What do you REALLY believe?

[Faust]

That being said there is the other side of it, in the past I've seen negativity used because its easy or self feeding, it becomes a meme and we should be careful to call negativity for negativity sake bullshit just as quickly.

Okay.  Define "negativity", then.

I don't define negativity as an unrealistic pessimistic view based on very little information. As you said one mans negativity is anthers realism, that is where i would tow the line, pessimism without cause or fact  = negativity in my view

So we should call people out for not having optimism as their default attitude?

Am I reading you correctly?  <--- Serious question.

No, but those who have pessimism as their default, to the point of an all pervading gloom, perhaps.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Damn, who is he calling a douchbag?

Me, judging from the rest of the post.  

Apparently, stating that there is more than one acceptable viewpoint makes you a douchebag.  And if he's gonna CALL me a douchebag for that reason, I guess I may as well BE a douchebag, right?

I think that is, in fact, your given right....  

Not according to Rat.  According to him, I should break into song upon being called a douchebag.  

Anyway, I'm done with it.  Rat's opinion on any given subject matter is now of slightly less value to me than that of, say, Pat Robertson or Jimmy Swaggart.

TGRR,
No time for being told what I "really meant" or what I am required to believe.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

That being said there is the other side of it, in the past I've seen negativity used because its easy or self feeding, it becomes a meme and we should be careful to call negativity for negativity sake bullshit just as quickly.

Okay.  Define "negativity", then.

I don't define negativity as an unrealistic pessimistic view based on very little information. As you said one mans negativity is anthers realism, that is where i would tow the line, pessimism without cause or fact  = negativity in my view

So we should call people out for not having optimism as their default attitude?

Am I reading you correctly?  <--- Serious question.

No, but those who have pessimism as their default, to the point of an all pervading gloom, perhaps.

Can you give me an example?

[Faust]

That being said there is the other side of it, in the past I've seen negativity used because its easy or self feeding, it becomes a meme and we should be careful to call negativity for negativity sake bullshit just as quickly.

Okay.  Define "negativity", then.

I don't define negativity as an unrealistic pessimistic view based on very little information. As you said one mans negativity is anthers realism, that is where i would tow the line, pessimism without cause or fact  = negativity in my view

So we should call people out for not having optimism as their default attitude?

Am I reading you correctly?  <--- Serious question.

No, but those who have pessimism as their default, to the point of an all pervading gloom, perhaps.

Can you give me an example?

Well I suppose the worst case example I can think of I've seen is in Or kill me, where someone puts a lot of effort into their piece and then it gets a one liner dismissal to the effect of "no that's not right", generally in a meaner tone. I've even seen it done in response to some of your rants in the past.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Damn, who is he calling a douchbag?

Me, judging from the rest of the post.  

Apparently, stating that there is more than one acceptable viewpoint makes you a douchebag.  And if he's gonna CALL me a douchebag for that reason, I guess I may as well BE a douchebag, right?

How do you possibly do that with any sort of honesty?

I don't give a flying fuck how many viewpoints people have. I'm all for you being pessimistic and playing with bones if its what you want to do. However, YOU just shat all over someone for having a different viewpoint than you. THAT IS THE FUCKING HYPOCRISY I AM TALKING ABOUT.

"But, but my view is valid... THEIR VIEW IS SHITTY AND THEY ARE LIKE ELDORA and PAT ROBERTSON... because they can't accept my acceptable viewpoint..."

Sauce for the goose... Rev Gander.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

That being said there is the other side of it, in the past I've seen negativity used because its easy or self feeding, it becomes a meme and we should be careful to call negativity for negativity sake bullshit just as quickly.

Okay.  Define "

negativity", then.

I don't define negativity as an unrealistic pessimistic view based on very little information. As you said one mans negativity is anthers realism, that is where i would tow the line, pessimism without cause or fact  = negativity in my view

So we should call people out for not having optimism as their default attitude?

Am I reading you correctly?  <--- Serious question.

No, but those who have pessimism as their default, to the point of an all pervading gloom, perhaps.

Can you give me an example?

Well I suppose the worst case example I can think of I've seen is in Or kill me, where someone puts a lot of effort into their piece and then it gets a one liner dismissal to the effect of "no that's not right", generally in a meaner tone. I've even seen it done in response to some of your rants in the past.

That sounds more like "being a prick" or - depending on the circumstances - "swinging a barstool".

I thought we were talking about pessimism.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

Damn, who is he calling a douchbag?

Me, judging from the rest of the post.  

Apparently, stating that there is more than one acceptable viewpoint makes you a douchebag.  And if he's gonna CALL me a douchebag for that reason, I guess I may as well BE a douchebag, right?

I think that is, in fact, your given right....  

Not according to Rat.  According to him, I should break into song upon being called a douchebag.  

Anyway, I'm done with it.  Rat's opinion on any given subject matter is now of slightly less value to me than that of, say, Pat Robertson or Jimmy Swaggart.

TGRR,
No time for being told what I "really meant" or what I am required to believe.

