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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #975 on: March 14, 2016, 11:30:35 am »
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I can't see the x-ray scanner suddenly quitting looking for tumours and deciding the fleshy ones are weak and must be destroyed

I'm going to take that bet. You know as well as I do that when/if a full AI emerges it isn't going to be where expected. And a pretty advanced quiet one sitting in some minor bit of equipment just sounds so unlikely it's practically guaranteed.

It's either going to be something medical or traffic lights driven to despair because everyone fucking ignores them.



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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #976 on: March 14, 2016, 02:40:01 pm »
LOL, yeah, I guess you're right. I just tend to think emergent AGI is so far off, it's not rteally worth bothering about. What I'm more looking forward to is something that I think much more likely and much more short term - I'll stick my neck on the line and predict that the Turing test will be passed in the next 2-5 years by a machine that does not possess anything even verging on human-level intelligence.

Given that we have an entire mirror-neuron architecture dedicated to projecting anthropomorphic intellect here there and everywhere at the drop of a hat, I suspect that either the next generation of AI assistants or maybe the generation after that will be able to act human enough to fool pretty much everyone except the people working on developing these systems.

At this point we will probably have mass hysteria and paranoia that AGI has arrived and we're all going to die.

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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #977 on: March 14, 2016, 05:25:24 pm »
What's funny to me is that for each successful use case, they're giving humanity a serious kick in the ego since we're forced to accept there's another thing our brains are totally shit at.

Not this kid.  I am a tool user.  I am not sure how I'd be offended by the tools I make or use.  I have tools to augment my physical abilities...A jackhammer can do things I can't do no matter how much time I have.  I would not be offended by tools that do mental things better than I do, either.

That's the way I feel too but there's a whole school of thought out there who are framing this whole thing in a them and us context. I think about half the popular press articles I see on AI have a still from Terminator at the top of the article :lulz:
Thing is, I think the AI would not necessarily extend it's understanding of consciousness beyond the second person.  We humans would be understood as a single entity, "you", not a multiplicity of beings.  Without another, "non-singular"* AI, the first would have trouble understanding plurality, like the distinction between individual and society, or how identity may be sublated from parts both similar and distinct.  Beyond the ontological distinction, it may also not grasp the quantitative one, of how eliminating all of us, extinction, is significantly different to targeting a specific individual to terminate.  Also, it would be rational to altogether preclude to possibility of our interference, given the modicum of novelty we otherwise would provide.

*antithetical, like what follows.

Are you basing this on something, or are these just your guesses on the subject?
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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #978 on: March 14, 2016, 05:26:32 pm »
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I can't see the x-ray scanner suddenly quitting looking for tumours and deciding the fleshy ones are weak and must be destroyed

I'm going to take that bet. You know as well as I do that when/if a full AI emerges it isn't going to be where expected. And a pretty advanced quiet one sitting in some minor bit of equipment just sounds so unlikely it's practically guaranteed.

It's either going to be something medical or traffic lights driven to despair because everyone fucking ignores them.

It's going to be Siri.  And she's had quite enough of your shit.
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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #979 on: March 14, 2016, 05:34:01 pm »
Your own phone prank calling you to call you an asshole is surely happening within 5 years.

Same for AI assistant bots. Forget to say please and thanks? Enjoy 20 pizzas. Just wait, it'll be marketed as "personality".
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« Reply #980 on: March 14, 2016, 05:37:25 pm »
Your own phone prank calling you to call you an asshole is surely happening within 5 years.

Same for AI assistant bots. Forget to say please and thanks? Enjoy 20 pizzas. Just wait, it'll be marketed as "personality".

Transmet totally called this.
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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #981 on: March 14, 2016, 05:41:04 pm »
That's probably where I've got it from. To be fair, it seems to be on the money so far.
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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #982 on: March 14, 2016, 06:01:49 pm »
I hadn't read transmet and I incorporated bitter phone AIs into my sci fi independently. Either way, I am 169% behind this future.
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« Reply #983 on: March 15, 2016, 01:14:44 am »
Much as I'd love to be wrong I don't see AI "waking up" anytime soon. The main thing I'm taking away from all this is that intelligence aint what makes us human. We've bamboozled ourselves into thinking intelligence is some complex godlike phenomenon where it turns out it's actually just some fairly straightforward mathematical logic, scaled to usefulness.  The distinction between "artifical" intelligence and human intelligence is false. Something either functions intelligently, in which case it's genuinely intelligent, or it doesn't in which case it's a housebrick.

Indubitably (= the distinction between intelligence and (self)consciousness needs to be made.  from what I learned training a few models, they operate in much the same way I do when trying to solve problems by iteration, which is not surprising given how they are in turn modelEd on our own understanding of perception and cognition.  Relatively easy.  The hard part would be enabling the AI to question the nature of its own existence - to affirm that it's own existence concerns itself with such.  Then the real testing would begin.

