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Why is the internet so fucking fascist?
« on: October 13, 2007, 09:14:31 pm »
I'm sitting here thinking "What the fuck", after I got banned for 2 weeks, for my first offense, telling a mod to "Fuck off, seriously" after he took on what I perceived to be quite a narky tone; "WE DON'T WANT TO READ ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL SHIT" when I was trying to explain some background information as to why it was pretty urgent that I find a particular kind of broadband. In general, I was bitching about the terrible internet we have in Ireland, sharing my experience of it. So it REALLY set me off that he said that.

This made me think of two things. Firstly that I'm sick of the pretentious "Anti-emo" attitude where nobody gives a shit about anyone yet somehow we expect to have a working community; and secondly, fuck, the internet is strict.

On the second offense, I will be permanently banned. On that forum, I was a key player in getting a radio programme shed some light on a broadband company who weren't offering the service they advertising. I was contributing. But they still treat me like some stupid little kid.

I have Aspergers Syndrome and my particular form of it tends to manifest itself in extreme difficulty with online communications; getting overly aggressive at not being able to get a point across. It's difficult to help this. Since the internet is rule based and not logic based - it refuses to take this into account; refuses to acknowledge that it's not fair to hold me to the same standards. I do have ISSUES. But those issues wouldn't be so big if it wasn't for the bigger issue - OTHER PEOPLE. Other people are jackasses.

They mindlessly support an institution because they really believe that someone can "own" a gathering of people. But that's bullshit.

Not to mention - let's say an admin of a forum bans someone unfairly; it's "his forum" after all, so most would argue it isn't unfair at all(since they are jackasses with microscopic logic centers). But then; imagine another, alternate universe admin, who DOESN'T get an erection from imagining himself becoming Judge Dredd for a day. Now, there is an issue here. This alt-admin is a much fairer guy. He made a better decision.

Suddenly, we remember what "right" and "wrong" are and realise that "private property" doesn't matter as much as we've been brainwashed to believe.

At least... in theory. But that doesn't happen.

The reason why "private property" doesn't work is that, take this Broadband forum. Now, it is the centre of broadband discussion in Ireland. There is no other place I can go to be a productive member of issues relating to broadband, really. People aren't going to join a forum just because "some banned member wants us too" - most people are sheep, and don't see a problem, even when the strictness is still affecting their freedom of expression. It is NOT easy to set up a forum - it tends to be down to luck, or just plain mimicking the BS that already goes on so people will stick to what their used to, just somewhere else. This isn't "free speech" - it's luck of the draw.

So this decision remains to be unfair. It's ethically a WRONG decision. It becomes an issue of Might. Vs. Right.

These guys are obviously wrong; but who's going to tell them otherwise? The members? Higher up mods? That's not going to happen.

At least Judge Dredd tends to judge people who actually do things wrong. Opposing the institution, whether it be "official" of a set of clique-ish notions, even aggressively, is not "wrong". Yet it will get you banned FAR more often than genuine, malicious trolling(which most of these forums deserve, directed towards the mods). Even if someone claims they can do what they like with their property, that's still WRONG and it should be DISCOURAGED.

I think a lot of this has to do with a bit of a conservative backlash; mindlessly upholding "Amerikan" values over all logic.

I just wish I knew how to get people to understand.


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Re: Why is the internet so fucking fascist?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2007, 09:24:16 pm »
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have Aspergers Syndrome and my particular form of it tends to manifest itself in extreme difficulty with online communications; getting overly aggressive at not being able to get a point across. It's difficult to help this. Since the internet is rule based and not logic based - it refuses to take this into account; refuses to acknowledge that it's not fair to hold me to the same standards. I do have ISSUES. But those issues wouldn't be so big if it wasn't for the bigger issue - OTHER PEOPLE. Other people are jackasses.

I don't think this is aspergers syndrome. I know aspergers syndrome. This sounds more like poor internet social skills.


