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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2007, 05:31:49 pm »
The Universe is essentially mindless and doesn't give a shit one way or another about my presence and thus any values I attribute to external phenomena are merely internal projections onto a value neutral existence?

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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2007, 06:17:41 pm »
The Universe is essentially mindless and doesn't give a shit one way or another about my presence and thus any values I attribute to external phenomena are merely internal projections onto a value neutral existence?

Incorrect answer!

So when your neighborhood is torn in half by a hurricane, how do you justify / rationalize it?

The correct answer is find the goddess damned bastard of a Meteormancer responsible and kick him in the 'nads for summoning a hurricane to tromp through my front yard.
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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2007, 06:43:55 pm »
just trying to bite my own tail

The Universe is essentially mindless and doesn't give a shit one way or another about my presence and thus any values I attribute to external phenomena are merely internal projections onto a value neutral existence?

id put it like

The Universe IS. (any attribute or action is only for :lulz: purposes)
it "cannot give a shit" about consciousness and thus anything I attribute to external phenomena are merely internal projections onto a value neutral existence.

maybe this is the hardest part for humans to swallow, that the very concept of "self" (and its various projections) means nothing.

it is particularly interesting to see this in the language used. like: "i think that" or "i believe that" instead of the most obvious "i suspect that" which might be closer to what one meant to say.
and this is language used by well known and respected scientists.
only one of the books i grep through almost didnt use those (and other) patterns.
reading dawkins one might think that genes and memes have a will*. will? ermm..
its really interesting considering dawkins essentially speaking about language using.... well, language.

and of course, its not very easy to change language patterns, no more than one can think about himself as nothing more than a (by)product of a mass of neurons doing their chemical thing.

some form of god always exists there embedded in our brains regardless of how seemingly "unreligiously/areligiously" it manifests.
much like the drive to spot patterns around us, find (meaningful) causality, put the universe in order, seek the meaning of life and post on pd.

this kinda folds rygD argument on itself, which is quite funny. too bad search function doesnt work ;)

*had a conversation on this very topic with someone on this forum just a week ago. i have yet to punish him for actually thinking he has a will ;)

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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2007, 07:15:23 pm »
I kinda liked Cain's better.
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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2007, 07:17:24 pm »
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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2007, 10:06:42 pm »
The Universe is essentially mindless and doesn't give a shit one way or another about my presence and thus any values I attribute to external phenomena are merely internal projections onto a value neutral existence?

That sure is a purty motorcycle you got there....

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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2007, 11:56:59 pm »
The Universe is essentially mindless and doesn't give a shit one way or another about my presence and thus any values I attribute to external phenomena are merely internal projections onto a value neutral existence?

The Universe is what it is. I don't know what the hell it is, so I wouldn't go making any assumptions about it.
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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2007, 02:23:54 am »
Thus far it has not shown any attributes which would suggest otherwise.  If it does, I shall revise my basic assumptions, but right now I see no need to, and by maintaining a level of moral neutrality, I will possibly be more aware to any evidence that would change that position than those who already think there are observable traits that suggest otherwise.

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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2007, 02:32:24 am »
*had a conversation on this very topic with someone on this forum just a week ago. i have yet to punish him for actually thinking he has a will ;)

if you catch me sober (like, not now), i'll show you why i have one :-D

pfffff

you should understand it biting your tail hard enough ------------------- you feel it? :) :) :) :)
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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2007, 03:34:17 am »
Thus far it has not shown any attributes which would suggest otherwise.  If it does, I shall revise my basic assumptions, but right now I see no need to, and by maintaining a level of moral neutrality, I will possibly be more aware to any evidence that would change that position than those who already think there are observable traits that suggest otherwise.

You can make whatever assumptions you want, I'm just not. Sometimes letting things just be what they are, and not trying to figure out what they are, even while observing what they do, is an interesting exercise. I'm not trying to get all Zen on your ass or anything, but it's essentially the basis of much American Indian spirituality, at least according to my dad who is a lot older and 93.25% more indian than I am. And it doesn't hamper observing at all!
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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
― Assata Shaku

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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2007, 12:53:29 pm »
pfffff

the sound of air escaping my punctured bubble.

if you catch me sober (like, not now), i'll show you why i have one :-D

you should understand it biting your tail hard enough ------------------- you feel it? :) :) :) :)

well, its always a bad idea to drink&post. i just mentioned this to someone last week.
but yeah, i think "i feel it", i beeleaf so...

we would have to first establish you have such a thing and what it consists of exactly.
if i would have wanted to be a real ass (as opposed to the cute fluffy bunny that i am now) id say lets define will :-p
thinking about it for a few minutes i recall what a headache i got reading all them philosophers that dealt with the will issue.
kinda makes me wanna unwrap my towel, throw it in and say "I kinda liked Cain's better".

bah fuck it, ive long become too much of a nihilist to "be" a "true/real" discordian ;)

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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2007, 01:29:24 pm »
> well, its always a bad idea to drink&post

true. they should invent an alcohol breath tester that plugs into your USB port and then locks your internet connection or something.

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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2007, 04:09:17 pm »
Friends don't let friends drink and post.
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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2007, 04:48:25 pm »
> well, its always a bad idea to drink&post

true. they should invent an alcohol breath tester that plugs into your USB port and then locks your internet connection or something.



does it function as a beer dispenser when one doesn't post? ill buy :)

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Re: "If God Wasn't Real, It Would Be Necessary to Invent Him."
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2008, 04:24:37 pm »
*insert the turtle joke here*

On a side note. In high school I used finger paint to draw on paper plates, a cute little cross in a red circle with a bar through it, and in equally cute little kid writing with, "poo on christ!" underneath. I then hung them up everywhere between classes. The looks on some of their faces was epic.. They had fits.


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