br />
<br />
::Yes, keep heaping things in a pile and I'll transmogrify them into people riding dinosaurs with lasers ASAP. <br />
<br />
:: Also, fuck, missed my own deadline. I have to spend some time pruning off the fnord-dings in order to save time navigating the burgeoning file size. It's taxing my macbook. I've read over everyone's comments at least three times now and made a bunch of changes, but you'll have to take my word for it because I need to sleep and shower and do other banal rituals that are associated with being a Civilized Human™. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 13:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-114_v7.1.1.pdf 6th Draft of Et Cetera Discordia] ==<br />
'''Very sorry guys. My life rapidly went from quiet and predictable to a glorious insanity that I just couldn't turn down. So I hope you haven't completely lost interest and don't want to remove all of my genitalia.<br />
<br />
'''I think we're getting pretty close to wrapping this thing up for a final critique.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
1. There are a number of pieces which still aren't included. They include: <br />
o that includes 5 Minutes of Panic, should be somewhere after Dream Jam, with Zarathud hacking it up.<br />
'''SEE PAGE 16'''<br />
<br />
* The_Koan_Thread Zen Koans - throw these around liberally!<br />
'''I read this as a single narrative?'''<br />
<br />
* Myspace Monkeys - on second thought, barely any of this needs to be in.<br />
'''Please help me choose what goes in and whatnot. What would you like to see put in/left out?'''<br />
<br />
* A lot of the Marginalia - toss this around liberally! <br />
'''Still have more to work in, suggestions may help this go more smoothly.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
* The Cover is looking sexier than ever. Should the subtitle be "New Iterations ON the Discordian fractal"? Or is "OF the discordian fractal" correct? will research.<br />
'''I'm going to try some sans psychedelic cover variations at some point.'''<br />
<br />
* Table of Contents - I love the monkey siloheutte in front of the Magritte painting. The K ball and chain is sweet too. Some of the titles need fixed, I'll mention that on that pieces entry.<br />
'''Thanks. The ToC will be completed at the same time as the page index. It's the tape at the finish line, see.'''<br />
<br />
* Page 00006: I can't find the original image used here on the left. I'd like to replace the word FAGGOTRY with SPAGGOTRY, even if it's just a larger SP typed on over the F.<br />
'''Check.'''<br />
<br />
* Page 00010-00011: There's some whitespace on 10 we could use for a koan or some marginalia. I was wondering... a lot of these pieces are two or four pages - is it better to have them on their own spread? That way you get the complete idea in one visual unit, without having to turn a page. As is now, it makes for a nice tear-out sheet though. What do you think? Is there a theory behind this layout?<br />
'''It's just a book convention to have new pieces/chapters/sections always start on the right hand page. Not all books but a lot of 'em. The strict layout also is part of the idea that making the typography highly organized and consistent will help draw attention to Zarathud fucking with the orderliness. He will be worked into the layout as soon as the larger issue of all the content being accurate and present is settled.'''<br />
<br />
* Page 12-13: I love the pairing of the gay wango tango image with the surveillance state piece.<br />
'''Thanks, I thought you guys would like that.'''<br />
<br />
* Page 14: There's a little ROFLBOT icon in the bottom right.<br />
'''Fixed."<br />
<br />
* Page 17: This is one of those Zarathud pieces. When will we get to see some of his antics incorporated?<br />
'''After we get all the furniture moved in, the smaller but important accoutrements will be arranged. At least that seems to be the wisest way to go about it.'''<br />
<br />
* Page 18: Can you change the illustrator at the bottom of the CYOA image to "Illustrated by YUO"?<br />
'''Check.'''<br />
<br />
* Page 20: The Dr. Strangelove quote needs "the atom bomb" at the end. Can you set the quote attribution on its own line? The hanging Dr looks weird.<br />
'''Thanks. I think this quote might appear twice in the book too...'''<br />
<br />
* Page 21: It occurs to me that Princess Madnonymus has a pretty good avatar for an author headshot: http://we.dontexist.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=57;type=avatar - but please move the LANCELOT image somewhere else rather than removing it entirely, because I love it.<br />
'''Check. Although I don't think this reads as well when printed."<br />
<br />
* Page 23: here's a pic for Enrico: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/enrico.png<br />
'''Check. That's a good one."<br />
<br />
* Page 31: Title should be "Go Mindfuck Yourself". The second-to-last line of the piece should also read "Go Mindfuck Yourself". Plz adjust this in the TOC and the end page, too.<br />
'''I'm going to keep the ToC scrappy and approximate until all the furniture is moved in and in a more permanent place. Otherwise, check.'''<br />
<br />
* Page 43: It's gonna fry some people's bacon that we're including some loveshade stuff, but they can cram it sideways for all I care.<br />
'''Well, I don't like Loveshade, but not enough to make a case to exclude him from the book. It seems that part of the whole point of the masquerade thing was to bring the discordian splinter groups together so naturally there will be elements I don't like but need to be represented to be true to the event.'''<br />
<br />
* Page 47: Let's replace Freedom Isn't Free with another of the Vexati0n Materials, "Survival in the Surveillance State"<br />
'''I think that was already in there, so I just took out Freedom Isn't Free.'''<br />
<br />
* Page 48: COYA book illustrator should be "Illustrated by the Wrath Of MS-Paint Cabal". If possible, can you boldface the W, O, M, and P?<br />
'''You must be referring to a different draft because page 48 doesn't have COYA on it.'''<br />
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* Page 70: I absolutely love the fonts, and how this is set. But delete the word "Operation".<br />
'''Check.'''<br />
<br />
* Random: Can we fit in any more of the Misc Art? <br />
'''For sure.'''<br />
<br />
I really love this shit. I'm glad you're enjoying it too. I'm going to keep hacking at text. Is there anywhere you feel I should pay special attention to? Like maybe picking out the best marginalia or koans? I trust your judgement in picking stuff, but I could earmark some stuff too. I'd also like to get some more actual exchanges from the forum, I'm going to see if I can isolate any good snippets.<br />
'''I think I might be looking at the wrong koan page? Link please? <br />
<br />
'''I could use some help sorting through the Myspace Monkeys morass in particular. I can work in snippets of all sizes as you prepare them.'''<br />
<br />
Delete OMGASM Description. I didn't like it.<br />
Replace with OMGASM Description 2 and OMGASM Description 3. SO SPEAKETH Cramulus <br />
'''Okay. Did I do it right?'''<br />
<br />
[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 01:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Cram's Review ===<br />
<br />
We're coming along quite well. I'd like to think that we're approaching the end. I get the sense that we're starting to lose steam, but I don't want to lose track of our goal. I'm almost done with the intro piece, and I think we've just gotta do a little bit more hacking, add Zarathud and final cuts, and we're good.<br />
<br />
I've set up a Review page, and will be directing some people there to weigh in.<br />
<br />
what follows is my commentary on the 6th draft. There's not a lot, because we're looking really good.<br />
<br />
'''Page 3''' - re-grab text for the [[The_Strange_Times]], I picked out a few small typos.<br />
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'''Page 27''' - re-grab text for [[Introduction_to_the_BIP]], I edited a little. See my notes on that page.<br />
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'''Page 31''' - change title to "Go Mindfuck Yourself". Center subtitle? Piece has been slightly edited (mostly for bold & italics), re-grab it from [[Go_OMF_Yourself]]. If there's room, insert the T'ai graphic linked at the end. (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/images/Tai.gif)<br />
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'''Page 37''' - regrab text - minor typos fixed<br />
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'''Page 43''' - add this graphic: http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4600/ftshs5.jpg<br />
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'''Page 49''' - Change title to "Bracing yourself for the OMGASM?"<br />
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'''Page 50''' - last line, the protip at the end, fix the word "POSTERGASM" so it's all on the same line. We don't want people to tag their photos "poster-gasm"!<br />
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'''Page 53''' - change title to "Tips for Launching..." rather than "Tips on Launching" (grammar). <br />
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'''Page 59''' - change byline to "By Dirty Essence and Full Time Slacker, edited by Zarathud"<br />
<br />
'''Page 61''' - (and the whole myspace monkey suite) Put stamps, sillohuettes, and other visual garbage all over the place. It's cool if you can't read all the text. It should be in the background. This is the most chaotic bit of text, I also think it should be the most visually chaotic. Maybe Zarathud taking a dump on the page?<br />
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'''Page 67''' - Delete Title "The Koan Thread", change it to "Traffic Koans". Replace text with the stuff here: [[The_Koan_Thread]] (recently edited). Spread out each story a bit so they don't seem like one continuous piece.<br />
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'''Page 77'' - Take the gibberish line ("y'h-sh'rpre...") and set it in a different font. Delete the Fred bumper sticker - it's too in-jokey. Replace with http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/bert.gif or http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn32/gundamagriculture/misc/do-not-read-this-sign-1.png , space depending. Maybe put the other one somewhere else.<br />
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'''Page 92''' - delete the part of the graphic which says "Illustrated by Paul Granger"<br />
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'''Page 99''' - scrub the byline on the comic. I don't want credit thar.<br />
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'''Misc:''' - I've scrubbed down the [[Marginalia]]. Please include this stuff in random places, in margins, whitespace, etc. Mix it up with the fonts.<br />
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<br />
===Net - Re: Cram's Review===<br />
'''My comments are in bold or italics.'''<br />
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Some more notes... based on GA's reccomendations, I've done some significant editing. Please re-grab the text for the following pieces.<br />
* Strange Times<br />
* Bare Minimum BIP<br />
* Dream Jam<br />
* Shrapnel Project<br />
* Pipe Bombs<br />
* Thoughts on Shrapnel<br />
* OMGASM Description 2<br />
* The Great Pope Joan<br />
* Followup to Go Mindfuck Yourself <br />
'''I'm no longer going to fine tune the typography until you guys have made up your minds about the content. I will be ignoring most critiques about body text formatting until the very end.'''<br />
----<br />
New Piecess: Discordians in History, Discordia2008. Note that for that last one, we might as well change all the occurances to 2008 to 2009, as that's when people will be actually reading this. ;-)<br />
'''You know, most graphic designers would make you sign a contract that limits the number of major revisions in layout and content you are allowed to make. If you guys had finalized the content before I was involved I wouldn't have wasted a good 20 to 30 hours of my life. Just saying...'''<br />
----<br />
Layout Notes: GA made some good points about some of the graphics, their repetition, etc. I don't agree with all of her comment, but here's the ones I most agreed with. Mainly it's images with IMPACT FONT macros. Not so fond of 'em. The problem is that we don't have a lot of replacement images... Maybe we can get 000 to doodle something? eh probably not. any thoughts?<br />
'''I don't think we're going to get anyone to doodle or otherwise create a significant amount of art for this book. I thought the idea was that were going to use whatever people submitted for the most part. I think the image macros should stay because they reflect a staple of discordian humor. It also accurately represents how internet-based the culture is. I can find some replacement images, but now that I'm back in school, this process is going to go even slower.''' <br />
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* Replace the Pic on p0005 with something weirded. Haven't figured out what yet. :-(<br />
'''I don't want to. I like that one and I find it amusing. I don't think we should remove anything until we've found a replacement. Also see my previous comment about discordia being internet-based.'''<br />
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* Replace the Sir Arthur Cone pic on p0007<br />
* Page 00014 - replace pic, but keep the Shadow/Graffiti line<br />
* Page 00015 - replace WOMP portrait.<br />
'''Replace the above, with what?'''<br />
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* See GA's comments on page 00018 00019:<br />
"00018 - 00019 - Have to say, I don't really like the double-page images. I think the PD did a good job mixing the images in with the text; in the Etc, most images get a whole page to themselves. I'd rather see smaller images with bits of text inserted crooked in the margins than have whole pages devoted to them. Having a simple image one facing page of the beginning or end of an article words as a kind of "bookend" for it, especially if the article has the feeling of starting or ending a section. On the specifics: I'd only put one (at most) CYOA cover in, predicated on being able to find a good resolution version. I do like the "Illustrated by Yuo" at the bottom of this one, though. One the poem: nice. I think you want "greyfaced beings" instead of "greyface beings" on the second line though. Certainly "Get" instead of "Gets" on the last line (compare "I get" to "I gets"). As a stylistic change, I'm all for replacing all the "-ed" endings with "-'d" (e.g., "greyface'd, cram'd, touch'd) for a more vintage feel. That's just me, and it might actually be more obnoxious that way. And why are all of the texty bits like this upside down? Go for some variety - have some just at 90 degree angles, or right-aligned, etc. Don't restrict your self to just right-side-up and up-side-down." <br />
'''Fuck that, this isn't the PD and the margins MUST be preserved for people to print this out at home. If you really want to argue this I'm going to clock you with some technical things that WILL happen to people as a result of trying too hard to think outside the box. When we finalize the content, Zarathud will be introducing more crooked elements. It's a figure/ground relationship: Zarathud's shenanigans are the figure, the orderly nature of the body text is the ground. Without this relationship, a lot of the impact will be lost. Also, the PD content was comprised of much smaller pieces so the lack of continuity wasn't problematic. Longer pieces demand more consistency for people to follow them. Smaller images are nice, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IMAGES THAT LOOK GOOD SMALL. The "texty bits" will stay predictably upside down to highlight Zarathud's chaos. I think the PD's layout sucked because they tried too hard to be random without any sort of style — this is the bad dada, IMO. Also, this would require me to consider each instance of a marginalia quote separately, rather than using a design conceit that is consistent throughout. Even with the design conceit, making it fit into the layout isn't easy, you're asking that I make this much, much more difficult AND to reduce the quality of the overall work. So request denied unless you come up with a more convincing argument.'''<br />
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* okay I'm back -- Move RWHN's "intro to the bip" piece somewhere prior to the "bare minimum black iron prison" piece.<br />
'''Okay.'''<br />
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* pages 24-30 have a lot of images and only a little text - might want to move some of these things, or move some text in between.<br />
'''This has been addressed in the latest version. The book really wasn't in a place to show you guys another draft, but I did anyway to keep the critiques alive.'''<br />
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* Page 41: (pipe bombs) I like GA's suggestion of setting this like cut-up newsprint. Though that might neutralize LHX's clean, minimalist style.<br />
'''I liked 000's suggestion better.'''<br />
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* page 45-ish - I agree with GA that we shouldn't put all three shrapnel pieces next to each other. This might be something good to mix around in the p24-30 block. Same with The Book of Dewlap piece on p 00051.<br />
'''If I reshuffle this and you still don't like it, then that's going to be too bad. I'm going to give you the opportunity to specify a more particular and permanent order for them. That's not my job and this stuff is time consuming as hell.'''<br />
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* Page 68- I don't care what GA says, I love that picture. But the quote does need some help. Change it to a piece of Marginalia, or perhaps this quote from the Enrico piece: "The third ingredient is pump-action shotguns. One for each transvestite. Enrico will, of course, be holding his own beauty of a weapon, a Sturmgewehr 44 named Skippy he has had since he grew moss on his rolling stones."<br />
'''This will be changed in future drafts.'''<br />
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* p76 - The upside down text also needs to be replaced.<br />
'''"Replaced" is called a nonspecified verb in the context of your sentence. What does it need to be replaced with?'''<br />
----<br />
* p 90-91 - again, a spread with all images no text. Swap text around to break it up.<br />
'''Again, I showed you a draft that wasn't really ready to be shown.'''<br />
----<br />
* p96 - Eh, kill this pic and the quote. Replace with marginalia and... something. Same with the pic on page 100. Too much of that lolcat-style macro going on here.<br />
'''I think the lolcat-macro reflects accurately on the nature of this group as well as discordians in general. If you have something to replace the image with I'll do it, but I will replace the marginalia.'''<br />
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* p101 - kill the "By SillyCybin" byline. We'll credit him elsewhere. <br />
'''Okay.'''<br />
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on that note - bylines. I'm more of the mind that we should kill all of 'em? Because our inconsistency is kind of distracting. What do you think?<br />
'''Did you ask everyone if it's okay to use their stuff without crediting them? Otherwise I'm not taking them out, it just suggests that some people wanted credit and that others didn't. I don't see what's wrong with that.'''<br />
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Also, I think I should probably start a new page for notes. This page is getting waaaaaaaay too cumbersome. <br />
'''Yeah, but please put a link to it on this page.'''<br />
<br />
[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 20:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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<br />
==== Cram's Review Phase 2 - 10/6/08 ====<br />
<br />
Some more notes... based on GA's reccomendations, I've done some significant editing. Please re-grab the text for the following pieces.<br />
<br />
<br />
*Strange Times<br />
*Bare Minimum BIP<br />
*Dream Jam<br />
*Shrapnel Project<br />
*Pipe Bombs<br />
*Thoughts on Shrapnel<br />
*OMGASM Description 2<br />
*The Great Pope Joan<br />
*Followup to Go Mindfuck Yourself<br />
<br />
<br />
'''New Piecess:''' [[Discordians in History]], [[Discordia2008]]. Note that for that last one, we might as well change all the occurances to 2008 to 2009, as that's when people will be actually reading this. ;-)<br />
<br />
'''Layout Notes''': GA made some good points about some of the graphics, their repetition, etc. I don't agree with all of her comment, but here's the ones I most agreed with. Mainly it's images with IMPACT FONT macros. Not so fond of 'em. The problem is that we don't have a lot of replacement images... Maybe we can get 000 to doodle something? eh probably not. any thoughts? <br />
<br />
*Replace the Pic on '''p0005''' with something weirded. Haven't figured out what yet. :-(<br />
*Replace the Sir Arthur Cone pic on '''p0007'''<br />
*'''Page 00014''' - replace pic, but keep the Shadow/Graffiti line<br />
*'''Page 00015''' - replace WOMP portrait.<br />
*See GA's comments on page '''00018 00019'''. [[Reviews]]<br />
*oops, lunchtime, more in a bit<br />
*okay I'm back -- Move '''RWHN's "intro to the bip" piece''' somewhere prior to the "bare minimum black iron prison" piece.<br />
*'''pages 24-30''' have a lot of images and only a little text - might want to move some of these things, or move some text in between.<br />
*'''Page 41:''' (pipe bombs) I like GA's suggestion of setting this like cut-up newsprint. Though that might neutralize LHX's clean, minimalist style.<br />
*'''page 45-ish''' - I agree with GA that we shouldn't put all three shrapnel pieces next to each other. This might be something good to mix around in the p24-30 block. Same with The Book of Dewlap piece on p 00051.<br />
*'''Page 68'''- I don't care what GA says, I love that picture. But the quote does need some help. Change it to a piece of Marginalia, or perhaps this quote from the Enrico piece: "The third ingredient is pump-action shotguns. One for each transvestite. Enrico will, of course, be holding his own beauty of a weapon, a Sturmgewehr 44 named Skippy he has had since he grew moss on his rolling stones." <br />
*'''p76''' - The upside down text also needs to be replaced.<br />
*'''p 90-91''' - again, a spread with all images no text. Swap text around to break it up.<br />
*'''p96''' - Eh, kill this pic and the quote. Replace with marginalia and... something. Same with the pic on page 100. Too much of that lolcat-style macro going on here.<br />
*'''p101''' - kill the "By SillyCybin" byline. We'll credit him elsewhere.<br />
<br />
on that note - bylines. I'm more of the mind that we should kill all of 'em? Because our inconsistency is kind of distracting. What do you think?<br />
<br />
Also, I think I should probably start a new page for notes. This page is getting waaaaaaaay too cumbersome.<br />
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<br />
====Net - Re: Cram's Review Phase 2 - 10/6/08====<br />
<br />
'''Net's comments in bold.'''<br />
<br />
Some more notes... based on GA's reccomendations, I've done some significant editing. Please re-grab the text for the following pieces.<br />
* Strange Times<br />
* Bare Minimum BIP<br />
* Dream Jam<br />
* Shrapnel Project<br />
* Pipe Bombs<br />
* Thoughts on Shrapnel<br />
* OMGASM Description 2<br />
* The Great Pope Joan<br />
* Followup to Go Mindfuck Yourself <br />
'''I'm no longer going to fine tune the typography until you guys have made up your minds about the content. I will be ignoring most critiques about body text formatting until the very end.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
New Piecess: Discordians in History, Discordia2008. Note that for that last one, we might as well change all the occurances to 2008 to 2009, as that's when people will be actually reading this. ;-)<br />
'''You know, most graphic designers would make you sign a contract that limits the number of major revisions in layout and content you are allowed to make. If you guys had finalized the content before I was involved I wouldn't have wasted a good 20 to 30 hours of my life. Just saying...'''<br />
<br />
<br />
Layout Notes: GA made some good points about some of the graphics, their repetition, etc. I don't agree with all of her comment, but here's the ones I most agreed with. Mainly it's images with IMPACT FONT macros. Not so fond of 'em. The problem is that we don't have a lot of replacement images... Maybe we can get 000 to doodle something? eh probably not. any thoughts?<br />
'''I don't think we're going to get anyone to doodle or otherwise create a significant amount of art for this book. I thought the idea was that were going to use whatever people submitted for the most part. I think the image macros should stay because they reflect a staple of discordian humor. It also accurately represents how internet-based the culture is. <br />
I can find some replacement images, but now that I'm back in school, this process is going to go even slower.''' <br />
<br />
<br />
* Replace the Pic on p0005 with something weirded. Haven't figured out what yet. :-(<br />
'''I don't want to. I like that one and I find it amusing. I don't think we should remove anything until we've found a replacement. Also see my previous comment about discordia being internet-based.'''<br />
<br />
* Replace the Sir Arthur Cone pic on p0007<br />
* Page 00014 - replace pic, but keep the Shadow/Graffiti line<br />
* Page 00015 - replace WOMP portrait.<br />
'''Replace the above, with what?'''<br />
<br />
* See GA's comments on page 00018 00019:<br />
"00018 - 00019 - Have to say, I don't really like the double-page images. I think the PD did a good job mixing the images in with the text; in the Etc, most images get a whole page to themselves. I'd rather see smaller images with bits of text inserted crooked in the margins than have whole pages devoted to them. Having a simple image one facing page of the beginning or end of an article words as a kind of "bookend" for it, especially if the article has the feeling of starting or ending a section. On the specifics: I'd only put one (at most) CYOA cover in, predicated on being able to find a good resolution version. I do like the "Illustrated by Yuo" at the bottom of this one, though. One the poem: nice. I think you want "greyfaced beings" instead of "greyface beings" on the second line though. Certainly "Get" instead of "Gets" on the last line (compare "I get" to "I gets"). As a stylistic change, I'm all for replacing all the "-ed" endings with "-'d" (e.g., "greyface'd, cram'd, touch'd) for a more vintage feel. That's just me, and it might actually be more obnoxious that way. And why are all of the texty bits like this upside down? Go for some variety - have some just at 90 degree angles, or right-aligned, etc. Don't restrict your self to just right-side-up and up-side-down. "<br />
'''Fuck that, this isn't the PD and the margins MUST be preserved for people to print this out at home. If you really want to argue this I'm going to clock you with some technical things that WILL happen to people as a result of trying too hard to think outside the box. <br />
When we finalize the content, Zarathud will be introducing more crooked elements. It's a figure/ground relationship: Zarathud's shenanigans are the figure, the orderly nature of the body text is the ground. Without this relationship, a lot of the impact will be lost. Also, the PD content was comprised of much smaller pieces so the lack of continuity wasn't problematic. Longer pieces demand more consistency for people to follow them.<br />
Smaller images are nice, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IMAGES THAT LOOK GOOD SMALL. <br />
