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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #75 on: March 01, 2008, 06:28:58 pm »
Mix acid and large doses of antidepressants maybe?

Though don't the drugs they use to treat Parkinson's cause inhibit one of the chemical receptors schizophrenics have a shortage of?
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« Reply #76 on: March 01, 2008, 07:08:34 pm »
1) I need to spend more time hanging out on PD.com. This thread is proof of that.

2) I need to read a book about the 8 circuit model one of these days.
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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #77 on: March 02, 2008, 03:07:35 am »
1) I need to spend more time hanging out on PD.com. This thread is proof of that.

2) I need to read a book about the 8 circuit model one of these days.

IPrometheus Rising is the best book I've found on the subject.
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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #78 on: March 02, 2008, 04:49:17 am »
I'd also recommend Prometheus Rising. Wilson sort of takes Leary's models and fleshes them out. Though the best point he makes in the book is that there are infinite possible circuits, but the first four are seemingly the most common. I don't think Leary ever said that.
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« Reply #79 on: March 02, 2008, 03:51:30 pm »
I'd also recommend Prometheus Rising. Wilson sort of takes Leary's models and fleshes them out. Though the best point he makes in the book is that there are infinite possible circuits, but the first four are seemingly the most common. I don't think Leary ever said that.

Yeah, Bob kept with the "This is a model" view, even about models he really liked. ;-)

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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #80 on: March 02, 2008, 05:32:36 pm »
1) I need to spend more time hanging out on PD.com. This thread is proof of that.

2) I need to read a book about the 8 circuit model one of these days.

Prometheus Rising is probably the best, I agree with Rata.  It is best to approach it as more of a philisophical model than a scientific one, just as a warning.  There is no 'evidence' for it, its just an interesting, and possibly useful way to think about things.

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« Reply #81 on: March 02, 2008, 09:48:25 pm »
Not to be anal, but LSD doesn't really replicate schizophrenia. When it was first being used in psychotherapy, therapists thought it could be used to empathize with schizophrenics and share their experience. That proved to be ineffective as LSD doesn't cause prominent symptoms of endogenous psychoses (generally, schizophrenias and related psychoses) such as catatonia. Acid is fun, though.

'Twas a flippant joke. My friend is schizophrenic, I can't see any "fun" in being able to be temporarily schizophrenic.
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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #82 on: March 02, 2008, 10:05:16 pm »
Not to be anal, but LSD doesn't really replicate schizophrenia. When it was first being used in psychotherapy, therapists thought it could be used to empathize with schizophrenics and share their experience. That proved to be ineffective as LSD doesn't cause prominent symptoms of endogenous psychoses (generally, schizophrenias and related psychoses) such as catatonia. Acid is fun, though.

'Twas a flippant joke. My friend is schizophrenic, I can't see any "fun" in being able to be temporarily schizophrenic.

Nothing fun about hallucinations and delusions combined with paranoia.
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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #83 on: March 02, 2008, 10:57:11 pm »

'Twas a flippant joke. My friend is schizophrenic, I can't see any "fun" in being able to be temporarily schizophrenic.

I could be stubborn and say that it would be fun for me. But I won't. Schizophrenia isn't fun. Probably shouldn't have said that. Must think more before posting.
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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2008, 12:57:42 am »
Nothing fun about hallucinations and delusions combined with paranoia.

Considering there are people who enjoy huge amounts of benadryl (though there aren't many), I suppose to some people it's fun.
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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2008, 03:21:46 am »
Nothing fun about hallucinations and delusions combined with paranoia.

Considering there are people who enjoy huge amounts of benadryl (though there aren't many), I suppose to some people it's fun.

I took large amounts of benadryl and all I got was a full body rash. Too busy itching my skin raw to be paranoid.
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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #86 on: April 22, 2008, 10:27:11 pm »
This is not a criticism, this is an observation:

You seem to have an idea that who you "are" is a fixed thing, and our behavior and thoughts and beliefs are somehow separate from this core thing.

Further, if one's perceptions changes one's thoughts, and one's thoughts change one's behavior, that is only an external process, and the core thing remains as it was.




I tend to think in more integrated terms, that the "is" tends to be more malleable, and while perceptions are filtered, if the thoughts and behaviors change because of that, the "is" changes as well.

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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2008, 04:28:07 pm »
as we are on the subject: http://www.geocities.com/theschizophreniamyth/

I like this link.

It's a good take on the subject.
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Re: Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?
« Reply #89 on: April 23, 2008, 09:24:37 pm »
Not to be anal, but LSD doesn't really replicate schizophrenia. When it was first being used in psychotherapy, therapists thought it could be used to empathize with schizophrenics and share their experience. That proved to be ineffective as LSD doesn't cause prominent symptoms of endogenous psychoses (generally, schizophrenias and related psychoses) such as catatonia. Acid is fun, though.

'Twas a flippant joke. My friend is schizophrenic, I can't see any "fun" in being able to be temporarily schizophrenic.

Nothing fun about hallucinations and delusions combined with paranoia.

PCP is supposed to mimic schizo (it doesn't, but psychiatrists are slow).  In fact, the whole "chemical imbalance" theory is based on the known mechanism of action of drugs in the brain (how they affect neurotransmitters) and then assuming deviations from an accepted "normal state" are caused by abnormal levels of brain chemicals (i.e. like being high on drugs all the time).   There's no evidence for this, but it makes them feel like they're accomplishing something, and the drug co's get rich in the process, so I don't see who's really getting hurt (oh right... the people taking the medications.. lol).

I have schizo (whatever that means.. I hear voices and have delusions etc) and the only thing I can compare it to is dreaming.  It's not like any drug I've tried.  It's kinda like how when you're in the middle of a really weird and involving dream and everything makes perfect sense (even though upon awaking, you find it was all random BS) and you just *know* that this that and the other are real and don't feel compelled to investigate whether it's legitimate or not.

In short, schizo sucks, but it can be a lot of fun sometimes.  Especially if the hospital food is good. ;)
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