What, did you think that after a couple million years of human evolution where all communication was face to face that your mental abilities would be easily transferable to a medium where people do no communicate face to face? Please....you gotta build it like any other skill.
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2007, 09:46:41 pm »
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have Aspergers Syndrome and my particular form of it tends to manifest itself in extreme difficulty with online communications; getting overly aggressive at not being able to get a point across. It's difficult to help this. Since the internet is rule based and not logic based - it refuses to take this into account; refuses to acknowledge that it's not fair to hold me to the same standards. I do have ISSUES. But those issues wouldn't be so big if it wasn't for the bigger issue - OTHER PEOPLE. Other people are jackasses.

I don't think this is aspergers syndrome. I know aspergers syndrome. This sounds more like poor internet social skills.

Umm... you do know that aspergers results in poor social skills, right? Which often gets heightened by the internet, due to the lack of empathy, restriction, personal interaction...

I know Aspergers Syndrome, and I know that it's part of it.

There wouldn't be a problem with the way I am if others wouldn't keep doing things based on absolutely no logic whatsoever.

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Re: Why is the internet so fucking fascist?
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2007, 10:05:29 pm »
My, you certainly do go on about "logic".
Any reason why? Is it a personal philosophy?

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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2007, 10:10:37 pm »
My boyfriend has aspergers, as I have said elsewhere on this forum, he has a total lack of understanding of emotion. Even things like "happy" and "sad" are understood to him only on a crude intellectual level.

He spends massive amounts of time on the internet, and like in real life, he has problems with emotional content. However, he doesn't blast people for not treating him special, for not giving him special treatment. Unlike you, he doesn't have some sort of inferiority complex.

Get over yourself. If you do have aspergers, deal with it, drink some alcohol or something and calm down, and remember, its only the internets. No one is going to give you special treatment, and if you haven't noticed, the real world isn't ruled by logic either.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2007, 10:20:40 pm »
My boyfriend has aspergers, as I have said elsewhere on this forum, he has a total lack of understanding of emotion. Even things like "happy" and "sad" are understood to him only on a crude intellectual level.

He spends massive amounts of time on the internet, and like in real life, he has problems with emotional content. However, he doesn't blast people for not treating him special, for not giving him special treatment. Unlike you, he doesn't have some sort of inferiority complex.

Get over yourself. If you do have aspergers, deal with it, drink some alcohol or something and calm down, and remember, its only the internets. No one is going to give you special treatment, and if you haven't noticed, the real world isn't ruled by logic either.

No, I think you need to get over the fact that Aspergers isn't a single disorder - it's a syndrome of various effects. I have known other AS with the problems I do. Others won't. I know a guy who has AS who's kind of in between too, mostly gets on OK but still gets banned on occasion.

I really do hate this "special treatement" BS. It's no better than when bigots use it as an argument against gay marriage. If things were based on a rational assessment of a situation, there would be no need for "special treatment". Difficulty socialising is always going to have a chance at causing immense frustration like I experience.

The problem is I have NO trouble understanding emotion, unlike your boyfriend - which makes it hard since I know exactly how pathetic the people I'm arguing with are. I understand their thought processes very will and it sickens me since there isn't a shred of logic in them. Thinking according to societal rules, never reasoning for themselves. This should be taken into account. Not doing so is incredibly illogical and unfair - but thanks to the wonders of weighted words like "Special treatment", it isn't.

If your boyfriend saw this, coupled with his lack of social skills, it might drive him mad too.

I don't need to "get over myself". You just need to realise that people's issues branch out past those of the ones immediately close to you.

My, you certainly do go on about "logic".
Any reason why? Is it a personal philosophy?



Err, well it kind of should be everyones. In these arguments, nobody ever backs anything - all one line, unbacked assertions telling me to do X and Y. Nobody ever gives a reason. But I'm the one who's "not listening" - why should I listen to things which have no real foundation in reality, only abstract concepts(rather shaky rules)?

I don't see what's wrong with thinking that's a horrible thing indeed. Because it is. Lack of logic = bad. These people have no respect for logic.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2007, 10:25:02 pm »


Err, well it kind of should be everyones.

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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2007, 10:30:54 pm »
My boyfriend has aspergers, as I have said elsewhere on this forum, he has a total lack of understanding of emotion. Even things like "happy" and "sad" are understood to him only on a crude intellectual level.

He spends massive amounts of time on the internet, and like in real life, he has problems with emotional content. However, he doesn't blast people for not treating him special, for not giving him special treatment. Unlike you, he doesn't have some sort of inferiority complex.

