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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2006, 06:51:11 pm »
I consider him more like a guy with some good ideas, but sometimes he only says half of what he's thinking, and expects us to understand the half he doesn't say.
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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2006, 07:21:39 pm »
does anybody else notice a glaring difference between the styles of people who get ragged on and people who don't get ragged on?

its looking light night and day to me



this place gets the rep of the 'big bad forum'

but come on

people get out of it what they put into it
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2006, 07:23:34 pm »
So... could you expand?

If I remember right, all Wolfie did was speak up (unclearly) and not back down... and then he got anally violated by Ye Olde Guarde.

But maybe my memory is flawed.  :?:
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2006, 07:29:52 pm »
If people understand what i say, fair 'nuff.

If not then i consider the end result the same anyhow.
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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2006, 07:35:07 pm »
I dunno, I still say that modern man does indeed have an appreciation of symbolism, such as money, and flags, and maps.
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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2006, 07:40:43 pm »
Sure overt symbolism, subtle as a hammer, flag burning and Mohammed cartoon kinda symbolism.

But what of subtle, slight caressing of the senses symbolism? The kind of stuff that creates an epiphany of the mind and leads to whole new vistas of self-discovery and personal development?
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2006, 07:42:03 pm »
Such as....?
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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2006, 07:57:23 pm »
Now there's the tricky part, defining the undefineable. Rendering something sublime into something mundane.

In truth i can't furnish you with examples as such things are unique and individual. To one person a Raven's feather could be no more than trash, to another it can represent so much more.

Hence my comment regarding looking into the eyes of the Wolf. The trick is to keep one's eyes open, to search for these glimpses of the void, these epiphanies.
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2006, 08:01:05 pm »
Wait... so you mean like Blake's "infinity in a grain of sand"?


people who receive epiphanies from a mundane object?



I really wouldn't call that "symbolism", more like... well... a "damascus experience".

to mean, symbolism is a more or less physical act of metaphor that is widely recognized.
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2006, 08:10:03 pm »
Consider these little epiphanies symbolic of a greater whole. Kinda out there but my belief system was never easy to nail down. Christians nailed their's down and it got messy.
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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2006, 08:12:09 pm »
Whole what?


You really gotta sit down some time & write 1000 words about yr current reality grid.  It's getting frustrating trying to commuicatte w/ all these vagaries.
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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2006, 08:13:19 pm »
I know this is really going off on a tangent from the original discussion or even the subsequent one, and it is likely to be misinterpreted as me bashing on Wolfie again (it's not), but I gotta ask...

why do people NEED belief systems?

shouldn't we be past that by now?

srsly.
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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2006, 08:16:15 pm »
Belief system (to me) = Reality Grid = Black Iron Prison = the thing that filtyers out all the shit we don't think we need = what keeps us from the mindstate equivalet to a permanent LSD trip.
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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2006, 08:19:14 pm »
Without belief there is nothing, EVERYONE has  abelief system.

Simply believeing that when we die we simply rot and become food for worms is a belief system that affects how we live our lives.

Believeing that there is no God is a belief system in itself.

Mankind is sustained by faith even if it is faith in nothing. People like to believe otherwise and claim to have no belief system but they are just deluding themselves.
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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2006, 08:20:00 pm »
Like I said...
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