Well I admit I'm glad you've chosen not to break into song.  My virgin ears and all that... 

Oh Jimmy Swaggart, I think he never got over the fact that the world loved his pedophilia-incestual tendencied cousin more than him.  That's a big burr to carry up one's ass for a few decades yanno?

[Faust]

That being said there is the other side of it, in the past I've seen negativity used because its easy or self feeding, it becomes a meme and we should be careful to call negativity for negativity sake bullshit just as quickly.

Okay.  Define "

negativity", then.

I don't define negativity as an unrealistic pessimistic view based on very little information. As you said one mans negativity is anthers realism, that is where i would tow the line, pessimism without cause or fact  = negativity in my view

So we should call people out for not having optimism as their default attitude?

Am I reading you correctly?  <--- Serious question.

No, but those who have pessimism as their default, to the point of an all pervading gloom, perhaps.

Can you give me an example?

Well I suppose the worst case example I can think of I've seen is in Or kill me, where someone puts a lot of effort into their piece and then it gets a one liner dismissal to the effect of "no that's not right", generally in a meaner tone. I've even seen it done in response to some of your rants in the past.

That sounds more like "being a prick" or - depending on the circumstances - "swinging a barstool".

I thought we were talking about pessimism.

I consider that pessimism. Writing off any possibility without basis, the same goes for any hypothetical and can be carried across the board. I'm not talking about hostility here, other people have problems with that.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

How do you possibly do that with any sort of honesty?

Easy.  I made a statement that Cram's viewpoint and the more pessimistic sort of viewpoint are equally valid.

You shat on that idea, or at least spattered it with shit while trying to shit on me, by deciding "what I really meant".

You are intellectually dishonest to the point of hilarity.

Your posts will in the future be read only for the unintentional humor value, at least as far as I'm concerned.

[Cramulus]

Well, a lot of people do get sick of it.  There haven't been as many ridiculously long flounces as of late, but I attribute that to mere addiction.

there actually have been a lot of silent flounces, or just decreased posting

I've talked to a lot of people over the last few months who feel like this place's vibe is not conclusive to the kinds of discussions/community they want to participate in. I am going to get myself in trouble for naming names, but off the top of my head - eve, burns, fred, badge, kel, enki, rumckle, net, cainad, captain fruitopia, ratatosk... definitely more.. All of them have mentioned to me how the negativity and shitting on others discourages them from posting. Or how they got frustrated that a potentially interesting thread was reduced to telling people why they're wrong or stupid. I also don't feel like it's something I can do anything about, talking about it tends to make people defensive, and frankly I'm already sorry for bringing it up.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh Jimmy Swaggart, I think he never got over the fact that the world loved his pedophilia-incestual tendencied cousin more than him.  That's a big burr to carry up one's ass for a few decades yanno?

Not what I was talking about.  I was referring to the insistance that only his view is valid, not Jimmy's other issues.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Well, a lot of people do get sick of it.  There haven't been as many ridiculously long flounces as of late, but I attribute that to mere addiction.

there actually have been a lot of silent flounces, or just decreased posting

I've talked to a lot of people over the last few months who feel like this place's vibe is not conclusive to the kinds of discussions/community they want to participate in. I am going to get myself in trouble for naming names, but off the top of my head - eve, burns, fred, badge, kel, enki, rumckle, net, cainad, captain fruitopia, ratatosk... definitely more.. All of them have mentioned to me how the negativity and shitting on others discourages them from posting. Or how they got frustrated that a potentially interesting thread was reduced to telling people why they're wrong or stupid. I also don't feel like it's something I can do anything about, talking about it tends to make people defensive, and frankly I'm already sorry for bringing it up.

Oh, well then.  I hate to think I drove Enki away.

Later.

[Cramulus]

well I know you don't like him, but I've grown quite fond of the spag.


ETA: I am not accusing any one person of driving people away, it's the board's tone

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

How do you possibly do that with any sort of honesty?

Easy.  I made a statement that Cram's viewpoint and the more pessimistic sort of viewpoint are equally valid.

You shat on that idea, or at least spattered it with shit while trying to shit on me, by deciding "what I really meant".

You are intellectually dishonest to the point of hilarity.

Your posts will in the future be read only for the unintentional humor value, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Intellectual dishonesty?! FROM YOU? You stupid self centered jerk... I don't GIVE A GODDAMNED SHIT if you and Cram disagree on valid viewpoints. I AM FUCKING TIRED of people claiming "I have a right to my viewpoint',  not three pages after shitting all over someone else viewpoint.

let's start here: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=18194.msg1013538#msg1013538

and read down a bit, then guess at what 'hypocrisy' I was talking about.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

well I know you don't like him, but I've grown quite fond of the spag.

Okay.  Tell him to come back.  Tell Discordian Kitten to come back (ho ho!).

I won't be in the way.

You're going to need to find a new bad guy to blame, though.

TGRR,
Utterly sick of being your Goddamn scapegoat.