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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2007, 12:59:10 pm »
Most humans go by their first impressions, which are created into the first 30 seconds to minute of an encounter.  I see no reason why prose would be treated differently.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2007, 01:09:18 pm »
For the record, I am not terribly pleased with most humans.
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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2007, 01:13:10 pm »
or how communication is not actually possible (according to physics)
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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2007, 01:23:35 pm »
Say what?  How does physics fit into that?
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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2007, 03:30:27 pm »
Err, I did disclaim these are my thoughts as I had a skim through it.
My word is not official. Just the thoughts of a skimmer, No more. No Less.
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Swallowed his facade cuz I'm so
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Someone above the ground,
Someone who seemed to feel the same,
Someone prepared to lead the way, and
Someone who would die for me.

Will you? Will you now?
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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2007, 03:36:54 pm »
I never said your thoughts were official.  I did, however express interest as to the further explanation of the thoughts themselves. 

Currently, I'm curious as to how many other things you comment on after briefly skimming them.
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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2007, 03:48:02 pm »
Most humans go by their first impressions, which are created into the first 30 seconds to minute of an encounter.  I see no reason why prose would be treated differently.

i think with prose you should count yourself lucky if you actually get 30 secs
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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2007, 04:06:19 pm »
Not to sound self-important, but "skimming" it won't really work.


In fact, I think most of the arguments on this board come from people skimming someone's rant/thread, and then bringing up an objection that was already addressed.

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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2007, 05:09:35 pm »
I never said your thoughts were official.  I did, however express interest as to the further explanation of the thoughts themselves. 

Currently, I'm curious as to how many other things you comment on after briefly skimming them.


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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2007, 05:38:57 pm »
 :argh!:
I basically did give a few things a good read, i just didn't read it all.
I'm commenting on what I did read, because I know that much.
In any case, the points I made all have some element of truth in them, I touched the elephant, and commented that the elephant feels like a trunk.
I have yet to try to find his penis yet though.

Is that much that hard to see?
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Someone who seemed to feel the same,
Someone prepared to lead the way, and
Someone who would die for me.

Will you? Will you now?
Would you die for me?
Don't you fuckin lie.

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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2007, 05:42:53 pm »
Hmm, just some thoughts...

Read a little of BIP, due to its "print nature" and me not really in the best position to print atm, I skimmed it and got a bit of the gist of it.

I think, if it's any aim to "update" the PD with BIP, then it's definitely off the mark so far, but maybe I misread what the BIP is intended for.
In any case, I suppose it wouldn't make for a bad *companion* guide to the PD, it seems to me though, that BIP is trying to *explain* things, where as PD was more a *pointer* to things. As it is said, "The Tao that can be spoken is not the true and eternal Tao".

All I can really say is, as a *relatively* young person  (in comparison to the ages of the people who wrote the PD anyway) living in Aus, I still find PD very relavent, and theres little that I cannot truely grasp due to culture/age difference.

In anycase, I'll give it a better read later, and I may change my mind about a few things, I don't know.
But in anycase, do what thou wilt, for I don't give a stuff. It should be interesting in any case.

This is your first comment.

The bolded part is what I've been asking about, and you haven't given your thoughts, you've just pinwheeled.
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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2007, 05:46:07 pm »
Aye, exactly. Its off the mar so far and i didn't understand what the intention of the book was, I was comparing it to PD, and noticing while the message was good, the humour was lacking a little. Oh it was there, -I- Could see it, but for all the wrong reasons I think.

Like I said, my mind wasn't made up.
Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice that was strong and loud and I
Swallowed his facade cuz I'm so
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Someone above the ground,
Someone who seemed to feel the same,
Someone prepared to lead the way, and
Someone who would die for me.

Will you? Will you now?
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Don't you fuckin lie.

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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2007, 06:05:33 pm »
Ok, second question:   What parts of the original PD do you find useful?
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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2007, 11:03:50 am »
Ok, I've finally given the BIP a proper read now, and now here are my thoughts again.

IF the idea was something that could possibly replace the PD, then, yeah, this is a long way off, it's not the pd, which is fine, because I don't think it's meant to be the PD.

I feel the style of writing is very "Kick in the balls and feel the pain, do you understand enough now that you'll want to hit back?", if you get what I mean.

Anyway, to answer your second question, the things I found useful in PD.
I found that PD did not try to really explain, moreso point.
It did so in an absurd and at first glance, a "not to be taken seriously" way, which for alot of people, is where they'll conclude it is, not to be taken seriously.
I for one though, read the PD, had a laugh, put it down, forgot about it, pursude other theological interests (Born Catholic, messed around in "paranormal magick"(which at that point made me a major skeptic of all things "mystic"), buddhist, zen, Discordia, CoS, Hindu (Hare Krshna to be specific), Tao, Scientology... in about that sort of order, but I know it's probably chronologically out of whack because I sorta investigated each like "samplers" of religion, and went back and forth between a few, and by the end of it, I came back, picked up the PD, read it again, and like *bam* instantly everything no longer was absurd dada "hey lets make fun of religion by writing a book about a imaginary god" nonsense, I could read *between* the lines now, I could see the *truth* that through Nonsense, you can find your salvation, you can understand.

Then, as soon as I cast off my shackles of what I "believed" in... weird, weird shit has been happening to me. And I know it's because of the PD that allowed this to happen.

Basically, what I got from the PD in the end, was, life is fucking absurd, take a good look and laugh, don't get comfortable in what you think reality *is*, it's only "ideas about reality" that actually exist, that no matter what you do, there will be people that think you are an arsehole, and there will be people that want to eat gum off your shoe, and that the only thing you should worry about is keeping yourself amused untill it's time to go and join in another show.

Everything else that was explained in PD was filler, IMHO, but very good, true in its own way but meaningless in other ways.

I could probably go on for ages about what I think was great about PD, but really, now that I know what I know fro BIP, it's a good book, I'll say, but it's soo fucking serious, almost depressingly so, where as PD showed me that life isn't meant to be taken seriously.
In my mind, PD is yang, BIP is yin. Both good in some ways. Both bad in some ways. Both true. Both lies.

BIP is more direct, to the point, "If you don't get this now you never will" approach, PD waits for those who are ready to understand it.

Do you believe that?
Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice that was strong and loud and I
Swallowed his facade cuz I'm so
Eager to identify with
Someone above the ground,
Someone who seemed to feel the same,
Someone prepared to lead the way, and
Someone who would die for me.

Will you? Will you now?
Would you die for me?
Don't you fuckin lie.

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Re: What is this section about (n00bs read this!)
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2007, 11:29:27 am »

Then, as soon as I cast off my shackles of what I "believed" in... weird, weird shit has been happening to me. And I know it's because of the PD that allowed this to happen.


Careful with that shit - Wierd shit has always been happening to you. Since you read PD you've become acutely aware of it.

You get that mixed up and suddenly churches are being built and infidels burnt and all sortsa fucked up shit.
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