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Re: Zenarchist Swordsmen
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2009, 01:16:55 am »
Thanks for continuing the thread, Honey.

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Nansen Cuts the Cat in Two

    Nansen saw the monks of the eastern and western halls fighting over a cat. He seized the cat and told the monks: `If any of you say a word of Zen, you can save the cat.'

    No one answered. So Nansen boldly cut the cat in two pieces.

    That evening Joshu returned and Nansen told him about this. Joshu removed his sandals and, placing them on his head, walked out.

    Nansen said: `If you had been there, you could have saved the cat.'

Mumon's Comment: Why did Joshu put his sandals on his head? If anyone answers this question, he will understand exactly how Nansen enforced the edict. If not, he should watch his own head.

    Had Joshu been there,
    He would have enforced the edict oppositely.
    Joshu snatches the sword
    And Nansen begs for his life.


Does anyone need further commentary on this?

Also  :lulz: Put Shoe on Head!

I don't get it. At all. I think I'm too stupid for Zen. :(

Zen is bullshit.  Pseudo-mystical pinealist garbage.



You're quite adept at it.

Thank you for your opinion.

Now eat a dick.

First tell me what REAL mysticism is and I'll get right on that penis-chewing.
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Re: Zenarchist Swordsmen
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2009, 01:23:49 am »
Thanks for continuing the thread, Honey.

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Nansen Cuts the Cat in Two

    Nansen saw the monks of the eastern and western halls fighting over a cat. He seized the cat and told the monks: `If any of you say a word of Zen, you can save the cat.'

    No one answered. So Nansen boldly cut the cat in two pieces.

    That evening Joshu returned and Nansen told him about this. Joshu removed his sandals and, placing them on his head, walked out.

    Nansen said: `If you had been there, you could have saved the cat.'

Mumon's Comment: Why did Joshu put his sandals on his head? If anyone answers this question, he will understand exactly how Nansen enforced the edict. If not, he should watch his own head.

    Had Joshu been there,
    He would have enforced the edict oppositely.
    Joshu snatches the sword
    And Nansen begs for his life.


Does anyone need further commentary on this?

Also  :lulz: Put Shoe on Head!

I don't get it. At all. I think I'm too stupid for Zen. :(

The essence of Zen lies in spontaneity, in 'pure action/being' not wrapped up in, debated with, hesitated about, or fantasized over ...using LANGUAGE and ABSTRACTION.

When Nansen confiscates the cat and threatens to kill it unless one of the monk can "say a word of Zen" he was challenging them to drop the Verbal Argument that they were having with each other.

SAYing a word of Zen is literally impossible. Nansen is demanding that the monks drop the negative linguistic karma/emotions that had them fighting with each other. They cannot, and the cat dies.

When Joshu hears this story, his reaction shows that he is a Zen Master. This is because, as a Zen Master.. any simple, spontaneous action that Joshu takes that does not copy another or get hesitated over and abstracted is a Word/Act of Zen. Also, Joshu is making a commentary on Nansen's actions. Something along the lines of "Killing that cat was as constructive as wearing my shoes on my head."

Finally, Mumon comments (quite correctly, IMO) that if Joshu had been there to see the cat threatened, he would have "Said a Word of Zen" by snatching Nansen's blade and placing Nansen in the same arbitrary conundrum that Nansen places the cat and 2 monks in.
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Re: Zenarchist Swordsmen
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2009, 01:26:16 am »
Thanks for continuing the thread, Honey.

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Nansen Cuts the Cat in Two

    Nansen saw the monks of the eastern and western halls fighting over a cat. He seized the cat and told the monks: `If any of you say a word of Zen, you can save the cat.'

    No one answered. So Nansen boldly cut the cat in two pieces.

    That evening Joshu returned and Nansen told him about this. Joshu removed his sandals and, placing them on his head, walked out.

    Nansen said: `If you had been there, you could have saved the cat.'

Mumon's Comment: Why did Joshu put his sandals on his head? If anyone answers this question, he will understand exactly how Nansen enforced the edict. If not, he should watch his own head.

    Had Joshu been there,
    He would have enforced the edict oppositely.
    Joshu snatches the sword
    And Nansen begs for his life.


Does anyone need further commentary on this?

Also  :lulz: Put Shoe on Head!

I don't get it. At all. I think I'm too stupid for Zen. :(

Zen is bullshit.  Pseudo-mystical pinealist garbage.



You're quite adept at it.

Thank you for your opinion.

Now eat a dick.

First tell me what REAL mysticism is and I'll get right on that penis-chewing.

Naw.  After your little sniping fit, I'm far more interested in just brawling with you for the next 3 or 4 months.   :)
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Re: Zenarchist Swordsmen
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2009, 01:27:32 am »
Thanks for continuing the thread, Honey.

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Nansen Cuts the Cat in Two

    Nansen saw the monks of the eastern and western halls fighting over a cat. He seized the cat and told the monks: `If any of you say a word of Zen, you can save the cat.'

    No one answered. So Nansen boldly cut the cat in two pieces.

    That evening Joshu returned and Nansen told him about this. Joshu removed his sandals and, placing them on his head, walked out.

    Nansen said: `If you had been there, you could have saved the cat.'

Mumon's Comment: Why did Joshu put his sandals on his head? If anyone answers this question, he will understand exactly how Nansen enforced the edict. If not, he should watch his own head.