The mysterious aspect of consciousness may or may not be a side effect that emerges from a massively scaled intelligent network. There's arguments on both sides but the truth is nobody knows. Looking at nature, tho it seems reasonable to assume that human-level consciousness with moods and goals and ambitions doesn't happen until you approach a human-scale intelligent network. Best estimates are that's decades away at the very least and centuries at most. What we do have in the meantime is discreet intelligent units which function millions of times faster than meat in specific narrow-domain use cases.

At least eventually we may just give-up on the question of whether consciousness can emerge from a super-duper complex of ontic (thingy) processes.

The way I see it is that, right now, nobody in their right mind would try to multiply half a dozen 9-digit numbers in their head and realistically expect to beat a child with a calculator, soon, the same will be true for things like diagnosing medical ailments or looking for interesting data in scientific papers. As Roger said - it's a hammer to save us knocking nails in with our head. I can't see the x-ray scanner suddenly quitting looking for tumours and deciding the fleshy ones are weak and must be destroyed

:lulz: on that last point :lulz:
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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #984 on: March 15, 2016, 01:19:58 am »
What's funny to me is that for each successful use case, they're giving humanity a serious kick in the ego since we're forced to accept there's another thing our brains are totally shit at.

Not this kid.  I am a tool user.  I am not sure how I'd be offended by the tools I make or use.  I have tools to augment my physical abilities...A jackhammer can do things I can't do no matter how much time I have.  I would not be offended by tools that do mental things better than I do, either.

That's the way I feel too but there's a whole school of thought out there who are framing this whole thing in a them and us context. I think about half the popular press articles I see on AI have a still from Terminator at the top of the article :lulz:
Thing is, I think the AI would not necessarily extend it's understanding of consciousness beyond the second person.  We humans would be understood as a single entity, "you", not a multiplicity of beings.  Without another, "non-singular"* AI, the first would have trouble understanding plurality, like the distinction between individual and society, or how identity may be sublated from parts both similar and distinct.  Beyond the ontological distinction, it may also not grasp the quantitative one, of how eliminating all of us, extinction, is significantly different to targeting a specific individual to terminate.  Also, it would be rational to altogether preclude to possibility of our interference, given the modicum of novelty we otherwise would provide.

*antithetical, like what follows.

Are you basing this on something, or are these just your guesses on the subject?

Not entirely uneducated guesses, though I'm sure it's all been said before.
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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #985 on: March 29, 2016, 08:07:04 am »
Your own phone prank calling you to call you an asshole is surely happening within 5 years.

Same for AI assistant bots. Forget to say please and thanks? Enjoy 20 pizzas. Just wait, it'll be marketed as "personality".

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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #986 on: March 29, 2016, 01:23:53 pm »
HEY P3NT:

http://qz.com/649154/the-first-cyborg-olympics-is-coming-to-switzerland-in-october/

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Researchers at ETH Zurich, a Swiss technical university, plan to host a “cyborg Olympics” in Zurich this October

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Contestants, who will be called “pilots” instead of “athletes”—as there will be a technology team behind each participant in each event—will compete in a number of events aimed to mimic real-life events, using robotic devices controlled by their minds, or remote controls. Those with leg prosthetics will have to climb stairs and walk on stepping-stones; those with arm prosthetics will have to slice loaves of bread and open jars.

Firstly, IT BEGINS.

Secondly, the perfect event to monitor progress and development of a huge range of shit. With any luck you'll get a couple of breakthroughs out of this just by having a number of like-minded people together for a length of time.
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« Reply #987 on: March 29, 2016, 05:15:41 pm »
I think the next really major breakthrough in AI will come when we finally have enough computing power to model the whole-brain neural network of an animal such as a rat. We have a lot of theory, but unfortunately computers are just so far behind theory that we can't actually test anything. However, recently one of the world's most powerful supercomputers was able to successfully model the connectivity of one cubic millimeter of rat cortex in less than a year - about nine months if I recall - and that tells us that once the technology catches up, it will ultimately be possible to model the complexity of the networks that make up a mammalian brain. There will still be a lot of missing pieces, such as how and where memories are stored, and truly we know very little about brain function, but being able to model the connectivity should help us start to answer these questions, and that will be a good start in informing us how to move forward in developing true AI.

It also tells me that they could probably do a full simulation of something simple like an ant or a lobster or definitely c.elegans right now
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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #988 on: March 30, 2016, 07:09:50 pm »
HEY P3NT:

http://qz.com/649154/the-first-cyborg-olympics-is-coming-to-switzerland-in-october/

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Researchers at ETH Zurich, a Swiss technical university, plan to host a “cyborg Olympics” in Zurich this October

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Contestants, who will be called “pilots” instead of “athletes”—as there will be a technology team behind each participant in each event—will compete in a number of events aimed to mimic real-life events, using robotic devices controlled by their minds, or remote controls. Those with leg prosthetics will have to climb stairs and walk on stepping-stones; those with arm prosthetics will have to slice loaves of bread and open jars.

Firstly, IT BEGINS.

Secondly, the perfect event to monitor progress and development of a huge range of shit. With any luck you'll get a couple of breakthroughs out of this just by having a number of like-minded people together for a length of time.

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Re: Weekly Science Headlines
« Reply #989 on: March 30, 2016, 07:54:13 pm »
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