The "texty bits" will stay predictably upside down to highlight Zarathud's chaos. I think the PD's layout sucked because they tried too hard to be random without any sort of style — this is the bad dada, IMO. Also, this would require me to consider each instance of a marginalia quote separately, rather than using a design conceit that is consistent throughout. Even with the design conceit, making it fit into the layout isn't easy, you're asking that I make this much, much more difficult AND to reduce the quality of the overall work. So request denied unless you come up with a more convincing argument.''<br />
<br />
<br />
* okay I'm back -- Move RWHN's "intro to the bip" piece somewhere prior to the "bare minimum black iron prison" piece.<br />
'''Okay.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
* pages 24-30 have a lot of images and only a little text - might want to move some of these things, or move some text in between.<br />
'''This has been addressed in the latest version. The book really wasn't in a place to show you guys another draft, but I did anyway to keep the critiques alive.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
* Page 41: (pipe bombs) I like GA's suggestion of setting this like cut-up newsprint. Though that might neutralize LHX's clean, minimalist style.<br />
'''I liked 000's suggestion better.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
* page 45-ish - I agree with GA that we shouldn't put all three shrapnel pieces next to each other. This might be something good to mix around in the p24-30 block. Same with The Book of Dewlap piece on p 00051.<br />
'''If I reshuffle this and you still don't like it, then that's going to be too bad. I'm going to give you the opportunity to specify a more particular and permanent order for them. That's not my job and this stuff is time consuming as hell.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
* Page 68- I don't care what GA says, I love that picture. But the quote does need some help. Change it to a piece of Marginalia, or perhaps this quote from the Enrico piece: "The third ingredient is pump-action shotguns. One for each transvestite. Enrico will, of course, be holding his own beauty of a weapon, a Sturmgewehr 44 named Skippy he has had since he grew moss on his rolling stones."<br />
'''This will be changed in future drafts.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
* p76 - The upside down text also needs to be replaced.<br />
'''"Replaced" is called a nonspecified verb in the context of your sentence. What does it need to be replaced with?'''<br />
<br />
<br />
* p 90-91 - again, a spread with all images no text. Swap text around to break it up.<br />
'''Again, I showed you a draft that wasn't really ready to be shown.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
* p96 - Eh, kill this pic and the quote. Replace with marginalia and... something. Same with the pic on page 100. Too much of that lolcat-style macro going on here.<br />
'''I think the lolcat-macro reflects accurately on the nature of this group as well as discordians in general. If you have something to replace the image with I'll do it, but I will replace the marginalia.'''<br />
<br />
* p101 - kill the "By SillyCybin" byline. We'll credit him elsewhere. <br />
'''Okay.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
on that note - bylines. I'm more of the mind that we should kill all of 'em? <br />
Because our inconsistency is kind of distracting. What do you think?<br />
'''Did you ask everyone if it's okay to use their stuff without crediting them? Otherwise I'm not taking them out, inconsistency is a discord's middle name.'''<br />
<br />
<br />
Also, I think I should probably start a new page for notes. This page is getting waaaaaaaay too cumbersome. <br />
'''Yeah, but please put a link to it on this page.'''<br />
<br />
[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 19:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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<br />
=== 000s review of etc_pg1-114_v7.1.1.pdf ===<br />
<br />
ok i got up to page 00053 so far. will finish reviewing<br />
the rest another time, but i'll put this out there now:<br />
<br />
pg '''00013''' "MY SHADOW IS MY GRAFFITI" is a bit weird how the light grey goes well on the white background, but not on the darker image of Geordi.<br />
<br />
pg '''00014''' same thing with the upside-down pigs or cows<br />
<br />
pg '''00019''' and the stamp of approval<br />
<br />
pg '''00022''' i think i asked before WHAT IS THIS IMAGE????? i like it but i'm so sure i've seen it before.<br />
<br />
PG '''00027''' it says "pd.com" should be "principiadiscordia.com"<br />
<br />
PG '''00036''' grey brackground thing over black foreground thing is happening again, maybe my PDF viewer (KPDF) doesnt support a filter or something. maybe it'll get better when flattening?<br />
also it's not going to have the xtra "fuck that shit, become dragon" arrow? :-/ or would RWHN not like that<br />
<br />
PG '''00041-00044''' I'm not too happy about how LHXs writing style comes out in this font. Would it be better to replace it with some old (monospaced) typewriter font or something? like if it was scanned from something turned out of a typewriter. there's probably a font that does that. also the arrow on 00043 doesn't look proper. maybe it would be better in the typewriter font, maybe it would be better to have it just scribbled over there in a black marker (as people tend to do when writing on typewriters).<br />
<br />
PG '''00045-00046''' (same as with the last paragraph on Enrico's piece btw) I'm having a littlebit of trouble anticipating that the piece continues on the next page. the text in the paragraph could be an ending in itself, and the distance from the bottom of the page suggests there is nothing more to it?<br />
<br />
PG '''00048''' is this logo not available in an even crisper resolution? ask Vex?<br />
<br />
PG '''00049''' this is a big block of text. can we have a tiny extra spacing between paragraphs?<br />
<br />
PG '''00050''' at the bottom PROTIP can we make "POSTERGASM" in lowercase and without quotes but italicized or bolded?<br />
also, what does the asterisk * after world in the before-last paragraph refer to? the PROTIP? shouldnt the PROTIP have a asterisk in front of it as well?<br />
<br />
PG '''00053''' i'd put the hand icon a littlebit down, so that the pointing finger aligns a bit more with the middle of the sentence. also horizontal spacing between hand icon and line of text could be increased a bit more.<br />
and similar to the PG 00049 comment, i'd like to have a tiny bit of extra space between the paragraphs (or bullet points in this case)<br />
oh and neither the hands not the first letters of the points are aligned vertically.<br />
<br />
===Net - Re: 000's Review of version (wiki 6) v7.1.1===<br />
<br />
1. ok i got up to page 00053 so far. will finish reviewing the rest another time, but i'll put this out there now:<br />
2. pg 00013 "MY SHADOW IS MY GRAFFITI" is a bit weird how the light grey goes well on the white background, but not on the darker image of Geordi.<br />
3. pg 00014 same thing with the upside-down pigs or cows<br />
4. pg 00019 and the stamp of approval<br />
<br />
'''I think you may want to calibrate your screen because these print out well via inkjet and laser printer as well as look fine on the screens I've examined them on. This book is primarily designed to be printed, not as an e-book, so I am more concerned with printed proofs than screen issues. If you have printed these out, please list the make and model of the printer you used.'''<br />
<br />
pg 00022 i think i asked before WHAT IS THIS IMAGE????? i like it but i'm so sure i've seen it before.<br />
'''This image is a SUCCESSFUL IMAGE (because I don't know either, but I like it too). Are you concerned that it is being used without permission? If so, as much as I like it we should dump it.''<br />
<br />
PG 00027 it says "pd.com" should be "principiadiscordia.com"<br />
'''Check."<br />
<br />
PG 00036 grey brackground thing over black foreground thing is happening again, maybe my PDF viewer (KPDF) doesnt support a filter or something. maybe it'll get better when flattening? also it's not going to have the xtra "fuck that shit, become dragon" arrow? :-/ or would RWHN not like that<br />
'''As a general rule in the print world, we just don't trust computer screens. Our first objective is a successful print file, then we can start worrying about the e-book experience. Also, what do you mean by "fuck that shit, become dragon" arrow?"<br />
<br />
PG 00041-00044 I'm not too happy about how LHXs writing style comes out in this font. Would it be better to replace it with some old (monospaced) typewriter font or something? like if it was scanned from something turned out of a typewriter. there's probably a font that does that. also the arrow on 00043 doesn't look proper. maybe it would be better in the typewriter font, maybe it would be better to have it just scribbled over there in a black marker (as people tend to do when writing on typewriters).<br />
'''I tend to agree. I've substituted American Typewriter Regular for this piece.'''<br />
<br />
PG 00045-00046 (same as with the last paragraph on Enrico's piece btw) I'm having a littlebit of trouble anticipating that the piece continues on the next page. the text in the paragraph could be an ending in itself, and the distance from the bottom of the page suggests there is nothing more to it?<br />
'''Enrico's piece was more intentional than this, it's just a mistake which I'm glad you caught now. It's one of those problems for layout. If the text body flows just over the end of the space, there is an awkward amount of text that has to be carried to the next page. I think I resolved it with Payne's piece and will continue to fiddle with Enrico's as well. <br />
We also can use the magazine convention of a particular dingbat to signify that the story is continued on the next page as well as a particular dingbat that signifies the end of the story. Since this is a "book" I wanted to see if I could get away without them, see. But if that adds to the reader's ability to easily read it than by all means I'll put them in.'''<br />
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PG 00048 is this logo not available in an even crisper resolution? ask Vex?<br />
'''I'll ask him. Just from looking at the file though, I'm pretty sure he made it in a raster program so either I use it at around 1.5 x 1.5 inches or I abuse the file like I had to do with most peoples artwork.'''<br />
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PG 00049 this is a big block of text. can we have a tiny extra spacing between paragraphs?<br />
'''I agree with your concern but not the remedy. Extra spacing messes with the continuity of the book, LHX gets away with it because the spacing is artfully variable. What I can do is lodge an image or two in there to help break it up. If there isn't a good image for that purpose I might resort to Zarathud or similar zaniness.<br />
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PG 00050 at the bottom PROTIP can we make "POSTERGASM" in lowercase and without quotes but italicized or bolded? also, what does the asterisk * after world in the before-last paragraph refer to? the PROTIP? shouldnt the PROTIP have a asterisk in front of it as well?<br />
'''I think it was just an errant asterisk."<br />
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PG 00053 i'd put the hand icon a littlebit down, so that the pointing finger aligns a bit more with the middle of the sentence. also horizontal spacing between hand icon and line of text could be increased a bit more. and similar to the PG 00049 comment, i'd like to have a tiny bit of extra space between the paragraphs (or bullet points in this case) oh and neither the hands not the first letters of the points are aligned vertically. <br />
'''Those are a placeholder for later refinements, though your criticism is valid. I was going to coordinate a more interesting dingbat or dingbat sequence across all bullet lists as well as with the possible icons that signify that the story is continued on the next page and end.'''<br />
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== [http://mihd.net/cw2khux Part I of III of the 7th Draft of Et Cetera Discordia] ==<br />
[http://mihd.net/gscpyuw Part II of III of the 7th Draft of Et Cetera Discordia]<br />
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[http://mihd.net/okq9jxh Part III of III of the 7th Draft of Et Cetera Discordia]<br />
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I had to break 'er into 3 pieces for you guys to look at her: PDF problems... It shouldn't be a problem when we send it to the printer, it's just the logistics of sharing it here.<br />
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The new font is applied, we can revert to Fertigo if you guys absolutely hate it.<br />
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<div>''Net: Can we lay out this piece like a textbook? OOH, we could set up some test questions in a box for class discussion, or add a homework assignment. (brainstorm brainstorm, making more work for all of us...) I have plenty of textbook pages I could scan if it would help.''<br />
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== Discordians in the Middle Ages ==<br />
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Discordians flourished between the fifth and fifteenth century. This was a period of great cultural, political, and economic change in Europe - change which Discordians violently shook like a colicky infant. The Queen didn't like this, and did not invite them to the Renaissance Faire. Outraged, the Discordians showed up in drag, drunk on Tequila Mockingbirds, and hit on everybody.<br />
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== Discordian Writings ==<br />
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It it not known whether medieval Discordians were literate. They commonly wrote in the incomprehensible Zwack alphabet. Discordians held that most people, even nobles and priests, were too hunchbrained to make any sense of their baffling script. Contemporary linguists and cryptologists believe Zwack to be incomprehensible gibberish, but modern Discordians hold that these hunchbrains are merely too scholarly to make sense of their blithering script.<br />
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== The Spanish Inquisition ==<br />
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In 1478, King Ferdinand of Aragon and Queen Isabella of Castile begat the Spanish Inquisition. Although it was not publicly revealed until after his death, one of Ferdinand's advisers, Peter Pie the Pious, was a Discordian saint. The inquisition was originally intended to distraction King Ferdinand from St. Pie's major project, sleeping with Queen Isabella. The inquisition rapidly got out of hand as zealots began burning heretics and making whooping noises.<br />
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Despite his sultry success with Isabella, St. Pie was saddened by these violent developments. He made a private apology to the Discordians of Spain, but it was lost on them as they were busy screaming nad burning to death. Wracked with guilt, he fell on his sword in 1490. His final words were "Fraternitas ante scortari," or "Bros before hos".<br />
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== The Dildoes of Bacon ==<br />
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Oft mentioned in the same regard as the Iron Maiden of Nuremberg or the Rack of the White Tower, the Dildoes of Bacon hailed from one of the Inquisition's more terrifying periods. Mentioned only in scribbles at the back of the first edition Maleus Maleficarum, and often dismissed as a perverted scribes joke, the horrid truth is that these dildoes ''did'' exist.<br />
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“At such time that the nobility of ::obscured:: province began to accuse each other of heresy and witchcraft for their own profit, an Inquisitor was dispatched to discover the truth of the matter. <br />
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A suspect was brought before the court and asked to confess their heretical belief and practice. When refusing, they would be foretold that they would suffer torture to extract the truth, and the dildoes would be shown unto them. At the merest sight of these implements both the stoic and the frail, be they woman or man, confessed, preferring flames at the stake to torment upon the dildoes. This is moft fortunate, for in such time as elapsed since their last employment, that no agent of the inquisition knew how for to use them in the extraction of truth. <br />
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So terrible were they to the very mind of the sufpect, that even a doughty old gentle, renowned for deed on the field of war and at the hunt, believed to be hearty and tough in every way, did faint dead away at their sight. He was revived with a draught of strong vinegar,and promptly made his confession. He met death at the stake gladly, for the sight had caused him develop a moft horrible prolapfe of the bowelf.<br />
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It should be recorded that in dimension, thee Dildoes were a score and three ::unit of measure obscured: in length, and five ::unit ofmeasure obscured:: about the circumference.<br />
May Lord God have mercy upon they who created and knew them!”<br />
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== The Salem Witch Trials ==<br />
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In 1692, Discordians invented the first game of SINK when the Queche Quidditch Qabal threw Goodwife Tabatha Comstock in the Connecticut river. When the local constable demanded an explanation, Rev. Sandwitch of Rye replied that they were testing to see if she was a witch. The constable thought this was such a good idea that he brought ''his'' wife to the river and tested her for witchiness. She sure was witchy. Tequila was passed around and things rapidly got out of hand, and soon enough, all the women in town were soaking wet. Later, they were burned at the stake.<br />
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== Guy Fawkes ==<br />
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Fawkes was born on 13 April 1570 in Stonegate, York, England. He first logged onto the internet on 16 April, 1586. He wrote several worthy posts and disappeared for some time, leaving some to ponder whether he had been jailed.<br />
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Fawkes' father Edward was descended from the Fawkes family of Farnley and he was either an In Real Life troll or a regular spag in the ecclesiastic courts, later becoming an advocate of the oppressive forum administration regime. <br />
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Fawkes was originally raised as a Sub-Genius, but in those days, you had to continue paying fees, which he could not maintain.<br />
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In 1592 Fawkes sold the Cadillac he had inherited from his father. In 1593, he enlisted in His Imperial Majesty's Elite Orbital Bombing Squadron (internet division). He served for many years as a soldier, gaining considerable expertise with expletives.<br />
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While serving in the Iron Troll Brigade, he adopted the name Guido, the Spanish form of Guy. He denied that this was a spaggy name.<br />
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("Guido's" Sig, totally not a spag.)<br />
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By 1602 he was still a total n00bler. There is some evidence that Fawkes was in considerable poverty around this time. <br />
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It's unsure how he came into contact with Winter and Catesby, but it has been postulated that they discovered him attempting to blow up a Protestant Church, whilst themselves scouting the church out for the same purpose.<br />
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It is assumed that the trio then went to the pub, as is usual when internet personalities meet up in real life. Over a mammoth drinking session, it was decided that blowing up the King would be "totally fuckin' win!", and so the conspiracy began.<br />
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Fawkes, with his expertise in expletives, was to fill the cellers underneath the Kings throne with capslock vulgarity. Meanwhile Winter would set up the webcams that would broadcast the jake, and Catesby would work on publicising the event, using IRC chatrooms.<br />
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The plan almost came off, but one of the troll channel regulars, butt-hurt after a flame war with Catesby, which he lost, called the cops.<br />
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Later, during trial, Fawkes stated that he had plotted the jake, "Fore thee Lulz".<br />
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He was Hung, drawn, quartered and IP banz0rred on 31 January, 1606.<br />
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<div><big>'''Cramulus' Wiki'''</big><br />
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This wiki is supposed to house Cramulus' various projects and ideas. It's a sort of workspace for all sorts of garbage.<br />
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== Et Cetera Discordia ==<br />
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[[Titles]]<br />
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[[Book Table of Contents]]<br />
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[[Possible/impossible Covers]]<br />
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[[Layout]]<br />
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[[Endgame Discussion]] - for internal discussion following the seventh draft<br />
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== Misc. Stuff ==<br />
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[[Creative Portfolio]] - workshop for my creative portfolio, which will get me hired by '''fabulous tycoons'''.<br />
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[[Pr0sterGASM]] - augmented mission for postergasm intending to increase its viral potential<br />
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[[spag-o-tron]] - robot to generate asinine blog comments<br />
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[[Cramble]] - an RFID game for conferences and conventions<br />
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[[Name Placeholder]] - game Cram was brainstorming<br />
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[[Argonauts]] - a Discordian ARG - work in progress</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Layout&diff=396Layout2008-08-19T15:37:46Z<p>192.234.246.206: /* Cram's Notes */</p>
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<div>== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-70_v4.1.pdf 1st Draft of Etc. Discordia] ==<br />
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Let me know what you think of the image quality if you print it out. Also note the printer model, or at least the kind of printer it is — copier, laser, inkjet...<br />
: I'll make a printout of it tomorrow at university, i'll let you know about the model.[[User:000|000]] 07:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Anything I'm missing? <br />
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000, I tried incorporating the ampersand element, but it didn't look right... If you could supply a sketch or a detailed description as to how you were imagining it, then I'll play with it some more. Have you been able to find a CS version of InDesign yet?<br />
: I'll get it ASAP (that is, before thursday evening Amsterdam time, which is the first moment i'll have real time to play with this). my basic idea was just to take the ampersand glyph, make it light grey and place it behind the "Et" in the title. maybe make it real large or something, even half falling off the page. i dunno. i'll play with it.[[User:000|000]] 07:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I left out a few images that just didn't translate to black and white, but if you're particularly attached to one that's not there, I can give it another whirl.<br />
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Also, I haven't incorporated the quotes to be sprinkled throughout, and have been scheming a much busier layout that I'll show you in a few days.<br />
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=== Feedback from 000===<br />
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# IT LOOKS AWESOME SLICK AS HELL (the frontpage) [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# Isn't the front page supposed to be in colour? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# you forgot the subtitle, "Et Cetera Discordia -- The Party at Limbo Peak". i was thinking, maybe just below the image ... except that ... the crossroads landscape is flat as a pancake LOL :) so that may not make a lot of sense hehehe. or does it perhaps make just enough nonsense to be funny? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# Actually, seeing this take form and the general style (the slanted round boxes really give me a sort of 50s feel about it, kind of fitting to the "Bob" imagery) kind of make me want to redo the drawing for the front image, i could also place the crossroads on top of a hill/mountain of course (which wouldnt make sense from a logistic point of view, but does as a metaphor) [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# I like the idea about including a teaser to entice latent-discordians to pick up and open the book. It should perhaps contain some specific keywords in the teaser. I know, in my pre-discordian days, I'd have opened any book mentioning "Chaos" on the cover, for instance. Maybe it should also mention that it's a collection of short writings? Because, knowing that it's not a long story, but a collection of short bits, would also make it more likely for me to randomly open te book and browse it a bit. [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# page 12: the BIP card. if it's a card suggesting it might be cut out, maybe not in the slanted rounded box? (even though i really, really like those boxes, so might as well keep it). Further, I think the text [dunno if you made it?] ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' can be altered drastically'' is a littlebit creepy/recruiting sounding, like an "improve your life!" ad. either go that way and make it really over the top or tone it down. a bit. How about ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' might be larger than you think'' or ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' can be upgraded with an interstellar spaceport and hi-tech robot sex slaves''. [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# ok, judging from the overall look of the book, i repeat, i love the slanted rounded boxes, but if it's going to be just like this, it's nice and consistent and the weird images can carry the weirdness of the book, but i think it needs at least one more stylistic element to make it interesting. it's kind of overall the same right now. these elements would probably be: Zarathud and short bits/memebombs/marginalia. The marginalia will work nicely, but I'm not entirely sure as of how to fit Zarathud into this clean layout? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Net 7/17 re: 000 ===<br />
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# THANKS. :D<br />
# I don't know. I can work on a color version, but if someone else makes a cooler one, we could use that instead.<br />
# Maybe you could work in a tubes and truck joke? Subtitle absence has been noted.<br />
# Thanks. I encourage you to print it out for the full effect. Also, I'd be interested in seeing you develop the cover illustration. <br />
# Looks like Cram has addressed this below... Yeah, people like to know what frame of mind to get in when approaching reading materials. <br />
# Yes, I'll try a different frame style, maybe one with scissors and dotted lines. Good call. I didn't make it. We also don't need to include it, editorial discretion, etc, etc.<br />
# I was thinking that if we do end up peppering the book with Zarathud vandalism, that the sketchy style he's drawn in, and the fact that he's messing things up would juxtapose well against a clean, consistent layout. I was thinking of adding some other graphic elements that would help reference the internet and create interest. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 23:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Feedback from Cramulus ===<br />
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some of my notes are specifically design/layout, but some are editorial. (I'll take care of those)<br />