Get over yourself. If you do have aspergers, deal with it, drink some alcohol or something and calm down, and remember, its only the internets. No one is going to give you special treatment, and if you haven't noticed, the real world isn't ruled by logic either.

No, I think you need to get over the fact that Aspergers isn't a single disorder - it's a syndrome of various effects. I have known other AS with the problems I do. Others won't. I know a guy who has AS who's kind of in between too, mostly gets on OK but still gets banned on occasion.

I really do hate this "special treatement" BS. It's no better than when bigots use it as an argument against gay marriage. If things were based on a rational assessment of a situation, there would be no need for "special treatment". Difficulty socialising is always going to have a chance at causing immense frustration like I experience.

The problem is I have NO trouble understanding emotion, unlike your boyfriend - which makes it hard since I know exactly how pathetic the people I'm arguing with are. I understand their thought processes very will and it sickens me since there isn't a shred of logic in them. Thinking according to societal rules, never reasoning for themselves. This should be taken into account. Not doing so is incredibly illogical and unfair - but thanks to the wonders of weighted words like "Special treatment", it isn't.

If your boyfriend saw this, coupled with his lack of social skills, it might drive him mad too.

I don't need to "get over myself". You just need to realise that people's issues branch out past those of the ones immediately close to you.

I need to realize? You're the one here complaining about everone else making your problems worse here.

And I reiterate: the world is not logical. PEOPLE are not logical, and you, with your problems, are just going to have to learn to cope. Srsly, figure this out already. I have difficulty socializing, IRL and on the internet. I have such difficulty socializing in groups that I reach a point of overwhelming inputs and I have to leave. I don't go around complaining that people should treat me different because of this.

The biggest marker of this situation is only asking for basic respect that you deserve, and not for some sort of special treatment. The first gains you respect, the second makes you look like an asshole.

Specifically, because you demanded I treat you a certain way, I am not going to.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2007, 10:31:58 pm »


Err, well it kind of should be everyones.

...

Yeah, I wasn't even gonna touch that. Goes with the whole "People are not logical, learn to cope" statement.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2007, 10:50:29 pm »
My boyfriend has aspergers, as I have said elsewhere on this forum, he has a total lack of understanding of emotion. Even things like "happy" and "sad" are understood to him only on a crude intellectual level.

He spends massive amounts of time on the internet, and like in real life, he has problems with emotional content. However, he doesn't blast people for not treating him special, for not giving him special treatment. Unlike you, he doesn't have some sort of inferiority complex.

Get over yourself. If you do have aspergers, deal with it, drink some alcohol or something and calm down, and remember, its only the internets. No one is going to give you special treatment, and if you haven't noticed, the real world isn't ruled by logic either.

No, I think you need to get over the fact that Aspergers isn't a single disorder - it's a syndrome of various effects. I have known other AS with the problems I do. Others won't. I know a guy who has AS who's kind of in between too, mostly gets on OK but still gets banned on occasion.

I really do hate this "special treatement" BS. It's no better than when bigots use it as an argument against gay marriage. If things were based on a rational assessment of a situation, there would be no need for "special treatment". Difficulty socialising is always going to have a chance at causing immense frustration like I experience.

The problem is I have NO trouble understanding emotion, unlike your boyfriend - which makes it hard since I know exactly how pathetic the people I'm arguing with are. I understand their thought processes very will and it sickens me since there isn't a shred of logic in them. Thinking according to societal rules, never reasoning for themselves. This should be taken into account. Not doing so is incredibly illogical and unfair - but thanks to the wonders of weighted words like "Special treatment", it isn't.

If your boyfriend saw this, coupled with his lack of social skills, it might drive him mad too.

I don't need to "get over myself". You just need to realise that people's issues branch out past those of the ones immediately close to you.

I need to realize? You're the one here complaining about everone else making your problems worse here.

And I reiterate: the world is not logical. PEOPLE are not logical, and you, with your problems, are just going to have to learn to cope.

No, because it's not my problem. It's theirs. They are stupid. You should be bitching at them; not me. You're part of the problem with your "special needs" shit for making it look like I'm in the wrong, and not the people who refuse to take into account any level of human circumstance, and ban people for stupid and selfish reasons.