    Had Joshu been there,
    He would have enforced the edict oppositely.
    Joshu snatches the sword
    And Nansen begs for his life.


Does anyone need further commentary on this?

Also  :lulz: Put Shoe on Head!

I don't get it. At all. I think I'm too stupid for Zen. :(

Zen is bullshit.  Pseudo-mystical pinealist garbage.



You're quite adept at it.

Thank you for your opinion.

Now eat a dick.

First tell me what REAL mysticism is and I'll get right on that penis-chewing.

Naw.  After your little sniping fit, I'm far more interested in just brawling with you for the next 3 or 4 months.   :)

Good luck with that.
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« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2009, 01:30:03 am »
Good luck with that.

Yes, yes.  Fuck off, asshole.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Zenarchist Swordsmen
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2009, 09:38:07 pm »
Thanks for continuing the thread, Honey.

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Nansen Cuts the Cat in Two

    Nansen saw the monks of the eastern and western halls fighting over a cat. He seized the cat and told the monks: `If any of you say a word of Zen, you can save the cat.'

    No one answered. So Nansen boldly cut the cat in two pieces.

    That evening Joshu returned and Nansen told him about this. Joshu removed his sandals and, placing them on his head, walked out.

    Nansen said: `If you had been there, you could have saved the cat.'

Mumon's Comment: Why did Joshu put his sandals on his head? If anyone answers this question, he will understand exactly how Nansen enforced the edict. If not, he should watch his own head.

    Had Joshu been there,
    He would have enforced the edict oppositely.
    Joshu snatches the sword
    And Nansen begs for his life.


Does anyone need further commentary on this?

Also  :lulz: Put Shoe on Head!

I don't get it. At all. I think I'm too stupid for Zen. :(

The essence of Zen lies in spontaneity, in 'pure action/being' not wrapped up in, debated with, hesitated about, or fantasized over ...using LANGUAGE and ABSTRACTION.

When Nansen confiscates the cat and threatens to kill it unless one of the monk can "say a word of Zen" he was challenging them to drop the Verbal Argument that they were having with each other.

SAYing a word of Zen is literally impossible. Nansen is demanding that the monks drop the negative linguistic karma/emotions that had them fighting with each other. They cannot, and the cat dies.

When Joshu hears this story, his reaction shows that he is a Zen Master. This is because, as a Zen Master.. any simple, spontaneous action that Joshu takes that does not copy another or get hesitated over and abstracted is a Word/Act of Zen. Also, Joshu is making a commentary on Nansen's actions. Something along the lines of "Killing that cat was as constructive as wearing my shoes on my head."

Finally, Mumon comments (quite correctly, IMO) that if Joshu had been there to see the cat threatened, he would have "Said a Word of Zen" by snatching Nansen's blade and placing Nansen in the same arbitrary conundrum that Nansen places the cat and 2 monks in.

Okay, that makes sense. I'm not sure whether or not I like it, but at least I get it now.

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« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2009, 09:17:16 pm »
The Great Person from time past
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In famed mountains his traces hid,
As they grew old amid wind and frost.

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White-rock hermitage,
Hidden in a haze
Of evergreen trees.

When the moon sets,
Mind-watching passes time;
Clouds arise
In your closed eyes.

Just before dawn, temple bells
Sound from neighboring peaks;
Waterfalls hang
thousands of feet
In emptiness.

Moss and lichen
Cover the cliff face;
A narrow, indistinct path
Leads to you.

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« Reply #52 on: March 14, 2009, 11:48:47 am »
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« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2009, 10:04:06 am »
Urgh! X{P> The Stench of Zen!
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« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2009, 10:54:33 pm »
Inre:  The OP.

I find that, in a swordfight, I am concentrating entirely on drawing a pistol.

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« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2009, 10:56:38 pm »
Also, a Koan:

A filthy apprentice approached the Maintenance Manager and asked, "what is the essence of maintenance?"  The Maintenance Manager responded by firing the dumbshit, for asking philosophical questions instead of oiling the machines.

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« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2009, 11:08:25 pm »
Inre:  The OP.

I find that, in a swordfight, I am concentrating entirely on drawing a pistol.


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« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2009, 03:02:34 am »
Also, a Koan:

A filthy apprentice approached the Maintenance Manager and asked, "what is the essence of maintenance?"  The Maintenance Manager responded by firing the dumbshit, for asking philosophical questions instead of oiling the machines.



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« Reply #58 on: September 29, 2009, 04:31:34 am »
Also, a Koan:

A filthy apprentice approached the Maintenance Manager and asked, "what is the essence of maintenance?"  The Maintenance Manager responded by firing the dumbshit, for asking philosophical questions instead of oiling the machines.



Fuckin deeeeeep, man.

A walk in the ocean of my soul would scarcely get your toes damp.

And those machines ain't gonna oil themselves.
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« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2009, 04:58:05 am »
I learned alot of my concepts of Zen from reading the Tao of Jeet Kune Do.  It wasn't until later that I read Musashi.  But I think my best summation of my search for Zen in my life is best said as...

I spent years searching for the understanding of Zen before I sat down and closed my eyes.

I don't seem so interested in understanding it now, so much as I simply enjoy the moments of Zen that happen in my life.