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# '''First off''', you're to be commended for the awesome job. It's really exciting to see this project come to life like this. It looks more tangible now than I had previously imagined. I hope you've been enjoying making this stuff as much as I have.<br />
# '''Overall art style:''' When I saw it on my screen, I didn't quite get it. Now that I'm looking at a printout, it makes perfect sense. The slanted rounded boxes look (to me) like TV screens. This fits with our discussion about having the overall style be a sort of collage - reminiscent of the old PD in that it juxtaposes varying bits of media, but wiht a more modern feel. It reminds me of channel surfing late at night and seeing all this weird stuff. Perfect with the theme of the Strange Times.<br />
# '''Fonts:''' I like the fonts. It may be due to low print quality, but in the copy in my hands they seem a bit thin. Could use a slightly bloder font. Overall however, it's very inviting and easy to read. <br />
# '''Page Size''' - is this okay for lulu.com? I suspect that the two-pages per page layout we have going right now will confuse our printer.<br />
# '''Cover:''' Add subtitle: "The Party at Limbo Peak". The "abstract" at the bottom below the byline, here are some suggestions:—"Explorations of chaos, stupidity, and infinity"—"New iterations of the Discordian fractal"—"Writings from the Discordian Cyberspace Masquerade"<br />
#'''Inside:''' Leave room for a copyright page. Syn has generated a few more cover pages, one of which I think would fit well as an inner title page. (the Principia has a few, right?) Insert some room for a Kopyleft page (text to come), and an introduction page (text to come)<br />
#'''Page 6:''' change to this image: http://www.mcs.csuhayward.edu/~malek/Surrealism/magritte2.jpg<br />
#'''Page 9:''' Perfect placement for the "bob" & Hardy picture.<br />
#'''Page 11:''' Introduction to the BIP... this seems very out of context as a second piece. I think the Bare Minimum BIP piece might actually serve as a better intro to the BIP, since the names and sequence of invention are kind of extraneous to the actual idea. Could we replace this piece with something lighter? Maybe the "TAZ has ugly, retarded cousin"? it's a ''little'' lighter :-P<br />
#'''Page 13:''' Expland first occurances of BIP to "Black Iron Prison". Expand SSOOKN to "Super Secret Order Of Kabbalistic Navigators". <br />
#'''Page 19:''' Replace references to America with something more vague. We're talking about Western Civilization.<br />
#'''Page 21:''' We've got too much vexati0n / war / america stuff packed right at the beginning. If we ditch this piece, I wouldn't shed a tear. I'm in love with the graphic on page 23 though.<br />
#'''Choose Your Own Adventure covers''': need to photoshop out the author / illustrator names. Add in names of Discordian saints.<br />
# '''Page 37''' Delete Bird Jams. Replace with the piece [http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Dream_Jam Dream Jams].<br />
#'''Page 43''' Reminder to self: pick out original posters from POSTERGASM and make into graphics like this one.<br />
#'''Page 53''' Change title to "Divine Madness"<br />
#'''Page 61''' Change title to "Once Upon a Pickle Pickle..."<br />
#'''Page 66''' Remove piece - it's now a part of "Dream Jam".<br />
#'''Also:''' The Parable of Steve is in there twice. <br />
Wow, 66 pages and we've still got a lot of material to go.<br />
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=== Net 7/17 re: Cram ===<br />
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# Thanks dude. I couldn't have done it without all the work you guys already put into it. And yes, I have been getting a kick out of it.<br />
# Huzzah! <br />
# Please to note your printer model or kind of printer (laser or inkjet).<br />
# I can export the file to PDF in a number of ways, such as "printer's spreads" where it's all interpolated for double sided printing. What you're looking at is a "reader spread."<br />
# Check. How about "Short Writings and Art from the Discordian Cyberspace Masquerade"<br />
# No problem. We probably should coordinate fonts when this gets a little more fleshed out.<br />
# Ok.<br />
# :D<br />
# I think you're right. Smaller, lighter pieces first, longer pieces in the middle. <br />
# Check.<br />
# Check. '''CORRECTION! THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE DUE TO THIS LINE:''' "While we herald the bravery of our men and women in uniform at the many fronts in the War on Terror, we have effectively given our President and the Congress a blank check to spend from our reserves of domestic freedom at their discretion." <br />
::* Try "we have effectively given our Leaders a blank check..." - I mean, they a war on terror in the UK too, right? I'm not actually sure how they refer to this debacle. Eh, one or two American references aren't bad. As long as we don't go overboard I don't think it'll be a problem. [[User:Cramulus|Cramulus]] 13:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::* Yes, switch "President" for "Leaders" and it's fine, we got enough "War on Terror" going on in Europe as well, even if it's not called "War on Terror" explicitly.<br />
# Yes. I'll ditch "Support the Troops" for now and reshuffle the image associated with it.<br />
# Ok. Suggestions, pls?<br />
# Check.<br />
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# Lol, good catch. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 23:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-76_v4.6.pdf 2nd Draft of Etc. Discordia] ==<br />
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I think we're coming into the home stretch ... <br />
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Page 19 needs some love. I still haven't worked in all the quotes we have planned and of course there is the title page, table of contents (and the bottom-of-the-page indexing), kopyleft and copyright page, intro, and adding some Discordian Saint names to the Choose UR pwn Adventures, but besides those I think it's almost there. <br />
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I have made changes in accordance to the critiques except as noted above. If you compare the text typeface weight, you'll notice it's a tiny bit thicker on this version, as per Cram's suggestion.<br />
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No issue is to minute to address at this stage, so if even the smallest thing is bugging you, please get it out into the open ASAP.<br />
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I love the FNORD HODGE and PODGE dingbats Syn and other's created. I'm going to massage at least one tube of it into the coarse hairs of the Etc. Discordia's white space. <br />
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Are we still all on board for Zarathud shenanigans? All I need is about a dozen ideas and I can start working them in. Note to self: (and anyone who procures InDesign CS in the near future) 1. Copy text. 2. Paste in new text box. 3. Create outlines 4. Change text body element to paper color. 5. Manipulate outlined text for profit !!!! [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 04:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Cram's Notes 7/22 ===<br />
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# Okay, '''Overall''' - looking good, still happy with all of this. <br />
# Bold text still seems difficult to distinguish from regular text. This doesn't come up often, but see the Pickle Pickle Parable.<br />
# There are a number of pieces which still aren't included. They include:<br />
:* Hearts & Minds<br />
:* the Shrapnel Theme stuff (recently updated by RWHN)<br />
:* Liber Fru Fru (let's just grab the internet bit which has been retyped)<br />
:* OMGASM description<br />
:* Stupid Content<br />
:* Finished Cutups (other than Dream Jam)<br />
:* Zen Koans<br />
:* Myspace Monkeys<br />
:* A lot of the Marginalia<br />
::Could you make more of the marginalia look handwritten, or set at an odd angle? I'd love to see it look like it had been scribbled on, sort of like the PD. So far most of the marginalia has been set upside down, which is fine, but MOAR! Don't be afraid to break some style rules with the marginalia, it should look cutup, collage, out of place, extraneous. Like some kid got ahold of the book and wrote notes in the margins before it got sent to the printer.<br />
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'''Specific page commentary'''<br />
# '''Front Cover''': 000's piece is really colorful. I also think (and I may be wrong here), that we can get a color cover on this thing. If so, we should really blow up that image. And being the cover, let's ditch the computerized vertical-line effect thing on it.<br />
# '''TOC''': Magritte painting should accompany The Strange Times, not hte TOC. The TOC text needs to be updated into an actual Table of Contents. Instead of the Magritte, let's put in one of the ads for the party, in the propaganda thread. Or even better: that sexy image that 000 shopped up which was the forum header image. (you know, the Mount Olympus Water Park one)<br />
# '''Page 3''' Needs byline "by Professor Cramulus"<br />
# '''Page 5''' What happened to the laurel & hardy "bob" pic?<br />
# '''Page 6''' I love the font for the CHAOS section. Can we get some more of the marginalia in that font? Looks like a typewriter.<br />
# '''Page 11''' I think we should ditch this piece. It's too bad, but it's not really relevant. I talked to RWHN about it, and he's cool with it.<br />
# '''Page 14''' Good pairing of image with text. This spread (p14-15) needs some text though, would be a good place for a koan or some more marginalia.<br />
# '''Page 16''' Being the first Cutup/Zarathud piece, we need some serious zarathud here. I wonder if there's a way to graphically demonstrate that he's taken two pieces and cut them up? 000?<br />
# '''Page 19''' Switch the image here (whatever it ends up being) with the image on page 16. I'll dig around some more for some wacky MS Paint collage<br />
# '''Page 20''' Either the quote or the credit should be in ital. Not sure which matches our style better.<br />
# '''Page 22''' Good pairing of image and text<br />
# '''Page 23''' Needs a pic of Enrico. Try this one: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/porlstephenson/News/Gaddafi_Tikaram.jpg or this one: http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/CARI.Gaddafi.gif<br />
# '''Page 24-25''' This spread has very little text on it. Needs more marginalia, koan, whatever<br />
# '''Page 31''' needs attribution "By Professor Cramulus". Also: I've decided this piece works better with "O:MF" written as "Mindfuck". So it should be "Go Mindfuck Yourself" at the beginning and in the ending bit.<br />
# '''Page 39''' needs attribution "By Professor Cramulus"<br />
# '''Page 43''' ...It might be cute to draw a correlary between the Etc. Discordia and the PD. Being that this is the only game in the whole book, (which I find odd, personally) this might be a good place to do it. http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/Sink.gif - that image is from the PD's game SINK... maybe add it here?<br />
# '''Page 45''' The weird text in the Channeled Messages "Y'H-SH'RP-E-DU-DUDU-DEDA-DADA" might work better in a different font.<br />
# '''Page 45''' Change the noodle party bumper sticker to this one: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/Fred08knifefight.jpg ... these ones might also work elsewhere: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/fred08craps.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/Fred08pizzadelivery.jpg <br />
# '''Page 63''' missing some italics. Should read "I do it for '''me'''. You're doing it ''like'' me." Also, the last line "Think For Yourself, Shmuck!" should be in italics.<br />
# '''Page 64-65''' Spread needs more images<br />
# '''Page 66''' Change "O:MF" to "Mindfuck"<br />
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'''Zarathud Ideas'''<br />
Here's some ideas for what Zarathud is doing as he makes his way through the book. Zarathud...<br />
# Kicks a line, moving it out of alignment<br />
# stands on a line, making it bow or sag in the middle<br />
# has a rope or chain attached to a line, and is dragging it over his shoulder, pulling the paragraph into the margin<br />
# has put tape over a word or two and has written in FNORD. Zarathud stands nearby, holding tape and a pen, admiring his work.<br />
# is surfing on some marginalia<br />
# is driving a crane, and has lifted a phrase right out of the text. The phrase is dangling at the end of the chain, above the paragraph.<br />
# tears out a little part of a page and puts it on the opposite spread. (maybe you can see the page behind it through the "hole"<br />
# has wrinkled up a page. Zarathud looks frustrated and stands at the footer with a lot of crumpled paper around him<br />
# crosses out a byline and writes in "BY ZARATHUD" in childlike lettering<br />
# has a firehat and firehose. The edges of the page appear to be badly burned.<br />
# is rubbing his belly as if he's full. There's a big bite mark missing from the corner of the page.<br />
# page 34-35 has several pictures of screaming people. Zarathud maybe should be holding his hands on his ears, as if he can actually hear the images screaming.<br />
# somewhere I'd really love to see Zarathud putting up a poster on a tree. The pic on the posters is one of 000's nonsensical little doodles, or a portrait of Zarathud or something.<br />
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=== Net - re: Cram's Notes 7/22 ===<br />
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Just a quick comment to say thanks for the excellent feedback, this very specific stuff is immensely helpful. I don't see anything I disagree with and will start making these changes today.<br />
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The one thing that may be an issue in technical terms is violating the margins on any of the pages besides the cover. This would prevent people from printing out the booklet by themselves since few printers can print very close to the edge of the paper. While this would be no problem for a commercial printer (who would most likely be cutting the pages from larger sheets) it would impinge on the DIY aspect. I like the ideas, and it seems like most of the ones in question can be adapted to fit within the margins.<br />
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— Net [[Special:Contributions/76.115.0.95|76.115.0.95]] 19:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Moar Cram Thoughts ===<br />
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We talked about putting the Saint's names on the Choose Your Own Adventure covers. The names are:<br />
# Chaos - Patron Apostle Hung Mung <br />
# Discord - Patron Apostle Dr. Van Van Mojo <br />
# Confusion - Patron Apostle Sri Syadasti <br />
# Bureaucracy - Patron Apostle Zarathud <br />
# The Aftermath - Patron Apostle The Elder Malaclypse<br />
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'''Second:''' I realized that the correct name for day of the week is Prickle-Prickle, not Pickle-Pickle. Please update title. Mybad!<br />
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'''Third''' Let's use the Official Discordian Document Numbering system, like the PD uses. So the page numbers would be listed in five-digit format "00001, 00002, 00003," etc<br />
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'''Fourth''' I wonder if we can set the BIP card like this page is set: http://principiadiscordia.com/book/45.php ?<br />
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'''Fifth''' Other images from the PD which I like - use these if we run out of marginalia art<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/ImmanentizeEschaton.gif<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/5Pentagon.gif<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/Squiggly.gif<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/BavarianIlluminati.gif<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/Tai.gif - this one should go on "Go Mindfuck Yourself"<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/KallistiApple.gif<br />
* http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/AntiAristotelian.gif<br />
* http://pics.livejournal.com/drjon/pic/0005qpzg - not from the PD, but it's sweet<br />
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=== Net - re: Moar Cram ===<br />
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Duly noted. Those images will definitely come in handy to break up the writings I overlooked. I also have a little bit of art I could add in there ...<br />
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I could use some clarification on the fourth point. Do you want me to make a new BIP card with a looser structure? Or something more nefarious?<br />
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I need to go make some dough tomorrow and Thursday so the soonest I can make another draft will probably be Friday night.<br />
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—Net [[Special:Contributions/76.115.0.95|76.115.0.95]] 02:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Cram sez ===<br />
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'''On the fourth point:''' I'm not sure, I was brainstorming. Talking about working the BIP card into a larger art piece... but I supsect that's more trouble than it's worth, and it may actually discourage people from cutting the damn thing out.<br />
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'''On art:''' I'm starting a collection of other art: [[Misc Art]] I'd say this stuff trumps the PD art. We have this "masquerade" theme which was very present at the party, but not present in the book - so spreading out some of the mask avatars into various places would be nice. Maybe even like as an author headshot, like they sometimes do in news or magazine articles.<br />
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I'm going to try my hand at making some more collage, too. I'll try to work in B&W. And if I can will myself to do it, I might write an intro today. More notes to come.<br />
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=== Net - re: Cram sez ===<br />
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Yeah, it would be nice to at least throw in a few masks as an afterthought than have none in there at all. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 07:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== 000's very late response ===<br />
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Yo dudes, sorry I'm checking in so late, as I was on vacation.<br />
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# '''front cover''' : personally, i kind of lean towards the subtitle ''"Explorations of chaos, stupidity, and infinity"'', which may be more seducing to a non-discordian audience to open the book than the Discordian Fractal one, even though that one ''is'' a pretty good line as well.<br />
# I want to do a new version of the cover pic, one that's actually on top of a peak. Also not entirely happy with the relative lack of detail/finesse in the masked partygoers compared to the rest of the pic. I say that I ''want'', but my current todo-list is longer than ever, and filled with slightly more important RL tasks than this, but I'm going to try. I agree with doing it in colour.<br />
# I also still owe you guys a mockup/sketch/concept of the ampersand/ligature idea for the big title, which could be made a littlebit more interesting (but not too much, as not to make the cover too busy)<br />
# Sexy forum header image: I have a much higher resolution version of the shopped pic on my harddisk, it was scaled down for the forum header. Will upload.<br />
# '''TOC''' : This is going to be made to look a bit better than an asterisked list of titles, I presume? Suggest putting the authors in a lighter font-weight than the titles themselves, perhaps a discordian bullet-point thingy from the Fnord TTF font?<br />
# Can we put a picture that's actually funny and not LOLCATish (which I promise, will be old and stale within a year even if it the last act of memetic warfare I will ever participate in, so help me Goddess) instead of the "so sleepy from all the farting" one? I can rummage through my files, I think I made a selection of funny pics with Paul a couple of weeks ago, partly saved PD stuff and generic WOMPesque/shopped material I forgot to upload to the vault.<br />
# Generic typesetting remark: From looking at the first piece (Strange Times) and all the others, my eyes being a bit tired just gotten back from holiday, the text looks ever so slightly cramped, is there any possibility we can increase the '''word'''-spacing just a tiny littlebit?<br />
# '''Page 11''' : Dunno if there's any trick you can do about it, but having the title on two lines looks a bit odd, here. Unless we ditch the piece, as Cram suggested.<br />
# '''Page 18 CYOA''' : Love this one. Any possibility of perhaps shopping in Hairacles's avatar into the cover pic? It might fit.<br />
# '''Page 21''' : Love the image inset, and the particular image.<br />
# '''Page 22''' : What is that pic? Did a discordian draw it? Style comes off as somewhat familiar...<br />
# '''Page 23''' : Agree about the pic of Enrico. I'd go for the first, shiny dictator instead of the caricature. Another good idea might be to ask Hoopla if he still got one lying around.<br />
# '''Page 23''': Yes. It's important we get some of that Russian there, great way to remember that crazy trollish pre-party chaos!<br />
# '''Page 27''': Can it get a subtitle like "How the BIP got to be" or "History of the birth of the BIP" or ''"So this bunch of monkeys walk into a black iron bar ... the Discordian ducks."''<br />
# '''Page 66''': LOVE IT!! (but agree on s/O:MF/Mindfuck)<br />
# what's up with the dudes with condoms over their eyes btw?<br />
# good Zarathud ideas, will try to draw.<br />
# DIY aspect: will people really print this off for themselves? i would guess they'd either buy the book from Lulu or read the PDF from screen? otherwise might it be possible to make a "light" version for home printing? Just a few quick hacks to make it work?<br />
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=== Net - re: 000's very late spaggotry ===<br />
''My responses in italics.''<br />
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1. front cover : personally, i kind of lean towards the subtitle "Explorations of chaos, stupidity, and infinity", which may be more seducing to a non-discordian audience to open the book than the Discordian Fractal one, even though that one is a pretty good line as well.'''Ok. I tend to agree, it's a more descriptive while the discordian fractal is more of a fun idea but doesn't tell you very much about the book.<br />
''<br />
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2. I want to do a new version of the cover pic, one that's actually on top of a peak. Also not entirely happy with the relative lack of detail/finesse in the masked partygoers compared to the rest of the pic. I say that I want, but my current todo-list is longer than ever, and filled with slightly more important RL tasks than this, but I'm going to try. I agree with doing it in colour.<br />
''Next version will be in color.'' <br />
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3. I also still owe you guys a mockup/sketch/concept of the ampersand/ligature idea for the big title, which could be made a littlebit more interesting (but not too much, as not to make the cover too busy)<br />
''I think it may be too obscure a reference. Most people don't even "see" the ampersand and just think "and." The reason I think it works on Syn's cover designs (00004 and 00005) is because all of the other stuff on the cover is totally unnecessary and fun, so why not throw in an unnecessary ampersand? That said, I worked into my cover design, which by the way, is more of a placeholder until something better comes along.''<br />
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4. Sexy forum header image: I have a much higher resolution version of the shopped pic on my harddisk, it was scaled down for the forum header. Will upload.<br />
''To be used where?''<br />
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5. TOC : This is going to be made to look a bit better than an asterisked list of titles, I presume? Suggest putting the authors in a lighter font-weight than the titles themselves, perhaps a discordian bullet-point thingy from the Fnord TTF font?<br />
''Yes, it hasn't been formatted because I don't know how much space I can get away with, since I don't have a final version of the TOC to play around with. Once we have a more finalized version I'll start working it over.''<br />
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6. Can we put a picture that's actually funny and not LOLCATish (which I promise, will be old and stale within a year even if it the last act of memetic warfare I will ever participate in, so help me Goddess) instead of the "so sleepy from all the farting" one? I can rummage through my files, I think I made a selection of funny pics with Paul a couple of weeks ago, partly saved PD stuff and generic WOMPesque/shopped material I forgot to upload to the vault.<br />
''Yes. It should be the WOMPiest of the WOMP. When you find the one post it somewhere with the keyword "WOMPiest".''<br />
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7. Generic typesetting remark: From looking at the first piece (Strange Times) and all the others, my eyes being a bit tired just gotten back from holiday, the text looks ever so slightly cramped, is there any possibility we can increase the word-spacing just a tiny littlebit?<br />
''You have to print this stuff out to get an accurate sense of it. Otherwise you can waste a lot of time reshuffling things that turned out to be a total non-issue once things were printed. I'm going to bring this to two of the most experienced and anal people I know about typography and see what they say. I think the wordspacing was fine but I changed it to Garamond since Syn also has a problem with the body text. This ought to resolve any lingering issues with it, except now it's a bit more common rather than being unusual.'' <br />
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8. Page 11 : Dunno if there's any trick you can do about it, but having the title on two lines looks a bit odd, here. Unless we ditch the piece, as Cram suggested.<br />
''I disagree—it's a common occurrence in collections/varying content publications. But I suppose it's a moot point if we do give it the boot.''<br />
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9. Page 18 CYOA : Love this one. Any possibility of perhaps shopping in Hairacles's avatar into the cover pic? It might fit.<br />
''Sounds like something you could easily take care of. Here's a link to the original file:'' [http://mihd.net/0nufpe5]<br />
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10. Page 21 : Love the image inset, and the particular image.<br />
'':D''<br />
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11. Page 22 : What is that pic? Did a discordian draw it? Style comes off as somewhat familiar...<br />
''If you want to know who specifically did it, please to familiarize yourself with the list of submissions.''<br />
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12. Page 23 : Agree about the pic of Enrico. I'd go for the first, shiny dictator instead of the caricature. Another good idea might be to ask Hoopla if he still got one lying around.<br />
''Hoopla can go fuck himself. If you want to talk to him about it go ahead. I'll add it if you procure it, but I'm having nothing directly to do with him.''<br />