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Srsly, figure this out already. I have difficulty socializing, IRL and on the internet. I have such difficulty socializing in groups that I reach a point of overwhelming inputs and I have to leave. I don't go around complaining that people should treat me different because of this.

And here's where it appears you are failing to read my fucking post.

AS is a spectrum(within another spectrum of course, of autism) - your difficulties, your boyfriend's difficulties, your cats difficulties will not be the same as mine. They'll have the same underlying awkwardness but it will NOT necessarily manifest itself in the same way.

This is 100% gospel truth of Aspergers research. I have no idea why you have such trouble accepting it. It seems to me you don't have much more will to understand others than the people I'm complaining about do.

Saying that it's wrong for people with Aspergers to expect "special treatment" socially is like saying it's wrong of people in wheelchairs to expect full wheelchair access in where they work/go to college. Sure, if they REALLY wanted to they could try and find someone to carry them up stairs, but it's not practical or fair is it?

Same thing. It's just that like most people you are programmed socially to think of certain things as being "acceptable" as special needs, and not others. It's not any more complicated than this. But if you see past your own programming, you'll see why EVERYONE should be treated differently, based on their own strengths and weaknesses. Treating people the same makes no sense when people are not the same.

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The biggest marker of this situation is only asking for basic respect that you deserve, and not for some sort of special treatment. The first gains you respect, the second makes you look like an asshole.

No, I rather think pushing this "special treatment" rubbish makes you look like a bit of an ass after I've already disproved it. You're arguing against difficulties being recognised, that other people should acknowledge the differences of others.

That's pretty morally disgusting to me and until you realise why it might be, I'm probably not going to bother responding to any further posts. I'm angry enough as it is. It's part of this horrendous "anti-welfare" attitude that artificially holds everyone to the same standard. People aren't all at the same standard. This should be recognised. You think it should not. Therefore, your way of thinking is invalid as it refuses to acknowledge basic differences between people.

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Specifically, because you demanded I treat you a certain way, I am not going to.

That doesn't make you right to do so. If someone needs to be treated in a different way to others, you should. If you don't, you're an ass and deserve to have that pointed out. People are not the same. Everyone deserves some form of "special treatment".
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2007, 10:58:56 pm »
You are starting to sound a bit..... Illogical. What with all the anger and stuff.

Someone had to say it.

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2007, 11:00:13 pm »
this is a rather illogical thread

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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2007, 11:00:28 pm »
Given Rhombus wasn't even talking about this forum, I see a lot of mentions about what "I'm" expected to do.  Which is odd, because I didn't get that vibe from this.  All I got was a sense of frustration at 1.  How the internet is and 2. How people are rarely willing to be understanding of the realities of discussion on the internet.

Do you think you may be analyzing this a little too deeply, BMW?
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2007, 11:01:12 pm »
Okay, first of all, for someone who is supposedly very logical, you are getting awful upset. Secondly, you are once again demanding that all people should be logical, which, in addition to being a completely ILLOGICAL claim (people are not going to change to your whim), you are wanting people to change their behaviors without considering that you should try changing your own. Which, in all seriousness, is much easier than changing someone elses behavior.

Also, comparing people with difficulty in social skills to people in wheelchairs is a highly illogical comparison, where as one is a physical inability to walk and simple respect as is deserved would be for wheelchair access, whereas learning social behavior is a learned ability and can be changed. Once again, if you were simply having difficulty with this, I would be empathetic. Its the difference between asking and demanding.


Also, "100% gospel truth"? When did science EVER have gospel truth, much less 100% truth? Much less, truth?
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2007, 11:03:26 pm »
Given Rhombus wasn't even talking about this forum, I see a lot of mentions about what "I'm" expected to do.  Which is odd, because I didn't get that vibe from this.  All I got was a sense of frustration at 1.  How the internet is and 2. How people are rarely willing to be understanding of the realities of discussion on the internet.

Do you think you may be analyzing this a little too deeply, BMW?

If it was simply that, then I wouldn't have disputed that. Certain statements like "Everyone should be logical" especially struck me as needing to be addressed.
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