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13. Page 23: Yes. It's important we get some of that Russian there, great way to remember that crazy trollish pre-party chaos!<br />
''I came late. :(''<br />
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14. Page 27: Can it get a subtitle like "How the BIP got to be" or "History of the birth of the BIP" or "So this bunch of monkeys walk into a black iron bar ... the Discordian ducks."<br />
''You have to talk to RWHN if you want to start adding stuff to his writing.''<br />
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15. Page 66: LOVE IT!! (but agree on s/O:MF/Mindfuck)<br />
''I'm also playing around with some wacky typefaces, see.''<br />
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16. what's up with the dudes with condoms over their eyes btw?<br />
''Is amusing. I was amused and will continue to be amused in the future.''<br />
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17. good Zarathud ideas, will try to draw.<br />
''More hands = lighter work''.<br />
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18. DIY aspect: will people really print this off for themselves? i would guess they'd either buy the book from Lulu or read the PDF from screen? otherwise might it be possible to make a "light" version for home printing? Just a few quick hacks to make it work? <br />
''I don't think any hacks are necessary. Indesign will automatically reshuffle the pages for printing and that same PDF file can just be downloaded by people for assembling.'' [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 07:35, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Feedback from Syn ===<br />
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Net, this book is looking really, REALLY good! Well done!<br />
<br />
My observations:<br />
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==== Text ====<br />
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I agree with Cram, the font is really nice, but looks a little light for Lulu book printing (this lesson comes to you courtesy of Syn's wasted $25 - doh!). Can you use a heavier variety of the same font, or test out a different main body font all together. Possibly keep the titles and headings in this font and just change the body? - Just a thought.<br />
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==== Images ====<br />
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I love the slanted/skewed boxes, but am not sure that degrading the image quality with the vertical stripe is a good idea, it may look to some like a shoddy layout/printing job. It comes out pretty weird on my printer (Konica-Minolta Magicolor 2550DN). Some images are fine, others have moir patterns and others have vertical interference lines. If we want people to print at home, should it not be as clear as possible? From experience a good, but not over exposed level of contrast is good for image printing with Lulu. There area number of images in the SynGen books that didn't come out too well; I felt it was because they were lacking in clarity and contrast originally.<br />
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Also, I never did get the condoms-over-eyes images, but the make me snort out loud every time I see them, so I suppose they are effective in some way. :)<br />
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=== Net - re: Syn Feedback ===<br />
''My responses in italics.''<br />
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Net, this book is looking really, REALLY good! Well done!<br />
''Thanks dude. That means a lot coming from you.''<br />
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I agree with Cram, the font is really nice, but looks a little light for Lulu book printing (this lesson comes to you courtesy of Syn's wasted $25 - doh!). Can you use a heavier variety of the same font, or test out a different main body font all together. Possibly keep the titles and headings in this font and just change the body? - Just a thought.<br />
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''As I mentioned to 000 and as you'll see in the next draft, I used Garamond (Premier Pro (:fap:)) so we'll guarantee perfect printing. I also have a raging hard on for th at incarnation of Garamond and it plays off the headers better. In case you'd like to know, the headers for this latest version are Fertigo and it's a free font. The section/page number font is Telegram HPLHS, and the ransom clipping font is Anonymous Clippings, all available for free.'' <br />
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I love the slanted/skewed boxes, but am not sure that degrading the image quality with the vertical stripe is a good idea, it may look to some like a shoddy layout/printing job. It comes out pretty weird on my printer (Konica-Minolta Magicolor 2550DN). Some images are fine, others have moir patterns and others have vertical interference lines. If we want people to print at home, should it not be as clear as possible? From experience a good, but not over exposed level of contrast is good for image printing with Lulu. There area number of images in the SynGen books that didn't come out too well; I felt it was because they were lacking in clarity and contrast originally.<br />
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''Please let me know which images have interference lines and moire patterns.'' <br />
''I processed the images like that for a few reasons:'' ''One - It helps unify them across the book which the rounded/skewed boxes can't do on their own IMO, Two - It's more obvious to the eye than the plethora of JPEG artifacts present in the images, but you know you're supposed to look "through" the vertical halftone screen even when they're very coarse. Three - So by degrading the image quality a bit more it should appear intentional and paradoxically become less apparent, if that makes any sense. I'm also going to show this to some teachers at my school and see what they think and how they have dealt with low res images that needed to be printed. I'm still open to suggestions as well. I think they need to be processed in some way so it looks intentional and are unified throughout the book. As it is now, the resolution varies from proper to way subpar. The inconsistency seems more distracting than the halftone element, IMO. That said, I'll kill my baby and just use the box element for the fourth draft.'' <br />
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Also, I never did get the condoms-over-eyes images, but the make me snort out loud every time I see them, so I suppose they are effective in some way. :) <br />
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''Right?'' [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 08:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Briefly from Cram ===<br />
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Net, if you have room, can you please add this? It's my favorite piece of poetry ever posted on PD. http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=14545.msg461884#msg461884<br />
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The condoms over eyes thing was just a silly WOMP - there's no backstory or in-joke. I think it might have been a pun on the word "cockeyed".<br />
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I agree with Syn about the vertical distortion on the skewed boxes. <br />
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Hey Syn, do you know if we can get the cover printed in color? Or is that only for hardcover? I haven't really looked into this.<br />
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=== Syn replying to Cram ===<br />
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Hey Cram. Yeah, you can have the cover in full colour on any type of book. Did you find our what font the 3rd ampersand came from?<br />
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NM, I just vecced it. [http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Possible/impossible_Covers See the new cover proposals]. ;)<br />
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=== Net - re: Briefly from Cram ===<br />
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I'll make sure the poetry is in the fourth draft. Also, I haven't yet changed the names on the CYOA images, so if somebody could do that and upload the files I'd appreciate it. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 08:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-77_v5.1.pdf 3rd Draft of Et Cetera Discordia] ==<br />
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Hey, Syn, could you link to a high res version of cover #00005? I like that one the best. Maybe it could use a little more integration with the direction I've been going but, definitely dig that one. Bleeds would be good too as well as a back cover. And, if you could give me the names of the fonts you're working with and whatnot, I may be able to integrate them with the rest of the book. <br />
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[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 09:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Net.<br />
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I'm still not sure I agree about patterning the images, especially those that are meant to be copied and redistributed, although, having said that I do understand that digital artefacts are a serious printing issue, but - ''he says, pulling out a copy of Metaclysmia Discordia'' - it would seem that jpg artefacts are not a major concern for the printing process. I know a lot of those images were really crap quality, but the jpg artefacts just do not show.<br />
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As an aside, it may be worth setting up a Photobucket account for the book and mentioning in the book that there are higher quality versions available online at hxxp://www.wherever.com/etcdiscordia. Hell we could even put together an ''Et Cetera Discordia Propaganda Pack'' with all the good stuff and host that somewhere relatively permanent (''POEE?'' ;)).<br />
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Fonts Used in the cover are:<br />
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*Century Gothic - Book Titles/'Provisionally Approved...' stamp upper left<br />
*4990810 - 'DO NOT STAMP' stamp bottom right<br />
*Times New Roman (width reduced by 10%) - 'DS' in 'DS ARCHIVES'/'YOLD 3174' stamp upper middle<br />
*Times New Roman - '(Provisional)' under title<br />
*Typewriter-Regular - Discordian Services (Not a perfect match for the rest of the test so have replaced the whole thing in the latest posted version #6) bottom middle<br />
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The rest are part of the original ''SIMPLE SABOTAGE FIELD MANUAL Strategic Services (Provisional)'' cover, or pasted images.<br />
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The background layer - Mostly the original cover - was full of artefacts that were rendered sufficiently clean for printing with a few Photoshop filters. I have a printed copy of the '''SIMPLE SABOTAGE FIELD MANUAL''' printed by Lulu with that cleaned cover in front of me that attests to this, so please don't worry about remaining artefacts in the Et Cetera Discordia image. You won't see them in the print.<br />
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HTH!<br />
[[User:Synaptyx|Rev. St. Syn, KSC]] 11:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Latest Cover: [http://rapidshare.com/files/137720693/Et_Cetera_Discordia__6.png.html Version 6 (png) FULL RES] Can you give me a cover size with bleeds and a res? - Just saw the size on the covers page. Net, are you aware that isn't a size that Lulu print? http://www.lulu.com/us/help/paperback_printspecs The closest appears to be: A5 14.817 x 20.99 cm or 5.833 x 8.264"<br />
--[[User:Synaptyx|Rev. St. Syn, KSC]] 18:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I wish you were involved earlier, lol. <br />
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I've already said I'll swap out the vertically screened images for mere grayscales for the fourth version. It's time consuming but easy enough. I'm probably too close to the idea to see how my logic fails, but I trust your judgment as well as Cram's so, it will be changed. I assure you. What do you think about thickening up the rounded/skewed frames to about a 2 pt black line? Comments on the Garamond/Fertigo/Telegram combination? Can you dig the dingbat/clip art treatments?<br />
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Also, it's not too difficult to create another file where the document size is say, 6 x 9 inches (which is a lulu proportion) as well as an A5 version so people can download it and print it on their own. Good catch, but I've adapted publications to new page sizes and it's not my favorite thing to do in the world, but it can be done in a fairly short span of time. I'm going to keep working within the folded US letter size until everything is gleaming with doneness whereupon I'll transfer it to the lulu and A5 (finished, A4 flat) proportions. So if you could make the cover fit all of the above it would be most awesome, double awesome if you do the entire wrap around cover.<br />
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Thanks for all the details and prompt feedback. Highly appreciated.<br />
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[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 19:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Net, the fonts are very nice. I'll bow to your superior font-knowledge. It looks so frikkin' pro right now. I have to say the dings really set it off, the moar the bettar as far as I'm concerned (but not too much ;))! I think thickening up the frames is probably a good idea.<br />
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I'm happy to do a full wraparound, glad you liked the cover! :D Are you guys sold on the colour? I left it the same blue as the original file. I have begun editing the next version of the cover. I'm working on removing the old page background, leaving the original stamps/printing/scribbles/notes, etc to make re-sizing easier.<br />
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So, A4 wrap, Letter Wrap and whatever lulu size is decided upon... I'll do a front and a back with a separate spine, once we get to the lulu stage, then combine it when needed.<br />
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--[[User:Synaptyx|Rev. St. Syn, KSC]] 19:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== A few questions for Cram/000: ===<br />
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*Do we have a back cover blurb?<br />
*Is this going to be published through Lulu with an ISBN?<br />
*Have I asked those questions before?<br />
*Which Lulu format/size are we going for?<br />
--[[User:Synaptyx|Rev. St. Syn, KSC]] 19:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-80_v6.2.pdf 4th Draft of Et Cetera Discordia] ==<br />
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'''Please be patient with the download, I went nuts with dingbats so the file is exceptionally GYNORMOUS.''' I could have compressed the file size, but this way, you can proof any page you need to and it will be full quality. I will manually reduce excessive dingbats when we start finalizing the book, so bear with me. If the download is too excessive for your connection/computer I can post a lower quality version, just let me know.<br />
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I'm glad you dig the typography Syn, which again means a LOT coming from you. (Still impressed by everything graphic design I've seen you do.) Also testing the idea of more dingbats being better - I like the texture.<br />
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Still haven't replaced names for Choose Your Own Adventure pieces, Table of Contents will need to be formatted and Wompiest of the Womp/Intro image needs to be placed. Also, Enrico pic, Miscellaneous Comments, Copyright page, Kopyleft page, Intro piece, Title page and back cover needs to be completed. I also have not thickened up the frames. I could be missing something here, so put your editor cap on.<br />
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Besides those things, let me know what you think. I tried to appropriate Syn's cover style via deconstruction through symbolism. All vertical halftones have been replaced with grayscale and I've started smoking fucking cigarettes again, fuck! I'm dating an extremely hot girl who's into psychology like me but still have feelings for my ex-wife, advice needed. Also, I need to learn how to dance, she's big on dancing.<br />
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Also, you guys are incredible, thanks for having me on board for this thing. We still have a ways to go, but I've been drinking and feeling appreciative see.<br />
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[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 08:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I played with your cover Syn. Please to comment/spit rage at the [http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Possible/impossible_Covers cover proposal page.] <br />
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[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 23:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-80_v6.5.pdf 5th Draft of Et Cetera Discordia] ==<br />
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Still a monstrosity of a file and I presumptuously added Syn's cover I tweaked. <br />
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I think I'm officially obsessed with this project... <br />
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Choose Your Own Adventures have been changed, though I might have missed one.<br />
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Table of Contents has some shape, but the content is wildly inaccurate. When we're almost done I'll straighten her out.<br />
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Still need a bangin' intro image and intro piece, copyright/kopyleft pages, title page. Also, Cram, please doublecheck that all pieces are present, adding more is no problem.<br />
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I also gave some TLC to the dingbat textures. I can tone those down if they're bothersome. I also can tone them up a touch if some of them don't print well. And speaking of not printing well, try printing page 55, it's most likely to produce postscript errors. I'm going to go back and remove a lot of the dingbats that are coded into the PDF but hiding behind images even if everything prints out just fine. So expect problems printing samples, and know that I have a number of ways to fix it.<br />
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MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME, ITW.<br />
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[[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 02:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Cram's Notes ===<br />
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Man, you are making some killer progress. I've really been enjoying how this book has evolved over the drafts. It started off looking very clean and proper, and is finally descending into proper levels of chaos. I think the dingbats do a good job of feeling like extraneous clutter on the page while simultaneously enhancing the design.<br />
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# There are a number of pieces which still aren't included. They include:<br />
:* Hearts & Minds (by Cain)<br />
:* the Shrapnel Theme stuff<br />
:* [[Liber FruFru]] (let's just grab the internet bit which has been retyped)<br />
:* [[OMGASM_Description]]<br />
:* [[Stupid Content]] - actually, for effort's sake, let's just use The Book of Dewlap and not the form Cainad made.<br />
:* Finished Cutups (other than Dream Jam)<br />
:** that includes [[5 Minutes of Panic]], should be somewhere after Dream Jam, with Zarathud hacking it up.<br />
:** [[Street Time]], should be late in the book, heavily hacked up by Zarathud<br />
:* [[The_Koan_Thread]] Zen Koans - throw these around liberally!<br />
:* [[Myspace Monkeys]] - on second thought, barely any of this needs to be in. <br />
:* A lot of the [[Marginalia]] - toss this around liberally!<br />
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Specific commentary on stuff:<br />
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* '''The Cover''' is looking sexier than ever. Should the subtitle be "New Iterations ON the Discordian fractal"? Or is "OF the discordian fractal" correct? will research.<br />
* '''Table of Contents''' - I love the monkey siloheutte in front of the Magritte painting. The K ball and chain is sweet too. Some of the titles need fixed, I'll mention that on that pieces entry.<br />
* '''Intro Page (00001)''' - I'll get on writing this. I'll see if I can WOMP up something in B&W, too.<br />
* '''Page 00006''': I can't find the original image used here on the left. I'd like to replace the word FAGGOTRY with SPAGGOTRY, even if it's just a larger SP typed on over the F.<br />
* '''Page 00010-00011''': There's some whitespace on 10 we could use for a koan or some marginalia. I was wondering... a lot of these pieces are two or four pages - is it better to have them on their own spread? That way you get the complete idea in one visual unit, without having to turn a page. As is now, it makes for a nice tear-out sheet though. What do you think? Is there a theory behind this layout?<br />
*'''Page 12-13''': I love the pairing of the gay wango tango image with the surveillance state piece.<br />
*'''Page 14''': There's a little ROFLBOT icon in the bottom right.<br />
*'''Page 17''': This is one of those Zarathud pieces. When will we get to see some of his antics incorporated?<br />
*'''Page 18''': Can you change the illustrator at the bottom of the CYOA image to "Illustrated by YUO"?.<br />
*'''Page 20''': The Dr. Strangelove quote needs "the atom bomb" at the end. Can you set the quote attribution on its own line? The hanging Dr looks weird.<br />
*'''Page 21''': It occurs to me that Princess Madnonymus has a pretty good avatar for an author headshot: http://we.dontexist.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=57;type=avatar - but please move the LANCELOT image somewhere else rather than removing it entirely, because I love it.<br />
*'''Page 23''': here's a pic for Enrico: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/enrico.png<br />
*'''Page 31''': Title should be "Go Mindfuck Yourself". The second-to-last line of the piece should also read "Go Mindfuck Yourself". Plz adjust this in the TOC and the end page, too.<br />
*'''Page 43''': It's gonna fry some people's bacon that we're including some loveshade stuff, but they can cram it sideways for all I care. <br />
*'''Page 47''': Let's replace Freedom Isn't Free with another of the [[Vexati0n Materials]], "Survival in the Surveillance State"<br />
*'''Page 48''': COYA book illustrator should be "Illustrated by the Wrath Of MS-Paint Cabal". If possible, can you boldface the W, O, M, and P?<br />
*'''Page 70''': I absolutely love the fonts, and how this is set. But delete the word "Operation". <br />
*'''Random''': Can we fit in any more of the [[Misc Art]]?<br />
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I really love this shit. I'm glad you're enjoying it too. I'm going to keep hacking at text. Is there anywhere you feel I should pay special attention to? Like maybe picking out the best marginalia or koans? I trust your judgement in picking stuff, but I could earmark some stuff too. I'd also like to get some more actual exchanges from the forum, I'm going to see if I can isolate any good snippets.<br />
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Cram<br />
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I find it especially disappointing that the company that has benefited most from information in the public domain is leading the fight to keep their versions of those public domain works under strict copyright. Creators should certainly profit from their works, but when the creator and their spouse are dead, what right does a corporation have to the intellectual property, especially for such an extended amount of time? Obviously, the answer to this is that they have the right of political influence and graft in the form of campaign contributions.<br />
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<div>== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-70_v4.1.pdf 1st Draft of Etc. Discordia] ==<br />
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Let me know what you think of the image quality if you print it out. Also note the printer model, or at least the kind of printer it is — copier, laser, inkjet...<br />
: I'll make a printout of it tomorrow at university, i'll let you know about the model.[[User:000|000]] 07:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Anything I'm missing? <br />
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000, I tried incorporating the ampersand element, but it didn't look right... If you could supply a sketch or a detailed description as to how you were imagining it, then I'll play with it some more. Have you been able to find a CS version of InDesign yet?<br />
: I'll get it ASAP (that is, before thursday evening Amsterdam time, which is the first moment i'll have real time to play with this). my basic idea was just to take the ampersand glyph, make it light grey and place it behind the "Et" in the title. maybe make it real large or something, even half falling off the page. i dunno. i'll play with it.[[User:000|000]] 07:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I left out a few images that just didn't translate to black and white, but if you're particularly attached to one that's not there, I can give it another whirl.<br />
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Also, I haven't incorporated the quotes to be sprinkled throughout, and have been scheming a much busier layout that I'll show you in a few days.<br />
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=== Feedback from 000===<br />
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# IT LOOKS AWESOME SLICK AS HELL (the frontpage) [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# Isn't the front page supposed to be in colour? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# you forgot the subtitle, "Et Cetera Discordia -- The Party at Limbo Peak". i was thinking, maybe just below the image ... except that ... the crossroads landscape is flat as a pancake LOL :) so that may not make a lot of sense hehehe. or does it perhaps make just enough nonsense to be funny? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# Actually, seeing this take form and the general style (the slanted round boxes really give me a sort of 50s feel about it, kind of fitting to the "Bob" imagery) kind of make me want to redo the drawing for the front image, i could also place the crossroads on top of a hill/mountain of course (which wouldnt make sense from a logistic point of view, but does as a metaphor) [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# I like the idea about including a teaser to entice latent-discordians to pick up and open the book. It should perhaps contain some specific keywords in the teaser. I know, in my pre-discordian days, I'd have opened any book mentioning "Chaos" on the cover, for instance. Maybe it should also mention that it's a collection of short writings? Because, knowing that it's not a long story, but a collection of short bits, would also make it more likely for me to randomly open te book and browse it a bit. [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# page 12: the BIP card. if it's a card suggesting it might be cut out, maybe not in the slanted rounded box? (even though i really, really like those boxes, so might as well keep it). Further, I think the text [dunno if you made it?] ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' can be altered drastically'' is a littlebit creepy/recruiting sounding, like an "improve your life!" ad. either go that way and make it really over the top or tone it down. a bit. How about ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' might be larger than you think'' or ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' can be upgraded with an interstellar spaceport and hi-tech robot sex slaves''. [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# ok, judging from the overall look of the book, i repeat, i love the slanted rounded boxes, but if it's going to be just like this, it's nice and consistent and the weird images can carry the weirdness of the book, but i think it needs at least one more stylistic element to make it interesting. it's kind of overall the same right now. these elements would probably be: Zarathud and short bits/memebombs/marginalia. The marginalia will work nicely, but I'm not entirely sure as of how to fit Zarathud into this clean layout? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Net 7/17 re: 000 ===<br />
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# THANKS. :D<br />
# I don't know. I can work on a color version, but if someone else makes a cooler one, we could use that instead.<br />
# Maybe you could work in a tubes and truck joke? Subtitle absence has been noted.<br />
# Thanks. I encourage you to print it out for the full effect. Also, I'd be interested in seeing you develop the cover illustration. <br />
# Looks like Cram has addressed this below... Yeah, people like to know what frame of mind to get in when approaching reading materials. <br />
# Yes, I'll try a different frame style, maybe one with scissors and dotted lines. Good call. I didn't make it. We also don't need to include it, editorial discretion, etc, etc.<br />
# I was thinking that if we do end up peppering the book with Zarathud vandalism, that the sketchy style he's drawn in, and the fact that he's messing things up would juxtapose well against a clean, consistent layout. I was thinking of adding some other graphic elements that would help reference the internet and create interest. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 23:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Feedback from Cramulus ===<br />
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some of my notes are specifically design/layout, but some are editorial. (I'll take care of those)<br />
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# '''First off''', you're to be commended for the awesome job. It's really exciting to see this project come to life like this. It looks more tangible now than I had previously imagined. I hope you've been enjoying making this stuff as much as I have.<br />
# '''Overall art style:''' When I saw it on my screen, I didn't quite get it. Now that I'm looking at a printout, it makes perfect sense. The slanted rounded boxes look (to me) like TV screens. This fits with our discussion about having the overall style be a sort of collage - reminiscent of the old PD in that it juxtaposes varying bits of media, but wiht a more modern feel. It reminds me of channel surfing late at night and seeing all this weird stuff. Perfect with the theme of the Strange Times.<br />
# '''Fonts:''' I like the fonts. It may be due to low print quality, but in the copy in my hands they seem a bit thin. Could use a slightly bloder font. Overall however, it's very inviting and easy to read. <br />
# '''Page Size''' - is this okay for lulu.com? I suspect that the two-pages per page layout we have going right now will confuse our printer.<br />
# '''Cover:''' Add subtitle: "The Party at Limbo Peak". The "abstract" at the bottom below the byline, here are some suggestions:—"Explorations of chaos, stupidity, and infinity"—"New iterations of the Discordian fractal"—"Writings from the Discordian Cyberspace Masquerade"<br />
#'''Inside:''' Leave room for a copyright page. Syn has generated a few more cover pages, one of which I think would fit well as an inner title page. (the Principia has a few, right?) Insert some room for a Kopyleft page (text to come), and an introduction page (text to come)<br />
#'''Page 6:''' change to this image: http://www.mcs.csuhayward.edu/~malek/Surrealism/magritte2.jpg<br />
#'''Page 9:''' Perfect placement for the "bob" & Hardy picture.<br />
#'''Page 11:''' Introduction to the BIP... this seems very out of context as a second piece. I think the Bare Minimum BIP piece might actually serve as a better intro to the BIP, since the names and sequence of invention are kind of extraneous to the actual idea. Could we replace this piece with something lighter? Maybe the "TAZ has ugly, retarded cousin"? it's a ''little'' lighter :-P<br />
#'''Page 13:''' Expland first occurances of BIP to "Black Iron Prison". Expand SSOOKN to "Super Secret Order Of Kabbalistic Navigators". <br />
#'''Page 19:''' Replace references to America with something more vague. We're talking about Western Civilization.<br />
#'''Page 21:''' We've got too much vexati0n / war / america stuff packed right at the beginning. If we ditch this piece, I wouldn't shed a tear. I'm in love with the graphic on page 23 though.<br />
#'''Choose Your Own Adventure covers''': need to photoshop out the author / illustrator names. Add in names of Discordian saints.<br />
# '''Page 37''' Delete Bird Jams. Replace with the piece [http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Dream_Jam Dream Jams].<br />
#'''Page 43''' Reminder to self: pick out original posters from POSTERGASM and make into graphics like this one.<br />
#'''Page 53''' Change title to "Divine Madness"<br />
#'''Page 61''' Change title to "Once Upon a Pickle Pickle..."<br />
#'''Page 66''' Remove piece - it's now a part of "Dream Jam".<br />
#'''Also:''' The Parable of Steve is in there twice. <br />
Wow, 66 pages and we've still got a lot of material to go.<br />
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=== Net 7/17 re: Cram ===<br />
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# Thanks dude. I couldn't have done it without all the work you guys already put into it. And yes, I have been getting a kick out of it.<br />
# Huzzah! <br />
# Please to note your printer model or kind of printer (laser or inkjet).<br />
# I can export the file to PDF in a number of ways, such as "printer's spreads" where it's all interpolated for double sided printing. What you're looking at is a "reader spread."<br />
# Check. How about "Short Writings and Art from the Discordian Cyberspace Masquerade"<br />
# No problem. We probably should coordinate fonts when this gets a little more fleshed out.<br />
# Ok.<br />
# :D<br />
# I think you're right. Smaller, lighter pieces first, longer pieces in the middle. <br />
# Check.<br />
# Check. '''CORRECTION! THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE DUE TO THIS LINE:''' "While we herald the bravery of our men and women in uniform at the many fronts in the War on Terror, we have effectively given our President and the Congress a blank check to spend from our reserves of domestic freedom at their discretion." <br />
::* Try "we have effectively given our Leaders a blank check..." - I mean, they a war on terror in the UK too, right? I'm not actually sure how they refer to this debacle. Eh, one or two American references aren't bad. As long as we don't go overboard I don't think it'll be a problem. [[User:Cramulus|Cramulus]] 13:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# Yes. I'll ditch "Support the Troops" for now and reshuffle the image associated with it.<br />
# Ok. Suggestions, pls?<br />
# Check.<br />
# ?<br />
# Check.<br />
# Check.<br />
# Check.<br />
# Lol, good catch. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 23:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-76_v4.6.pdf 2nd Draft of Etc. Discordia] ==<br />
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I think we're coming into the home stretch ... <br />
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Page 19 needs some love. I still haven't worked in all the quotes we have planned and of course there is the title page, table of contents (and the bottom-of-the-page indexing), kopyleft and copyright page, intro, and adding some Discordian Saint names to the Choose UR pwn Adventures, but besides those I think it's almost there. <br />
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I have made changes in accordance to the critiques except as noted above. If you compare the text typeface weight, you'll notice it's a tiny bit thicker on this version, as per Cram's suggestion.<br />
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No issue is to minute to address at this stage, so if even the smallest thing is bugging you, please get it out into the open ASAP.<br />
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I love the FNORD HODGE and PODGE dingbats Syn and other's created. I'm going to massage at least one tube of it into the coarse hairs of the Etc. Discordia's white space. <br />
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Are we still all on board for Zarathud shenanigans? All I need is about a dozen ideas and I can start working them in. Note to self: (and anyone who procures InDesign CS in the near future) 1. Copy text. 2. Paste in new text box. 3. Create outlines 4. Change text body element to paper color. 5. Manipulate outlined text for profit !!!! [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 04:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cram's Notes 7/22 ==<br />
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# Okay, '''Overall''' - looking good, still happy with all of this. <br />
# Bold text still seems difficult to distinguish from regular text. This doesn't come up often, but see the Pickle Pickle Parable.<br />
# There are a number of pieces which still aren't included. They include:<br />
:* Hearts & Minds<br />
:* the Shrapnel Theme stuff (recently updated by RWHN)<br />
:* Liber Fru Fru (let's just grab the internet bit which has been retyped)<br />
:* OMGASM description<br />
:* Stupid Content<br />
:* Finished Cutups (other than Dream Jam)<br />
:* Zen Koans<br />
:* Myspace Monkeys<br />
:* A lot of the Marginalia<br />
::Could you make more of the marginalia look handwritten, or set at an odd angle? I'd love to see it look like it had been scribbled on, sort of like the PD. So far most of the marginalia has been set upside down, which is fine, but MOAR! Don't be afraid to break some style rules with the marginalia, it should look cutup, collage, out of place, extraneous. Like some kid got ahold of the book and wrote notes in the margins before it got sent to the printer.<br />
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'''Specific page commentary'''<br />
# '''Front Cover''': 000's piece is really colorful. I also think (and I may be wrong here), that we can get a color cover on this thing. If so, we should really blow up that image. And being the cover, let's ditch the computerized vertical-line effect thing on it.<br />
# '''TOC''': Magritte painting should accompany The Strange Times, not hte TOC. The TOC text needs to be updated into an actual Table of Contents. Instead of the Magritte, let's put in one of the ads for the party, in the propaganda thread. Or even better: that sexy image that 000 shopped up which was the forum header image. (you know, the Mount Olympus Water Park one)<br />
# '''Page 3''' Needs byline "by Professor Cramulus"<br />
# '''Page 5''' What happened to the laurel & hardy "bob" pic?<br />
# '''Page 6''' I love the font for the CHAOS section. Can we get some more of the marginalia in that font? Looks like a typewriter.<br />
# '''Page 11''' I think we should ditch this piece. It's too bad, but it's not really relevant. I talked to RWHN about it, and he's cool with it.<br />
# '''Page 14''' Good pairing of image with text. This spread (p14-15) needs some text though, would be a good place for a koan or some more marginalia.<br />
# '''Page 16''' Being the first Cutup/Zarathud piece, we need some serious zarathud here. I wonder if there's a way to graphically demonstrate that he's taken two pieces and cut them up? 000?<br />
# '''Page 19''' Switch the image here (whatever it ends up being) with the image on page 16. I'll dig around some more for some wacky MS Paint collage<br />
# '''Page 20''' Either the quote or the credit should be in ital. Not sure which matches our style better.<br />
# '''Page 22''' Good pairing of image and text<br />
# '''Page 23''' Needs a pic of Enrico. Try this one: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/porlstephenson/News/Gaddafi_Tikaram.jpg or this one: http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/CARI.Gaddafi.gif<br />
# '''Page 24-25''' This spread has very little text on it. Needs more marginalia, koan, whatever<br />
# '''Page 31''' needs attribution "By Professor Cramulus". Also: I've decided this piece works better with "O:MF" written as "Mindfuck". So it should be "Go Mindfuck Yourself" at the beginning and in the ending bit.<br />
# '''Page 39''' needs attribution "By Professor Cramulus"<br />
# '''Page 43''' ...It might be cute to draw a correlary between the Etc. Discordia and the PD. Being that this is the only game in the whole book, (which I find odd, personally) this might be a good place to do it. http://principiadiscordia.com/book/images/Sink.gif - that image is from the PD's game SINK... maybe add it here?<br />
# '''Page 45''' The weird text in the Channeled Messages "Y'H-SH'RP-E-DU-DUDU-DEDA-DADA" might work better in a different font.<br />
# '''Page 45''' Change the noodle party bumper sticker to this one: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/Fred08knifefight.jpg ... these ones might also work elsewhere: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/fred08craps.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/Fred08pizzadelivery.jpg <br />
# '''Page 63''' missing some italics. Should read "I do it for '''me'''. You're doing it ''like'' me." Also, the last line "Think For Yourself, Shmuck!" should be in italics.<br />
# '''Page 64-65''' Spread needs more images<br />
# '''Page 66''' Change "O:MF" to "Mindfuck"<br />
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'''Zarathud Ideas'''<br />
Here's some ideas for what Zarathud is doing as he makes his way through the book. Zarathud...<br />
# Kicks a line, moving it out of alignment<br />
# stands on a line, making it bow or sag in the middle<br />
# has a rope or chain attached to a line, and is dragging it over his shoulder, pulling the paragraph into the margin<br />
# has put tape over a word or two and has written in FNORD. Zarathud stands nearby, holding tape and a pen, admiring his work.<br />
# is surfing on some marginalia<br />
# is driving a crane, and has lifted a phrase right out of the text. The phrase is dangling at the end of the chain, above the paragraph.<br />
# tears out a little part of a page and puts it on the opposite spread. (maybe you can see the page behind it through the "hole"<br />
# has wrinkled up a page. Zarathud looks frustrated and stands at the footer with a lot of crumpled paper around him<br />
# crosses out a byline and writes in "BY ZARATHUD" in childlike lettering<br />
# has a firehat and firehose. The edges of the page appear to be badly burned.<br />
# is rubbing his belly as if he's full. There's a big bite mark missing from the corner of the page.<br />
# page 34-35 has several pictures of screaming people. Zarathud maybe should be holding his hands on his ears, as if he can actually hear the images screaming.<br />
# somewhere I'd really love to see Zarathud putting up a poster on a tree. The pic on the posters is one of 000's nonsensical little doodles, or a portrait of Zarathud or something.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Layout&diff=306Layout2008-07-22T19:17:42Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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Let me know what you think of the image quality if you print it out. Also note the printer model, or at least the kind of printer it is — copier, laser, inkjet...<br />
: I'll make a printout of it tomorrow at university, i'll let you know about the model.[[User:000|000]] 07:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Anything I'm missing? <br />
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000, I tried incorporating the ampersand element, but it didn't look right... If you could supply a sketch or a detailed description as to how you were imagining it, then I'll play with it some more. Have you been able to find a CS version of InDesign yet?<br />
: I'll get it ASAP (that is, before thursday evening Amsterdam time, which is the first moment i'll have real time to play with this). my basic idea was just to take the ampersand glyph, make it light grey and place it behind the "Et" in the title. maybe make it real large or something, even half falling off the page. i dunno. i'll play with it.[[User:000|000]] 07:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I left out a few images that just didn't translate to black and white, but if you're particularly attached to one that's not there, I can give it another whirl.<br />
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Also, I haven't incorporated the quotes to be sprinkled throughout, and have been scheming a much busier layout that I'll show you in a few days.<br />
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=== Feedback from 000===<br />
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# IT LOOKS AWESOME SLICK AS HELL (the frontpage) [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# Isn't the front page supposed to be in colour? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# you forgot the subtitle, "Et Cetera Discordia -- The Party at Limbo Peak". i was thinking, maybe just below the image ... except that ... the crossroads landscape is flat as a pancake LOL :) so that may not make a lot of sense hehehe. or does it perhaps make just enough nonsense to be funny? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# Actually, seeing this take form and the general style (the slanted round boxes really give me a sort of 50s feel about it, kind of fitting to the "Bob" imagery) kind of make me want to redo the drawing for the front image, i could also place the crossroads on top of a hill/mountain of course (which wouldnt make sense from a logistic point of view, but does as a metaphor) [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# I like the idea about including a teaser to entice latent-discordians to pick up and open the book. It should perhaps contain some specific keywords in the teaser. I know, in my pre-discordian days, I'd have opened any book mentioning "Chaos" on the cover, for instance. Maybe it should also mention that it's a collection of short writings? Because, knowing that it's not a long story, but a collection of short bits, would also make it more likely for me to randomly open te book and browse it a bit. [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# page 12: the BIP card. if it's a card suggesting it might be cut out, maybe not in the slanted rounded box? (even though i really, really like those boxes, so might as well keep it). Further, I think the text [dunno if you made it?] ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' can be altered drastically'' is a littlebit creepy/recruiting sounding, like an "improve your life!" ad. either go that way and make it really over the top or tone it down. a bit. How about ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' might be larger than you think'' or ''but your life experience, your 'cell,' can be upgraded with an interstellar spaceport and hi-tech robot sex slaves''. [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# ok, judging from the overall look of the book, i repeat, i love the slanted rounded boxes, but if it's going to be just like this, it's nice and consistent and the weird images can carry the weirdness of the book, but i think it needs at least one more stylistic element to make it interesting. it's kind of overall the same right now. these elements would probably be: Zarathud and short bits/memebombs/marginalia. The marginalia will work nicely, but I'm not entirely sure as of how to fit Zarathud into this clean layout? [[User:000|000]] 09:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Net 7/17 re: 000 ===<br />
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# THANKS. :D<br />
# I don't know. I can work on a color version, but if someone else makes a cooler one, we could use that instead.<br />
# Maybe you could work in a tubes and truck joke? Subtitle absence has been noted.<br />
# Thanks. I encourage you to print it out for the full effect. Also, I'd be interested in seeing you develop the cover illustration. <br />
# Looks like Cram has addressed this below... Yeah, people like to know what frame of mind to get in when approaching reading materials. <br />
# Yes, I'll try a different frame style, maybe one with scissors and dotted lines. Good call. I didn't make it. We also don't need to include it, editorial discretion, etc, etc.<br />
# I was thinking that if we do end up peppering the book with Zarathud vandalism, that the sketchy style he's drawn in, and the fact that he's messing things up would juxtapose well against a clean, consistent layout. I was thinking of adding some other graphic elements that would help reference the internet and create interest. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 23:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Feedback from Cramulus ===<br />
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some of my notes are specifically design/layout, but some are editorial. (I'll take care of those)<br />
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# '''First off''', you're to be commended for the awesome job. It's really exciting to see this project come to life like this. It looks more tangible now than I had previously imagined. I hope you've been enjoying making this stuff as much as I have.<br />
# '''Overall art style:''' When I saw it on my screen, I didn't quite get it. Now that I'm looking at a printout, it makes perfect sense. The slanted rounded boxes look (to me) like TV screens. This fits with our discussion about having the overall style be a sort of collage - reminiscent of the old PD in that it juxtaposes varying bits of media, but wiht a more modern feel. It reminds me of channel surfing late at night and seeing all this weird stuff. Perfect with the theme of the Strange Times.<br />
# '''Fonts:''' I like the fonts. It may be due to low print quality, but in the copy in my hands they seem a bit thin. Could use a slightly bloder font. Overall however, it's very inviting and easy to read. <br />
# '''Page Size''' - is this okay for lulu.com? I suspect that the two-pages per page layout we have going right now will confuse our printer.<br />
# '''Cover:''' Add subtitle: "The Party at Limbo Peak". The "abstract" at the bottom below the byline, here are some suggestions:—"Explorations of chaos, stupidity, and infinity"—"New iterations of the Discordian fractal"—"Writings from the Discordian Cyberspace Masquerade"<br />
#'''Inside:''' Leave room for a copyright page. Syn has generated a few more cover pages, one of which I think would fit well as an inner title page. (the Principia has a few, right?) Insert some room for a Kopyleft page (text to come), and an introduction page (text to come)<br />
#'''Page 6:''' change to this image: http://www.mcs.csuhayward.edu/~malek/Surrealism/magritte2.jpg<br />
#'''Page 9:''' Perfect placement for the "bob" & Hardy picture.<br />
#'''Page 11:''' Introduction to the BIP... this seems very out of context as a second piece. I think the Bare Minimum BIP piece might actually serve as a better intro to the BIP, since the names and sequence of invention are kind of extraneous to the actual idea. Could we replace this piece with something lighter? Maybe the "TAZ has ugly, retarded cousin"? it's a ''little'' lighter :-P<br />
#'''Page 13:''' Expland first occurances of BIP to "Black Iron Prison". Expand SSOOKN to "Super Secret Order Of Kabbalistic Navigators". <br />
#'''Page 19:''' Replace references to America with something more vague. We're talking about Western Civilization.<br />
#'''Page 21:''' We've got too much vexati0n / war / america stuff packed right at the beginning. If we ditch this piece, I wouldn't shed a tear. I'm in love with the graphic on page 23 though.<br />
#'''Choose Your Own Adventure covers''': need to photoshop out the author / illustrator names. Add in names of Discordian saints.<br />
# '''Page 37''' Delete Bird Jams. Replace with the piece [http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Dream_Jam Dream Jams].<br />
#'''Page 43''' Reminder to self: pick out original posters from POSTERGASM and make into graphics like this one.<br />
#'''Page 53''' Change title to "Divine Madness"<br />
#'''Page 61''' Change title to "Once Upon a Pickle Pickle..."<br />
#'''Page 66''' Remove piece - it's now a part of "Dream Jam".<br />
#'''Also:''' The Parable of Steve is in there twice. <br />
Wow, 66 pages and we've still got a lot of material to go.<br />
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=== Net 7/17 re: Cram ===<br />
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# Thanks dude. I couldn't have done it without all the work you guys already put into it. And yes, I have been getting a kick out of it.<br />
# Huzzah! <br />
# Please to note your printer model or kind of printer (laser or inkjet).<br />
# I can export the file to PDF in a number of ways, such as "printer's spreads" where it's all interpolated for double sided printing. What you're looking at is a "reader spread."<br />
# Check. How about "Short Writings and Art from the Discordian Cyberspace Masquerade"<br />
# No problem. We probably should coordinate fonts when this gets a little more fleshed out.<br />
# Ok.<br />
# :D<br />
# I think you're right. Smaller, lighter pieces first, longer pieces in the middle. <br />
# Check.<br />
# Check. '''CORRECTION! THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE DUE TO THIS LINE:''' "While we herald the bravery of our men and women in uniform at the many fronts in the War on Terror, we have effectively given our President and the Congress a blank check to spend from our reserves of domestic freedom at their discretion." <br />
::* Try "we have effectively given our Leaders a blank check..." - I mean, they a war on terror in the UK too, right? I'm not actually sure how they refer to this debacle. Eh, one or two American references aren't bad. As long as we don't go overboard I don't think it'll be a problem. [[User:Cramulus|Cramulus]] 13:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
# Yes. I'll ditch "Support the Troops" for now and reshuffle the image associated with it.<br />
# Ok. Suggestions, pls?<br />
# Check.<br />
# ?<br />
# Check.<br />
# Check.<br />
# Check.<br />
# Lol, good catch. [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 23:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/etc_pg1-76_v4.6.pdf 2nd Draft of Etc. Discordia] ==<br />
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I think we're coming into the home stretch ... <br />
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Page 19 needs some love. I still haven't worked in all the quotes we have planned and of course there is the title page, table of contents (and the bottom-of-the-page indexing), kopyleft and copyright page, intro, and adding some Discordian Saint names to the Choose UR pwn Adventures, but besides those I think it's almost there. <br />
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I have made changes in accordance to the critiques except as noted above. If you compare the text typeface weight, you'll notice it's a tiny bit thicker on this version, as per Cram's suggestion.<br />
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No issue is to minute to address at this stage, so if even the smallest thing is bugging you, please get it out into the open ASAP.<br />
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I love the FNORD HODGE and PODGE dingbats Syn and other's created. I'm going to massage at least one tube of it into the coarse hairs of the Etc. Discordia's white space. <br />
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Are we still all on board for Zarathud shenanigans? All I need is about a dozen ideas and I can start working them in. Note to self: (and anyone who procures InDesign CS in the near future) 1. Copy text. 2. Paste in new text box. 3. Create outlines 4. Change text body element to paper color. 5. Manipulate outlined text for profit !!!! [[User:Netaungrot|Netaungrot]] 04:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cram's Notes 7/22 ==<br />
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# Okay, '''Overall''' - looking good, still happy with all of this. <br />
# Bold text still seems difficult to distinguish from regular text. This doesn't come up often, but see the Pickle Pickle Parable.<br />
# There are a number of pieces which still aren't included. They include:<br />
:* Hearts & Minds<br />
:* the Shrapnel Theme stuff (recently updated by RWHN)<br />
:* Liber Fru Fru (let's just grab the internet bit which has been retyped)<br />
:* OMGASM description<br />
:* Stupid Content<br />
:* Finished Cutups (other than Dream Jam)<br />
:* Zen Koans<br />
:* Myspace Monkeys<br />
:* A lot of the Marginalia<br />
::Could you make more of the marginalia look handwritten, or set at an odd angle? I'd love to see it look like it had been scribbled on, sort of like the PD. So far most of the marginalia has been set upside down, which is fine, but MOAR! Don't be afraid to break some style rules with the marginalia, it should look cutup, collage, out of place, extraneous. Like some kid got ahold of the book and wrote notes in the margins before it got sent to the printer.<br />
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'''Specific page commentary'''<br />
# '''Front Cover''': 000's piece is really colorful. I also think (and I may be wrong here), that we can get a color cover on this thing. If so, we should really blow up that image. And being the cover, let's ditch the computerized vertical-line effect thing on it.<br />
# '''TOC''': Magritte painting should accompany The Strange Times, not hte TOC. The TOC text needs to be updated into an actual Table of Contents. Instead of the Magritte, let's put in one of the ads for the party, in the propaganda thread. Or even better: that sexy image that 000 shopped up which was the forum header image. (you know, the Mount Olympus Water Park one)<br />
# '''Page 3''' Needs byline "by Professor Cramulus"<br />
# '''Page 5''' What happened to the laurel & hardy "bob" pic?<br />
# '''Page 6''' I love the font for the CHAOS section. Can we get some more of the marginalia in that font? Looks like a typewriter.<br />
# '''Page 14''' Good pairing of image with text. This spread (p14-15) needs some text though, would be a good place for a koan or some more marginalia.<br />
# '''Page 16''' Being the first Cutup/Zarathud piece, we need some serious zarathud here. I wonder if there's a way to graphically demonstrate that he's taken two pieces and cut them up? 000?<br />
# '''Page 19''' Switch the image here (whatever it ends up being) with the image on page 16. I'll dig around some more for some wacky MS Paint collage<br />
# '''Page 20''' Either the quote or the credit should be in ital. Not sure which matches our style better.<br />
# '''Page 22''' Good pairing of image and text<br />
# '''Page 23''' Needs a pic of Enrico. Try this one: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/porlstephenson/News/Gaddafi_Tikaram.jpg or this one: http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/CARI.Gaddafi.gif<br />
# '''Page 24-25''' This spread has very little text on it. Needs more marginalia, koan, whatever<br />
# '''Page 31''' needs attribution "By Professor Cramulus". Also: I've decided this piece works better with "O:MF" written as "Mindfuck". So it should be "Go Mindfuck Yourself" at the beginning and in the ending bit.<br />
# '''Page 39''' needs attribution "By Professor Cramulus"<br />
# '''Page 45''' The weird text in the Channeled Messages "Y'H-SH'RP-E-DU-DUDU-DEDA-DADA" might work better in a different font.<br />
# '''Page 45''' Change the noodle party bumper sticker to this one: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/Fred08knifefight.jpg ... these ones might also work elsewhere: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/fred08craps.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/Fred08pizzadelivery.jpg <br />
# '''Page 63''' missing some italics. Should read "I do it for '''me'''. You're doing it ''like'' me." Also, the last line "Think For Yourself, Shmuck!" should be in italics.<br />
# '''Page 64-65''' Spread needs more images<br />
# '''Page 66''' Change "O:MF" to "Mindfuck"</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Why_I_Put_Up_Posters&diff=63Why I Put Up Posters2008-06-04T19:13:01Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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<div>I have a little brown messenger bag which waits by the door for me like a puppy wanting to go out. <br />
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In my bag, I carry a few pages of stickers, some markers, post-it notes, pope cards, my notebook, a camera, two fake moustaches, and a folder containing a few hundred posters. I like to walk around the neighborhood, putting up flyers, making changes to signs, and generally having fun.<br />
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One day, past midnight, a one-eyed bum approached me on the street. "What've ya got there?" he asked. "I seen your pictures around the neighborhood. What ARE you doing?" This question always stumps me. It's a funtime activity I've never really attached a name to other than "putting up stuff". <br />
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Searching my brain for a quick explanation, I eventually told him, "It's art," but the word stuck in my throat. Well I guess you could argue that anything is art, but I don't really consider this art. <br />
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I lay in bed that night, the question turning over in my mind: What AM I doing?<br />
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For '''one''', I'm taking back my environment and gradually transforming it into the place I want it to look like. I just like making everybody's day a little bit more surreal, and this is a really visible way of doing it.<br />
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For '''two''', I know that somewhere out there, there are other people like me. Other people who appreciate these weird little intrusions into pedestrian reality. My posters are signposts saying "I'm here, and you're not alone."<br />
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And for '''three''', it sends the message to everyone that public spaces are public property. We all modify our environment by living in it. The sounds and smells and rhythms of the neighborhood are an organic reflection of its occupants. Putting up posters is just like trimming the hedges or mowing the lawn. <br />
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Walking through the neighborhood with my bag over my shoulder, my cabal at my side, I'm reminded of don Juan Matus and Carlos Castaneda on their way to Ixtlan, trying to walk with the entities and intelligences of the desert. We're urban shamans, befriending the spirit of the neighborhood. While you go on your ventures, I reccommend this attitude, one of respect and stewardship for your environment, your companion on this journey. <br />
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I've been regularly putting up posters in this neighborhood for about a year now, and I think it's working. At first, they'd dissapear quickly, but they're staying up much longer now. I think people are either laughing at them (and leaving them up) or are getting bored of taking them down. I like the fact that when I walk from point A to point B, I get to chuckle at the cool stuff hung on the telephone poles, walls, and trees, the moustaches drawn on posters, the stickers in the phonebooths. It feels like MY neighborhood. I am having such a blast doing this, I can only hope that somebody else out there is digging it ''half'' as much as I am.<br />
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I don't have any agenda higher than that. That's why I tend to avoid posters with political or ideological propaganda on them - people have a lot of defense mechanisms when they sense someone's trying to sell them something. I just want them to stop for a second and be aware of their environment. I want to shake them, if only briefly, out of their pedestrian autopilot. And after seeing a few hudred of these signs, maybe they'll join me in modifying their environment for the better. Or maybe when they realize how easy it is to have fun FOR YOURSELF, IN YOUR OWN WAY, they'll loosen up, just a bit.<br />
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If you want to join me, but you're stuck for ideas for what to put up, search the web for our code word, PosterGASM. I've collected quite a bit of material over at http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=POSTERGASM. I also advise you to take pictures of your work and post it on flickr.com with the tag "POSTERGASM". That way, you'll KNOW you're not out there alone. There's a community of people who also dig these kinds of shenanigans, and we love it when other pranksters choose to help carry the torch into the Strange Times. <br />
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May your stapler be full and your stickers be sticky. May your streets be filled with laughter. And may your posters hang high, long, and deep.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=OMGASM_Description&diff=62OMGASM Description2008-06-04T15:12:48Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: [center][img]http://www.blackironprison.com/images/thumb/a/a9/Appleguns.png/300px-Appleguns.png[/img][/center] So if you haven't heard of it, OMGASM is one of the coolest things going on ...</p>
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So if you haven't heard of it, OMGASM is one of the coolest things going on in Discordia right now.<br />
check out its home website at [url=http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=OMGASM]here[/url].<br />
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[b]OMGASM stands for[/b]<br />
[b]O[/b]peration [b]M[/b]indfuck: [b]G[/b]olden [b]A[/b]pple [b]S[/b]eed [b]M[/b]issions<br />
It's the overall project heading for a number of pranks, mindfucks, and jakes. Each project is called a GASM. The nature of a GASM is that it's something which gets better the more people you have doing it. In a really well-designed GASM, the effect gets supercharged once the project hits critical mass.<br />
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For example, [url=http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=Colbertgasm]ColbertGASM[/url] was a project where we all wrote to Stephen Colbert and invited him to join the Bavarian Illuminati. We flooded him with mail for about a week, encouraging him to say an Illuminati or Discordian meme on the air to accept the invitation. He eventually gave us a number of signs, including saying 23 Skidoo on the air. In short, this was a project that wouldn't have worked if only 5 or 10 people did it, but had a greater chance of succeeding due to the volume of mail we sent from different locations.<br />
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In short, GASM is a Discordian code word which means "Assistance requested - this is more fun if we all work together"<br />
We see OMGASM as a way of networking pranksters so that EVEN BIGGER pranks can be launched. This is the first time in history that stuff like this has been possible. Below, I'll talk about one of the tools that we can use to stay in contact even without central leadership.<br />
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One prank brewing right now is [url=http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=AbbyGASM]AbbyGASM[/url]. The idea is that we all write to local advice columns and newspaper editors, complaining about the Discordian Meanace. If we focus our efforts into a short period of time, it's possible that news will emerge ABOUT our prank, thereby springboarding our efforts onto a higher level of awesome.<br />
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So I'd like to encourage everyone to pay attention to OMGASM, and more importantly, to start your own GASMs. If we get in the habit of helping each other out, all our projects will benefit. If we start a hundred projects, at least one of them is going to take off beyond what we can even imagine.<br />
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[b]Web 2.0[/b]<br />
One often overlooked tool is the [url=http://principiadiscordia.com/gasmfeed/]GASM Feed[/url]. This is a handy website which AUTOMATICALLY lists current events in OMGASM. THIS IS HOW IT WORKS:<br />
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The feed picks up websites which have been tagged on [url=http://del.icio.us]del.icio.us[/url], and pictures which have been tagged on [url=http://flickr.com]flickr[/url]. So go register at those two places, and you'll have ALL the tools you need to begin your own GASMs.<br />
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You just need to make up a webpage or forum-post about your project, and tag it on delicious. The code to make it work is "<project name>, OMGASM". So if your project is called FashionGASM, mark your page with the tags "FashionGASM" and "OMGASM". Any pages tagged like that will go under the heading FashionGASM at the mission feed. Likewise, if you upload a picture to Flickr and tag it "FashionGASM", the robots will pick up the image and post it on the feed.<br />
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[b]Tips on Launching a Golden Apple Seed Mission[/b]<br />
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So you've got an idea for a jake or prank or project, and you want help. Here are some tips to make your idea take off: <br />
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[li]Keep it simple. If your GASM can't be explained in a paragraph or two, most people won't have the attention to follow. [/li]<br />
[li]Make it FUN. Participation in the Mission should be rewarding in of itself. In fact, it should be fun even if you're not a Discordian [/li]<br />
[li]Make it easy for people to participate. Don't make people generate their own material or do their own research. Make it Discordianproof. [/li]<br />
[li]Expect to do most of the work yourself. Sad fact: It's not enough to build the funwagon, you've got to drive it too. Sometimes this will involve pushing it through mud and rain and harpies towards Funtown.[/li]<br />
[li]LEADERSHIP and PERSISTENCE are perhaps the most important parts of starting a GASM. This project will quickly fizzle and die unless we have people THINKING FORWARD and LEADING BY EXAMPLE. This is YOUR opportunity to lead the pack into the wilderness. Don't get discouraged if your ideas don't take off immediately. It may take 5 or 10 false starts before you hit kallisti gold.<br />
[/li][li]ADVERTISE. Go push your idea at multiple Discordian locations. See the [url=http://we.dontexist.net/index.php?topic=15.0]Web of Chaos thread[/url] for a list of places you should visit. But also use digg, stumbleupon, and other web 2.0 applications to broadcast your message to the masses. If you don't have accounts at these places, go make one. It's quick, and it increases your freedom to influence the Greater Network.[/li]<br />
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by the way, this post is a part of [url=http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=GASMGASM]GASMGASM[/url], and for my participation, I am now awarded the title of ASS, as is custom.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Book_Table_of_Contents&diff=61Book Table of Contents2008-06-04T15:12:13Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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<div>[[Channelled Messages]]<br />
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[[Vexati0n Materials]]<br />
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[[The Great Pope Joan]]<br />
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[[Street Sermon]]<br />
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[[Liber Al Vel lols]]<br />
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[[Save Money, Kill Time. Kill Money, Save Time]]<br />
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[[The Strange Times]] - opening piece<br />
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[[Go OMF Yourself]] - a bit later<br />
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[[Followup to Go OMF Yourself]] - further, halfpage<br />
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[[Why I Put Up Posters]]<br />
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[[OMGASM Description]]<br />
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[[the Shrapnel Project]] by RWHN<br />
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[[Pipe Bombs]] by LHX<br />
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[[Thoughts on Shrapnel]] by Payne<br />
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Then St. Bones posted: http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4600/ftshs5.jpg<br />
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the above four things should be spread out evenly through the book<br />
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[[Letters to the Cabbages]]<br />
<br />
[[The Parable of Steve]]<br />
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[[What if the other religions got it right]]<br />
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[[The Koan Thread]]<br />
<br />
[[Bare Minimum BIP]]<br />
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[[Welcome to Dream Theater]]<br />
<br />
[[5 Minutes]]<br />
<br />
[[Don't Panic]]<br />
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[[Space Monkeys]]<br />
<br />
[[the Evil Dead Boxset for Only $3.99]]<br />
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[[Discordian Opening Ritual]]<br />
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[[Bird JAMs]]<br />
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[[Liber FruFru]]<br />
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[[Dr Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love]]<br />
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[[The Cloved Lemon Kissing Game]]<br />
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[[Random Stuff]]<br />
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[[The Iconoclast's Manifesto]]<br />
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[[Stupid Content]]<br />
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[[How it Will Happen, by Enrico Salazar]]<br />
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[[book two of the holypoop testament]]<br />
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[[Found Another one]]<br />
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[[Hearts and Minds]]<br />
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[[Marginalia]]</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Stupid_Content&diff=60Stupid Content2008-06-04T15:09:45Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: From Cainad of PD.com The Book of Dewlap Zarath the Confused Sage was speaking with his companions during teatime (being an American, who was in America at that time, this meant he was h...</p>
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<div>From Cainad of PD.com<br />
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The Book of Dewlap<br />
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Zarath the Confused Sage was speaking with his companions during teatime (being an American, who was in America at that time, this meant he was having tea at the proper, Greenwich Mean Time when it was the middle of the working day according to his local time zone. It made no difference), when one of them asked a question of him:<br />
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"Zarath, the conundrum that we know as the 'Chicken or the egg' argument has vexed me lately. Which came first?"<br />
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Sipping his tea, Zarath realized too late that the tea was very hot, and he proceeded to burn his tongue. Unable to answer the question, he waved his hand in an attempt to get another to speak for him.<br />
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Rising to meet the Confused and now Slightly Burned Sage's needs, a perceptive young companion spoke aloud: "What Zarath means to say is that neither the chicken nor the egg seems to give a damn which came first, so we may conclude that they were born, simultaneously, from a potato bug."<br />
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Satisfied, Zarath shrugged and those present were enlightened.<br />
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Dismembership Application For Society In General<br />
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In response to the growing disillusionment with mainstream society among the intelligent, perceptive, and those who like to think they belong to either of those categories, Your Government has dutifully provided you with a means of estranging yourself from "normal people" in a quick, efficient, and safe manner. Please complete this form to the best of your ability.<br />
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1. I prefer to be labeled as (pick one):<br />
[ ] Deviant [ ] Weirdo [ ] Oddball [ ] Eccentric<br />
[ ] Outlandish [ ] Other (please specify):______________<br />
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2. I will distance myself from others by being a (select all that apply):<br />
[ ] Hermit [ ] Crazy cat person [ ] Street corner soapbox preacher<br />
[ ] Discordian [ ] SubGenius [ ] Drug addict [ ] Computer geek [ ] Furry<br />
[ ] Hippie [ ] Goth [ ] Emo [ ] Wiccan/Pagan [ ] Satanist [ ] Vegetable<br />
[ ] Catholic priest [ ] Wanker [ ] Other (please specify):______________<br />
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3. Will your estrangement be genuine, or will you be a poser?<br />
[ ] Genuine [ ] Poser<br />
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4. Explain in the space provided what makes you think you can ever actually escape from us:<br />
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________________________________________________________<br />
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________________________________________________________</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Hearts_and_Minds&diff=59Hearts and Minds2008-06-04T15:08:36Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: Welcome to the modern day war zone. Right now, as I speak, a thousand battles are being waged for your submission and allegiance. Commanders and politicians have decided that the enemy i...</p>
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<div>Welcome to the modern day war zone. Right now, as I speak, a thousand battles are being waged for your submission and allegiance. Commanders and politicians have decided that the enemy is us and that we are to be bought to heel, as soon as possible.<br />
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No doubt some of you think I'm using hyperbole, or metaphor to illustrate an example of our socially fractured society and the commodification of identity. And while those certainly are problems, anyone thinking about those in relation to my rant today are wrong. Right now, you and I are quite literally at war with at least one government, namely that of the USA.<br />
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Oh to be sure there won't be running battles with light infantry. No air-strikes are going to be called in on your house, and I'm reasonably certain you wont get carted away to Guantanomo Bay, or any other black site that exists. But just because guns aren't being loaded and blood isn't been spilt doesn't mean this isn't a conflict.<br />
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You see, war isn't about the clash of armies on the battlefield anymore. Hell, its barely even about killing, except as an advertising hook or a final solution for people who refuse to stop being a pain in the ass. No, warfare has moved through the gentlemanly period of pitched battles and low casualties, blown apart by Napoleon and perfected in the slaughterhouse of WWI. Its not even the dirty political warfare that characterized the Cold War, marked by futile superpower conflict and strategies designed to bleed a superpower by third world proxies, and on the other end of the scale by terrorism.<br />
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No, warfare today is about fighting on the psychological and narrative level. Its about capturing the mind, and shackling it to the agenda of the day, regardless of what that agenda may be.<br />
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The thing is, you see, as warfare has become less and less about artful strategy and less bound by codes of conduct – be they religious, cultural or legal – the real issue has not been arms, logistics, intelligence and skill, but about the sheer will to fight. Whoever goes on fighting the longest, whoever is willing to do what it takes to persuade the other side to accept their interests, whoever is able to effectively frame the agenda in a certain manner, is the winner in the modern world. You can even suffer strategic setbacks if your message and will is powerful enough.<br />
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And of course, if you accept this as essentially true, broadly speaking, then logically you come to the problem being people who wont get the fuck on with the message. The enemy ceases to be those who threaten certain strategic alliances, deposits of raw materials and the lives of the citizenry. No, the enemy becomes anyone who undermines that message and so weakens that will to resolve the conflict – and that person can be anyone, even your own citizenry.<br />
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Back in the day, they used to call this PsyOps. It used to only be a wartime enterprise. Dropping leaflets over enemy cities and troop formations. Doing pirate broadcasts using exiles and friendlies from the nation you are at war with to convince them of widespread resentment towards the government. Smear and ridicule important political and military leaders in any way possible.<br />
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Like I said, it used to be only a wartime enterprise. But now, thanks to the Cold War terrorism, carried to its conclusion by the likes of Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah, the difference between peace and war only exists in a legal sense. The potentially endless war on terror means actually endless psychological operations – carried out against not just the enemy, but the civilian population at home as well. The media has to hang the enemy with words and discourses and justifications before the military can do it in fact.<br />
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Nowadays, PsyOps is only one part of a much broader school, known as Information Operations. Do you operate a blog, report on the failing and lies and crimes of your country? Then you are are, according to this world-view, engaging in warfare against the state. But its not just about information per se. You have to think about this much more broadly. For example, protests. A protest is not just a protest. It never can be. Its an expression of low intensity conflict relying on moral discourses and popular expression of dissidence, aimed at bringing about a political-military confrontation.<br />
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And just where do you think something like Operation MindFuck fits into this system of ideas? Since many of us tend to think of O:MF as a way of mentally shaking people up, getting them to question their assumptions, physically deconstructing the popular discourses of the day, stripping away the bare truth hidden beneath self-serving platitudes...well, in that case, it is nothing more than a direct challenge to state power.<br />
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That may dishearten some of you. But the simple truth is, thinking for yourself, and then communicating those thoughts to others, will always be seen that way, so long as this world-view dominates. You may as well get used to it, because unless you decide to never share your views, or have a frontal lobotomy, you will almost certainly do something that could be considered an act of war. And if you get really good at it, you may even end up in a real domestic war – as the crazy elements of the thuggish far right, security services and corporate sponsored smear teams conspire to make your life hell through intimidation, surveillance and character assassination.<br />
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And to be honest, once you realize that you are in the war, a certain clarity accompanies that knowledge. You can now diagnose this uneasy feeling all of the above has been creating. You know what it is now, the nature of the Beast is discerned and laid bare. Once you know what the problem is, you can set about dealing with it. Few things are insurmountable, once you understand their purpose and context.<br />
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Unfortunately, you have little choice about this. The line has already been drawn in the sand, and you're on the wrong side. What happens next is a matter of policy, insanity, personal whim and plain old bad luck. Because you're not quite the perpetual pain in the ass that, say, Al-Qaeda is, you won't be facing the guns. You can be drowned out by voices of far-right harpies, military “experts” who 'just happen' to be taking pay cheques from the Pentagon and spineless journalists more content with attacking those who search for the truth than politicians who hide it.<br />
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There is a spectrum of responses, if you will. If you do this, the response will be that. And if you do something else, the response will differ in proportion. But like all Platonic constructs of reality, there are gaps in the conceptual definitions put forward. And it is in such gaps that the game must be played most effectively. Operation MindFuck works best in areas where they are no response. So go beyond blogging, or political protest, or pranks, or sabotage and mild acts of ontological guerilla warfare. Mix and match, be innovative, experiment and push the boundaries. And remember, even though this is a war, unconventional forces always have the advantage over hierarchies.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Book_Table_of_Contents&diff=58Book Table of Contents2008-06-04T15:08:20Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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<div>[[Channelled Messages]]<br />
<br />
[[Vexati0n Materials]]<br />
<br />
[[The Strange Times]]<br />
<br />
[[The Great Pope Joan]]<br />
<br />
[[Street Sermon]]<br />
<br />
[[Liber Al Vel lols]]<br />
<br />
[[Save Money, Kill Time. Kill Money, Save Time]]<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
[[the Shrapnel Project]] by RWHN<br />
<br />
[[Pipe Bombs]] by LHX<br />
<br />
[[Thoughts on Shrapnel]] by Payne<br />
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Then St. Bones posted: http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4600/ftshs5.jpg<br />
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the above four things should be spread out evenly through the book<br />
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<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Letters to the Cabbages]]<br />
<br />
[[The Parable of Steve]]<br />
<br />
[[Go OMF Yourself]]<br />
<br />
[[What if the other religions got it right]]<br />
<br />
[[The Koan Thread]]<br />
<br />
[[Bare Minimum BIP]]<br />
<br />
[[Welcome to Dream Theater]]<br />
<br />
[[5 Minutes]]<br />
<br />
[[Followup to Go OMF Yourself]]<br />
<br />
[[Don't Panic]]<br />
<br />
[[Space Monkeys]]<br />
<br />
[[the Evil Dead Boxset for Only $3.99]]<br />
<br />
[[Discordian Opening Ritual]]<br />
<br />
[[USA Materials]]<br />
<br />
[[Why I Put Up Posters]]<br />
<br />
[[Bird JAMs]]<br />
<br />
[[Liber FruFru]]<br />
<br />
[[Dr Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love]]<br />
<br />
[[The Cloved Lemon Kissing Game]]<br />
<br />
[[Random Stuff]]<br />
<br />
[[The Iconoclast's Manifesto]]<br />
<br />
[[Stupid Content]]<br />
<br />
[[How it Will Happen, by Enrico Salazar]]<br />
<br />
[[book two of the holypoop testament]]<br />
<br />
[[Found Another one]]<br />
<br />
[[Hearts and Minds]]<br />
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[[Marginalia]]</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Liber_FruFru&diff=57Liber FruFru2008-06-04T15:07:56Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/208/losi134tj9.jpg http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9200/losi130ch1.jpg The Infiltration of the Internet The Internet is the most significant develop...</p>
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The Infiltration of the Internet<br />
The Internet is the most significant development in the evolution of human civilization since the printing press. <br />
THe Printing press incrased the comunicative power of the individual. The internet gives the individual INFINITE potential for power of communication.<br />
The Net will become the storehouse of all human knowledge and history. It will become out immortal memory, and our second brain. (Good cause my first one isnt working too well, stupid blue screens). The Net is the soil in which our future will grow.<br />
Dont let THEM have control of <br />
The Net is the Sacred HIgh Seas of our world; The last bastion of true free range anarchy. Like the pirate seas of old, it is under constant attack by Greyface and his anal-retentive phalanx of Order-Mongers.<br />
Tjese attacks come in the form of Anti-Pornography Bills, corporate copyright lawsuits and the corruption of software companies, usally with money. The aim of this campaign is to stifle the Internet in it's infancy and forever reign it under the callous thumb of those currently in power; Greyface and the Lot.<br />
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NOW IS THE TIME TO FIGHT!<br />
You can be part of the Immortal Battle! If you wish, you can make it your SACRED DUTY AND OBLIGATION TO FIGHT THE FORCES OF TYRANNY AND OPPRESSION to fight the forces of Dark Helmet's tyranny and oppression on the great frontier that is the net. We will applaud you.<br />
If we win, we will se a future flooded with the light of FREE INFORMATION and STFU TROLL. The hoarders; the Info-Lords, will be out of a job and forced to work for a living. Copyright laws will evaporate and the artists of the world will find themselves at the total mercy of their public. So they better behave themselfs.<br />
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{{(Did you know that one of the Old time Piracy's favorite ventures was freeing slave ships? Many of the freed slaves joined on as pirates and saved further ships.)}}</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=The_Cloved_Lemon_Kissing_Game&diff=56The Cloved Lemon Kissing Game2008-06-04T15:05:50Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: by Princess Unicornia and Reverend Loveshade This holy ritual was discovered by members of the Society for Creative Anachronism, which stubbornly insists it is not a division of the Ek-...</p>
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<div>by Princess Unicornia and Reverend Loveshade<br />
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This holy ritual was discovered by members of the Society for Creative Anachronism, which <br />
stubbornly insists it is not a division of the Ek-sen-triks CluborGuild. (The SCA was founded on the <br />
anniversary of the Bavarian Illuminati in 1966 in California, just one year after Principia Discordia <br />
was first published in California, which sounds mighty suspicious to us). The ritual has five steps, <br />
naturally.<br />
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1. Someone, the Lemon Clover, inserts cloves into a fresh lemon (or some other fruit, in which <br />
case this person is the Some Other Fruit Clover. But pucker-inducing lemons generally work best). <br />
Making a pattern with the cloves is optional. Possible patterns include a heart, smiley face, the <br />
number five, the Sacred Chao, or the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. It’s generally best to prepare the <br />
lemon shortly before the game begins, although the cloved lemon can be refrigerated for a short <br />
while.<br />
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2. One person, the Giver, hands the cloved lemon to someone e would like to kiss, called the <br />
Receiver. Usually this is done at a party or other get-together, except funerals. The game <br />
generally happens while other things are going on, sometimes continuing through a whole party.<br />
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3. The Receiver then takes a clove out with es teeth to freshen es breath. If the Receiver doesn’t <br />
like the taste of cloves, e may use es hand. If played in a hot tub, declare a non-breakable <br />
container to be the Sacred Used Clove Receptacle. If played anywhere else, a clove may be <br />
deposited wherever is appropriate, as swallowing cloves can be pretty nasty.<br />
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4. The Receiver indicates the body part the Giver may kiss by offering that body part to the Giver <br />
and/or pointing to it. Usual locations are the hand, cheek, lips, open mouth/tongue. Unusual <br />
locations are left to the imagination. However, the nature of the kiss should always be mutually <br />
agreeable. The Giver should be gracious, even if the kiss is less intimate than e desired.<br />
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5. The Receiver now becomes the Giver, and goes to Step 2. This continues until your lemon runs <br />
out of cloves (in which case you may either end the game or go to Step 1), or players run out of <br />
body parts. (But body parts, unlike cloves, are reusable. And rekissible.)</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Bird_JAMs&diff=55Bird JAMs2008-06-04T15:04:35Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: by 5hroom Bob Penta Pantz A little discordian game: How to create a traffic JAM and don't stand in front of a single car. If you need to create a traffic jam, car chaos or an escape r...</p>
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<div>by 5hroom Bob Penta Pantz<br />
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A little discordian game: How to create a traffic JAM and don't stand in front of a single car.<br />
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If you need to create a traffic jam, car chaos or an escape route for some reason, and don't want to risk your neck, and no money to spend - Discordia is glad to tell you a way is found<br />
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Chose yourself a road/roads/crossing to jam close to a square or park.. Make sure the square/park/what ever has some birds hanging around. Pigeons and seagulls is great, small birds want create the same effect. Make sure you know the blocks around if the law enforcement is interfering. <br />
Start out on the park/square/... just feeding the birds with bread, gathering a larger number of birds. When You feel satisfied with the number of birds throw the bread closer and closer to the action zone... and soon you stand less then a throw from the action zone with a flock of birds at your command. <br />
To initiate the attack, throw big pieces of bread and or cheese etc into the road. The birds will start fight over them and dive/land on the road. Somehow the drivers wont smash em. And after getting the first car to stop - the after coming cars stops to - a jam is initiated! Phase two is ready to begin...: Bombard the road and cars with more bread, cheese, grains and other bird food! Get your whole pack to be involved! And their scree's and callings will make more and more birds to come, adding to the chaos. <br />
People is not used to handle animals, and don't know what the fuck for fuck and goddess sake to do! And communication or stepping out of the car is not really an option somehow...<br />
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To intensify this mess and add to its length drastically - after You got out of the action.. Spend some time searching your home for the odds and ends of your cannabis supply. Birds have cannabis receptors too! - like a whole lot of animals. So they get real fucking high even from a small dosage, or bread made from leafs and stalk you anyhow wont smoke if you or a friend is growing. Someone might think moisten the bread in alcohol is just a good idea. But a lot of birds tend to die from that, but cannabis on the other hand is kinda hard to over dosage. <br />
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Enjoy!</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Don%27t_Panic&diff=53Don't Panic2008-06-04T15:02:08Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: by Undue So you've crawled out of the darkness into our fold? Welcome. Don't be afraid. We don't hate you. You don't have to prove yourself to us. You don't need to latch onto our ...</p>
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<div>by Undue<br />
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So you've crawled out of the darkness into our fold?<br />
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Welcome. Don't be afraid. We don't hate you.<br />
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You don't have to prove yourself to us. You don't need to latch onto our buzzwords and repeat our memes to show that you're in. You don't need to proselytize. You don't need to rebel against your former life, purge it with fire and devote every moment to throwing yourself against the System. (Give us some credit here. We're Discordians, not the army.)<br />
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All we really ask you to do is laugh a little more. Think a little more. Explore a little more in places you usually wouldn't go. Talk to strangers. Listen to strangers. Do a few of those things that you thought might be neat but filed away with a "maybe someday". And whatever you do, don't get complacent.<br />
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Oh, and keep your eyes peeled for the Goddess. You'll know Her when you see Her. Chances are, She'll be laughing at you.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Followup_to_Go_OMF_Yourself&diff=52Followup to Go OMF Yourself2008-06-04T15:01:23Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: Bung Fu the Fool stood buck naked before the monk Nopants. Eventually, Nopants looked up over his morning newspaper. Surprised to see a peen at eye level before him, he spit coffee everywh...</p>
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<div>Bung Fu the Fool stood buck naked before the monk Nopants. Eventually, Nopants looked up over his morning newspaper. Surprised to see a peen at eye level before him, he spit coffee everywhere. <br />
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"Somehow," said the monk, who himself was naked from the waist down, "I was not prepared for that."<br />
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"Good morning Wise Master Nopants!" said Bung Fu cheerfully. "I did what you advised: I [b]Let Go[/b] of everything so I could learn to swim on my own."<br />
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"That's bullshit," said Nopants, pointing at bung-fu with a spoon. "You're just parading around naked because you think it'll somehow enlighten you."<br />
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"But master, that's what [i]you[/i] do!" cried Bung Fu, embarassed.<br />
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"No," said Nopants. "I do it for [u]me[/u]. [i]You're[/i] doing [i]like[/i] me. You haven't let go of [i]anything[/i]. You just grabbed [i]my[/i] shrapnel and made it your own."<br />
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Bung Fu thought about this. "Mise Waster Nopants, what am I supposed to do after I let go? I can't just let go of everything, that's not a good survival strategy."<br />
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"You're right," said Nopants. "But it's not really about letting go. It's about [i]being able[/i] to let go. It's about realizing that all that stuff you're carrying around is mostly dead weight. So learn to live without that dross."<br />
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"And then what?"<br />
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Nopants leaned forward as if he was about to whisper a lesson or a great secret. Bung Fu leaned in, eager for instruction. Nopants reached out and slapped right in the goddamn monkey face.<br />
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“So do you got any ideas about the report next week?”<br />
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The trance was broken, with poor word selection no less. As those thoughts echoed in the mind, my mouth, still performing basic social functions for some odd reason, responded in a negative colloquialism. Tony was a cool guy I guess, good in the common sense of the word, the kind of kid you’d be proud to have as your son.<br />
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“Oh, well I started it last week, after the meeting ya know, it kinda seemed to write itself.”<br />
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He tried to sell it with a chuckle, I wasn’t in the mood to purchase pleasantries. Not knowing what to respond with, I let out an unenthusiastic laugh to acknowledge that his words didn’t fall on deaf ears. Unwilling and unable to converse substantially to this jolly fellow I feigned an exaggerated oriental bow. I’m sure they all noticed the play. Ah, screw it all.<br />
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How wrong is it to wish the bus stop became the chariot sung about all those years ago by their ancestors, the unwillingly enslaved? Silly thought, shut up. You love your ribs too much to even hijack a runaway car, heroes exist on the internet. Don’t you see how complicated those branches are, how entwined and grandiose their pattern, yet still performing such a simple and noble duty. Shut up, noble is applied, not inherent. Let your stress leave with your breath. Count your blessings. You have a warm home, a stream of food, and other human beings like you. I wonder if my book came in yet? That shit is damn cool, I bet you could teach a lot of people those things. Just like the nunchaku and chaos magick and the Illuminatus trilogy? No, this is different. This one will give me real skills. Ones that will protect me the day this all falls away… So you can what, get a warm house and a stream of food?<br />
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Fifteen seconds had passed, and the bus still had not started to move. I found the least gummy chair. Five minutes later the busdriver returned, hopefully he replaced the lost fluids with a quart of whiskey. Ha ha ha fuckers, now you will be late for your sexy and city show, your mikrowavay fuud! Look, look at the nothing that seems to draw your empty eyes, yeah, pretend you didn’t see me staring at you, we both know there is nothing outside the window of interest.<br />
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Where has the fire been? Once in a while I used to see it, brimming behind the eyes of a person or two. The zeal, the dream, the power? The kind of glare that would look past your form and into your essence and both would realize that the dance had begun. The very thing that sharpened my philosophy, deepened my appreciation of the world, the one and only thing that would allow ecstatic rapture: real communication. The fire was given to me to behold by men and women of great stature - to I, one of the many. Shall I pass it? Perhaps it doesn’t matter if they can hold it or not. See here, she has a cute face and a respectable body. Her eyes are cold, she is a virgin to the blaze. If I pass it what then? Will she crumble from the poison or will she embrace and feed me, ourselves? Either way I will be sustained.<br />
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The drudgery, the sheer intolerable drudgery.<br />
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“Oh so you live where?”<br />
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Who gives a shit where I live honestly? My name is the least important thing about me or anybody for that matter. Fuck this, friendly card activate.<br />
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“I love U2 also, so cool and responsible, and their music is pretty deep.”<br />
“Oh, I never thought I’d meet somebody who liked XYZ too!”<br />
“I guess I’d consider myself a liberal republican.”<br />
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“Bob”, will this bus never stop? Trail it off, make your response times slower and slower, the thing will die naturally.<br />
“Nice meeting you.”<br />
Another chuckle. Why do people think that will improve a substance free and impersonal comment? It’s probably something I activate, hilarious. Ha ha, I am messing with myself! Go go gadget solipsism!<br />
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Ah, everything is right where I left it. What the hell am I going to do until sleep?</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Welcome_to_Dream_Theater&diff=50Welcome to Dream Theater2008-06-04T15:00:04Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: by 5hroom Bob Penta Pantz 1) Picture all events, scenes in life, stuffed on top of each other- like the bricks in strange giant Tetris- all existing Now. Watch all the I:s slowly moving u...</p>
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1) Picture all events, scenes in life, stuffed on top of each other- like the bricks in strange giant Tetris- all existing Now. Watch all the I:s slowly moving upwards, and the puny changes they make in the Tetris by different choices and doings they do. A place where the I:s (eyes) of Is is experience them selfs and each other. <br />
Welcome to the Dream Theater!<br />
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2) Picture your self as an I moving upwards (all roads lead to the top...) on your own subjective experience trip, in your own continuum. <br />
The basic mechanics is much like a Live Roleplaying Movie Theater might be. <br />
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3) Answer:<br />
Who is the Camera?<br />
Who is the Actor?<br />
Who is the Director?<br />
Who is the Writer<br />
Who comes up with the plays?<br />
Who chose the scenery?<br />
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What movie am I in? <br />
What trip is the theater on?<br />
What can I do about it?<br />
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5) What functions and mechanics do a cabbage/human play?<br />
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6) The nature of Dreams are Illusionary.<br />
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7) The Illusions are trying to change you. Change yourself as you please. Determination and persistence is great quality in the long run. <br />
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You can change the illusions. Use your Imagination and Will Power to change/evolve your dream.<br />
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9) Attraction and distraction keeps things in your dream (love & hate etc). By Accepting things they pass on, not accepting tend to make them come back until accepted or dealt with. Don't accept the unacceptable.<br />
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10) You are your own imagination. You chose who you are all the time, every event occurring. Change as you please - but those not living in the Now will probably counterfeit quick changes. Continue Choose the same for stability. <br />
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13) Chose Knowledge or Experience<br />
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15) Learning is to remember what you already know. Doing is to show what you know. Teaching is making others remember what they know.<br />
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19) To create a new flow of events or direction chose same thing in three events in a row. <br />
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21) Some dreams have priority over others. Thats on of the basis in a Zenarchist world.<br />
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22) Everything is Perfect.<br />
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23) All is one. <br />
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Official Disco.Pimp at Limbo Peak.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Bare_Minimum_BIP&diff=49Bare Minimum BIP2008-06-04T14:59:19Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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<div>'''Bare Minimum BIP as recovered from an ancient manuscript in the archives of SSOOKN.'''<br />
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1. What you think of as REALITY is a collection of ideas and beliefs about REALITY. Many of the ideas you have about REALITY come from the culture in which you were raised and have accumulated haphazardly over time.<br />
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2. This, in itself, is not a problem. The problem is in forgetting point number 1. When you forget point 1, you mistake your ideas about reality for being REALITY itself. Of this, it has been said ‘the menu is not the meal’. Please refrain from eating the menu. <br />
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3. People who ‘eat the menu’ frequently become confused and annoyed when other people insist on seeing REALITY in a different way. All that truly differs are their ideas and beliefs about REALITY. <br />
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4. Beliefs are just thoughts you keep having.<br />
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5. No living being is capable of perceiving all of REALITY, as all senses of perception are limited. Humans can only see, hear, smell, taste and feel within certain parameters. Information entering our senses undergoes compression, filtration, and distortion, before interpretation. Interpretation is what happens when information meets your ‘beliefs’.<br />
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6. For no good reason, we call this composite of Belief & Biological Limits THE BLACK IRON PRISON and is a metaphor about existence. It means that there is very little you can do about biology; however, you can choose what becomes part of your beliefs. (Always keeping point 1 in mind). <br />
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7. Each person exists within their own, unique BIP ‘cell’. The cell is composed of: <br />
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b) Belief systems – these are highly changeable. <br />
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Because of (a) the BIP cell cannot be escaped.<br />
Because of (b) your life experience, your ‘cell’, can be altered drastically. This is what we try to call ‘reconstruction’. <br />
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8. A life long commitment to continual reconstruction is known, ironically, as ‘The Jail Break’. Reconstruction is HARD WORK.<br />
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9. The collection of beliefs, thoughts, notions etc that form your cell are all equally VALID, though none are TRUE in the sense that they “are” REALITY. However, some beliefs and ideas are more useful than others in specific situations. It is up to the individual to decide which beliefs and ideas they should employ in a given situation. <br />
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10. Some people believe that the term BLACK IRON PRISON is dark, bleak, depressing and even frightening. If you prefer, use the term GOLDEN SPHERE of POSSIBILITY (GSP) instead. It means exactly the same thing as BIP and all points still apply. <br />
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11. BIP (or GSP) can be philosophical antidote to dogmatism.<br />
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''You are cordially invited to a Jail Break.''<br />
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1. What you think of as REALITY is a collection of ideas and beliefs about REALITY. Many of the ideas you have about REALITY come from the culture in which you were raised and have accumulated haphazardly over time.<br />
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2. This, in itself, is not a problem. The problem is in forgetting point number 1. When you forget point 1, you mistake your ideas about reality for being REALITY itself. Of this, it has been said ‘the menu is not the meal’. Please refrain from eating the menu. <br />
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3. People who ‘eat the menu’ frequently become confused and annoyed when other people insist on seeing REALITY in a different way. All that truly differs are their ideas and beliefs about REALITY. <br />
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4. Beliefs are just thoughts you keep having.<br />
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5. No living being is capable of perceiving all of REALITY, as all senses of perception are limited. Humans can only see, hear, smell, taste and feel within certain parameters. Information entering our senses undergoes compression, filtration, and distortion, before interpretation. Interpretation is what happens when information meets your ‘beliefs’.<br />
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6. For no good reason, we call this composite of Belief & Biological Limits THE BLACK IRON PRISON and is a metaphor about existence. It means that there is very little you can do about biology; however, you can choose what becomes part of your beliefs. (Always keeping point 1 in mind). <br />
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7. Each person exists within their own, unique BIP ‘cell’. The cell is composed of: <br />
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a) Biological limits – these are largely unchangeable.<br />
b) Belief systems – these are highly changeable. <br />
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Because of (a) the BIP cell cannot be escaped.<br />
Because of (b) your life experience, your ‘cell’, can be altered drastically. This is what we try to call ‘reconstruction’. <br />
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8. A life long commitment to continual reconstruction is known, ironically, as ‘The Jail Break’. Reconstruction is HARD WORK.<br />
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9. The collection of beliefs, thoughts, notions etc that form your cell are all equally VALID, though none are TRUE in the sense that they “are” REALITY. However, some beliefs and ideas are more useful than others in specific situations. It is up to the individual to decide which beliefs and ideas they should employ in a given situation. <br />
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10. Some people believe that the term BLACK IRON PRISON is dark, bleak, depressing and even frightening. If you prefer, use the term GOLDEN SPHERE of POSSIBILITY (GSP) instead. It means exactly the same thing as BIP and all points still apply. <br />
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11. BIP (or GSP) can be philosophical antidote to dogmatism.<br />
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''You are cordially invited to a Jail Break.''</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=The_Koan_Thread&diff=47The Koan Thread2008-06-04T14:57:54Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: Mal2 asked a well endowed blonde student of Discordia, "Where do you come from?" The blonde student of Discordia replied, "I am from here." Mal2 said: "Do you think here is any different t...</p>
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special advice, Mal2?" Mal2 said, "It is not enough to say that one is here or there, you must also know that you are now not then, that you are I not thee, that you are coming not foreplaying. Your insight shows that you have obtained one side of the mystery. Sit down, get your clothes off – from now on you see by yourself." She ended by saying “I was born to atone for my sins.” And atoned she did.<br />
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A disciple entirely sick of normal teachings sought enlightenment at the foot of a self proclaimed master.<br />
Meeting the master at a park bench, the student heeded the words of a hand lettered sign on a disused case of beer, and handed $40.00 to the holy one.<br />
"Let me ask you this:", began the student, feeling now entitled to a certain lesson.<br />
"No.", replied the master, as he tucked away the bills.<br />
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"Yes, but my questions is...", he began again.<br />
"It isn't. You fool youself.", came the reply.<br />
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Once his blood pressure fell, feeling quite humbled, the student bowed and left, pondering what had occured. <br />
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The Zen Master carefully approached the Discordian, being aware of their erratic temperment. Before he could speak, the Discordian spun around and asked the Zen Master, "Does the Goddess Eris have Buddha-Nature?"<br />
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The Zen Master smiled and said, "Mu!"<br />
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The Discordian looked the Zen Master in the eyes and said, "What the fuck is that supposed to mean?"<br />
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The Zen Master smiled and said, "Mu!"<br />
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The Discordian stood and said, "No, man. I'm serious. What the fuck does that mean? Are you retarded or something?"<br />
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The Zen Master smiled and said, "Mu!"<br />
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The Discordian snatched the Zen Master's walking stick away from him and said, raising his voice, "Say 'Mu' Again. Say 'Mu' again. I dare you. I double-dare you, motherfucker! Say 'Mu' one more God damn time!"<br />
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The Zen Master was no longer smiling, but was holding up his shaking hands defensively and said, "Mu?"<br />
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The Discordian moved closer, savagely striking the Zen Master with his own stick, all the time shouting, "Is the Goddess Eris a beautiful blonde with big tits and an ass that tastes like French vanilla ice cream? Answer me!" <br />
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Discordia is the one true thing While other Gods and Godesses exist there demands and teachings to mankind are just full of crap so they hadrly deserve to be given a second thought by any serious thinker and philosopher. But what if -O! The horror- one of them was actually the right one. Visions of nightmare in a world that is merely learning to tame the process of decaying fruits and the production of alcohol ....<br />
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== The Expanse of the Universe and other such Preposterous Perceptions ==<br />
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God created Adam unto the Earth<br />
And with a French kiss, tongues touching, he gave him the breath of life<br />
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Adam shrugged and stretched and let out a yawn<br />
He scratched his bum and let out a fart<br />
He said: You will do this in memory of me<br />
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The Universe, a whole organic entity endowed with an exquisite sense of aesthetics and a mightily attuned sense of smell, took offence of such behavior<br />
And, away from this pungent prickly unshaven individual, so rude,<br />
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The redshift when examining far away star<br />
Is a result of the universe holding its breath for the smell<br />
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This shall be known as the original fart by those in the know<br />
As the big bang for those left guessing<br />
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In his defense Adam had one thing to say<br />
Shit makes the flowers grow and that is beautyful<br />
Chill out man!, he thought, We have a long ways to go …<br />
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In the garden of Eden, God gave many advice to Adam<br />
One being “Be careful what you wish for, you WILL get it.”<br />
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Upon entering Eden, Eve misheard “Expanse of the Universe” for “Expensive Universe” So instead of heading straight home she hurried to the shopping mall and bought these serpent leather shoes she saw on sale at Cromagnon’s stand<br />
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Left to himself without any meal prepared for supper Adam wonderd and pondered<br />
Man do I feel hungover! This whole being created thingy is rougher than it appears<br />
What was it that weird voice in my head said about this red fruit here …<br />
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How bizarre! Only half a worm seems to live in this apple!<br />
Where could the other half be?<br />
That sure does not feel like a contended Chao<br />
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This was the first Erisian mysteree that man confronted<br />
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It was to be solved quickly when Eve came back home<br />
Idiot! You ate the other half of the worm! said Eve<br />
Can’t you be more careful<br />
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You are forbidden from eating off of this three ever again<br />
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Heavy!, thought Adam, I will be in the field crushing rotten berries …<br />
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Celine reared back as if I had waved offal under his nose. "Objectivists?" he pronounced the word as if I had accused him of being a child-molester. "We're anarchists and outlaws, goddam it. Didn't you understand that much? We've got nothing to do with right-wing, left-wing or any other half-assed political category. If you work within the system, you come to one of the either/or choices that were implicit in the system from the beginning. You're talking like a medieval serf, asking the first agnostic whether he worships God or the Devil. We're outside the system's categories. You'll never get the hang of our game if you keep thinking in flat-earth imagery of right and left, good and evil, up and down. If you need a group label for us, we're political non-Euclideans. But even that's not true. Sink me, nobody of this tub agrees with anybody else about anything, except maybe what the fellow with the horns told the old man in the clouds: Non serviam."<br />
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Robert Anton Wilson, ''Illuminatus''!<br />
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Here in the Strange Times, there's a million billion crawly little critters trying to ride you down the river. See, you're floating through chaotic, shrapnel filled rapids. The foamy waters are brimming with symbols and images and squiggles and good causes. It's easy to cling to one like a life preserver and ride it for all its worth. You're clinging to some right now. You are a sticky meme, and you're trying to stay afloat. It's only human. <br />
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The first part of the Golden Secret is to [b]Let Go.[/b]<br />
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You grabbed onto that that symbol and that in-joke and that good cause because they were at the right place at the right time. When you're receptive, it's convenient to get on a raft made of religion or politics or some other made-up ideology. It's easy to assemble an identity out of tastes and values and shrapnel floating by. Over time, some of that stuff stops supporting your weight. Right when you're about to go under, you reach out and grab onto some other piece of shrapnel. You cling to it and use it to hold your head above the waters. At some point, you saw some stuff and met some people, and their shtick appealed to you, and you internalized it, and now you think that stuff is a [i]part of you.[/i] <br />
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Fast forward to the present: you're riding down the river in a barrel, your knuckles white as they grip your life preservers. Your pockets are stuffed with photographs, and there's cultural water in your ears. Let GO already. You don't need that crap. That's somebody else's crap. Learn to swim on your own.<br />
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The second part of the Golden Secret is to [b]Ignite Yourself, While There's Still Time.[/b]<br />
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I'm advocating activism. I don't reccommend you go find a [i]cause[/i] (or some other bullshit) to serve, I'm reccommending you get up, get out, and DO something. They've got you trained like a circus lion to watch the world and then react to it. They want you to be a passive observer. The face on the money has you trained like Pavlov's dog. That's how the Machine works. It's made of perfectly predictable parts. <br />
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You could get bored. You could get numb. You could be alone in a sea of people. These are the dangers of modern living.<br />
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There's something out there which will make you excited just to wake up in the morning, and it's [i]not[/i] spending your hard earned money on the latest You've-Gotta-See-This blockbuster. That shrapnel is just a distraction. The voices of the cultural chorus are a distraction too, because really, you're [i]not[/i] one of Them.<br />
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You're a freak. You're weird in ways not even your best friends can understand. This is the Strange Times, and there are no groups of people, only individuals standing next to each other. <br />
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There's somebody in your life who you look to for direction. The one with the plan. The one who has great ideas. The one who seems to know what's going on. Kill him. Take his job. Become him. Quit waiting for somebody else to come up with something fun to do. Quit waiting for rock bottom or some other excuse to change what you don't like about yourself. Cough up all the water in your lungs and BREATHE you'll drown if you don't BREATHE for the first time ever BREATHE.<br />
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This isn't a lesson you can learn once and internalize. This is an ongoing challenge to [u]constantly reinvent yourself[/u]. This is a neverending battle you must wage against your comfort and your identity. If you think you've learned this lesson, then you stink of complacency. Initiation [i]never[/i] ends. <br />
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Keep moving. Stay kinetic. <br />
Be the trouble you want to see in the world. <br />
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Go O:MF yourself.<br />
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Hail Eris<br />
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There was an afternoon one summer when a young man we will call “Steve” happened upon a book like no other he had read. It was on the shelf in his local alternative bookstore, and it was called the “Principia Discordia”.<br />
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Steve had always thought himself to be quite the rebellious young man, always speaking out about the Man and the System, but with a sense of HUMOR, goddamnit, a sense of ABSURDITY unlike everyone else he knew; this book, he said to himself, is Important. It finally tells me what I am…I am a Discordian. I must find the others!<br />
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It took Steve some time to find other Discordians, time during which he renamed himself Pope Buttercup XXIII. He felt that quite a fitting name for a Discordian. He prided himself in his sense of Absurdity, and especially his skills in Randomness, which he practiced by memorizing passages from the Principia.<br />
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He learned on the Internet that the Discordian Society near him met monthly in a café downtown, and after his months of searching he determined the date and the time, and arranged to present himself to them. When he arrived, he found the place nearly deserted except for a group of ten or twelve people clustered in a back corner, arguing. They were of all descriptions, these people; no two seemed to have anything in common, even their styles of dress; they ranged from the glowering pierced goth chick at one corner, who was seated beside a neatly-groomed silver-haired man in a rather nice suit, to the plump middle-aged matron in a V-necked rayon sweater, to the lively trenchcoat geek thumping his opinion about something-or-other loudly in the middle of the table. <br />
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Steve said to himself, “These are my people?”<br />
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“What a motley crew… well, they’re Discordians, I know how to show them I’m One Of Them.”<br />
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He stepped up to the table. <br />
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“23PINEALFNORD!” he said boldly, “I am Pope Buttercup XXIII! I am random, and say randomly absurd things, because I am a Discordian like you!”<br />
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The group fell silent and looked at him curiously for a moment, and then resumed arguing. <br />
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Steve was puzzled. This wasn’t the reception he’d expected. He spoke again;<br />
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“Excuse me, but do you know where the monkeys fly at midnight? Modern politics bores me, and I can swallow my own nose!!”<br />
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Now a few of the others seemed to be paying attention to him, although to his dismay they seemed less than impressed by his perfect grasp of outlandishness. Two or three of them, he noticed… why, they were making fun of him! They were whispering to each other, and looking at him, and laughing! He flushed red in anger.<br />
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“Listen, you people! I am a Discordian, and I know what Discordia is, and I came here to find Answers and Truth and Nonsense and Absurdity… what do I find you doing? Just… NOTHING! Nothing at all! Why aren’t you Saying Important Nonsense? Why, you’re just ARGUING… ARGUING like any schmucks I might find on the street! I am obviously more enlightened and Discordian than you fools. You people are all just alike. You should be different! You should PAY ATTENTION to ME, and LISTEN to ME, and I will show YOU How to Be Discordian!”<br />
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With this, he started dancing and squawking around the table like a big, Steve-shaped chicken, periodically uttering Absurdities such as “I AM THE PAULRUS” and “TOGETHER WE TURNTABLE THE GREEN OTTER!”. The people at the table attempted to carry on with their arguing, but it was getting harder and harder to hear each other over the squawking. Soon, all their arguing was about Steve, and whether they should ask him to leave. About a third of the group started shouting at Steve, telling him to get out of the café and leave them alone; another third started shouting at the first third to shut up and leave Steve alone, and the other third tried to have an interesting conversation, but it was impossible to follow with all the hubbub so they eventually fell silent.<br />
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Finally, the barista stormed over and said, “WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON OVER HERE?” <br />
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One of the quieter members of the group replied, “Discord”. <br />
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We would like, at this point, to say that Steve, hearing this, was enlightened, but it doesn’t usually work that way outside of Zen koans.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=13Main Page2008-05-13T20:03:00Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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This wiki is supposed to house Cramulus' various projects and ideas. It's a sort of workspace for all sorts of garbage.<br />
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[[The Strange Times]] - an essay</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Cyberspace_Masquerade&diff=12Cyberspace Masquerade2008-05-12T19:42:01Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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<div>The Cyberspace Masquerade is a digital convention. It will last five days.<br />
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The primary invitees are Discordians and their ilk, invited from all corners of the interblag. <br />
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The convention takes place at a forum which will be created explicitly for this purpose. After the convention ends, the forum will be locked. All attendees will register with new usernames and avatars, leaving their old internet identities behind them. <br />
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While in this identity-free zone, attendees are encouraged to discuss topics of interest, import, and inconsequence. Isolation from existing social networks and layers of reputation should facilitate honest, open communication (and flames). At the end of the con, attendants will have the opportunity to reveal their "true" identities, but this is neither required nor expected.<br />
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The Cyberspace Masquerade will, at the end of the convention, release a booklet of Discordian literature. The contents of the booklet will be determined by the participants. People may submit short pieces (200-500 words) and marginalia for entry in the booklet. Consensus polls may be used to determine inclusion/exclusion.<br />
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This is a secret message to the forum hosts. If you're reading this, you're part of the Inner Circle.<br />
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There are a few things going on at the Masquerade in addition to the stuff covered in the initial announcement.<br />
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The Masquerade is secretly hosted by the Adam Weishaupt Society. This means that treachery, secrecy, and disinformation are the bread and butter of some of the games we'll be playing.<br />
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There is an alternate-reality-game built into the Masquerade. By hunting around and connecting the dots, participants will be able to score access to secret boards.<br />
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DISCORDIAN LIT<br />
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Anyone may submit essays and literature for the booklet we'll be producing. The hosts of the masquerade will be the editors and have final say on what goes in/out. They will also host polls to vote on certain pieces. (if there are two meh pieces, we'll host a poll to choose one of them).<br />
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We'll also toss the PDF of this thing up on lulu.com so if this book gets epic, we can sell hard copies. =)<br />
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SECRET FORUM<br />
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There is a password-protected forum. The password to it is "Milhous". Somewhere on the board, a post will indicate that the password to the secret forum is the middle name of one of the moderators.<br />
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We will create a dummy account named "Richard Nixon", who will occasionally modify posts (in very subtle ways). The "Modified by Richard Nixon" tag will appear on the post, giving people a clue that Nixon is a mod, therefore Milhous is the password.<br />
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<div>The Cyberspace Masquerade is a digital convention. It will last five days.<br />
<br />
<br />
The primary invitees are Discordians and their ilk, invited from all corners of the interblag. <br />
<br />
<br />
The convention takes place at a forum which will be created explicitly for this purpose. After the convention ends, the forum will be locked. All attendees will register with new usernames and avatars, leaving their old internet identities behind them. <br />
<br />
<br />
While in this identity-free zone, attendees are encouraged to discuss topics of interest, import, and inconsequence. Isolation from existing social networks and layers of reputation should facilitate honest, open communication (and flames). At the end of the con, attendants will have the opportunity to reveal their "true" identities, but this is neither required nor expected.<br />
<br />
<br />
The Cyberspace Masquerade will, at the end of the convention, release a booklet of Discordian literature. The contents of the booklet will be determined by the participants. People may submit short pieces (200-500 words) and marginalia for entry in the booklet. Consensus polls may be used to determine inclusion/exclusion.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Cyberspace_Masquerade&diff=10Cyberspace Masquerade2008-05-12T14:25:15Z<p>192.234.246.206: New page: The Cyberspace Masquerade is a digital convention. It will last five days. The primary invitees are Discordians and their ilk, invited from all corners of the interblag. The convention ...</p>
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<div>The Cyberspace Masquerade is a digital convention. It will last five days.<br />
<br />
The primary invitees are Discordians and their ilk, invited from all corners of the interblag. <br />
<br />
The convention takes place at a forum which will be created explicitly for this purpose. After the convention ends, the forum will be locked. All attendees will register with new usernames and avatars, leaving their old internet identities behind them. <br />
<br />
While in this identity-free zone, attendees are encouraged to discuss topics of interest, import, and inconsequence. Isolation from existing social networks and layers of reputation should facilitate honest, open communication (and flames). At the end of the con, attendants will have the opportunity to reveal their "true" identities, but this is neither required nor expected.<br />
<br />
The Cyberspace Masquerade will, at the end of the convention, release a booklet of Discordian literature. The contents of the booklet will be determined by the participants. People may submit short pieces (200-500 words) and marginalia for entry in the booklet. Consensus polls may be used to determine inclusion/exclusion.</div>192.234.246.206http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=9Main Page2008-05-12T14:15:56Z<p>192.234.246.206: </p>
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This wiki is supposed to house Cramulus' various projects and ideas. It's a sort of workspace for all sorts of garbage.<br />
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[[The Strange Times]] - an essay<br />
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[[Cyberspace Masquerade]] - a forum project</div>192.234.246.206 Deprecated: header(): Passing null to parameter #3 ($response_code) of type int is deprecated in /var/www/principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/includes/WebResponse.php on line 42
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