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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2009, 08:06:52 pm »

And now, apparently, the South pole, which has been GAINING ice, is starting to warm up drastically.



This is because the Earth tilts during seasons for one, it's proximity to the sun for two, and you know, that giant ozone hole that's down there for strike three.

Maybe.  If that were the case, then the rate of ice loss should equal that of past years.  Whether it is or not is at present not clear.

Or the testing is inconsistent. How long have we actually had weather stations down on the actual continent of Antarctica?
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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2009, 08:16:45 pm »

And now, apparently, the South pole, which has been GAINING ice, is starting to warm up drastically.



This is because the Earth tilts during seasons for one, it's proximity to the sun for two, and you know, that giant ozone hole that's down there for strike three.

Maybe.  If that were the case, then the rate of ice loss should equal that of past years.  Whether it is or not is at present not clear.

Or the testing is inconsistent. How long have we actually had weather stations down on the actual continent of Antarctica?
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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2009, 08:17:41 pm »

And now, apparently, the South pole, which has been GAINING ice, is starting to warm up drastically.



This is because the Earth tilts during seasons for one, it's proximity to the sun for two, and you know, that giant ozone hole that's down there for strike three.

Maybe.  If that were the case, then the rate of ice loss should equal that of past years.  Whether it is or not is at present not clear.

Or the testing is inconsistent. How long have we actually had weather stations down on the actual continent of Antarctica?

Who needs that?  That's what core samples of ice are for.
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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2009, 08:28:01 pm »
Now, being that I'm an environmental studies major and all, I probably ought to have an opinion on this.

I got nothing. There's so many howling monkeys on both sides that I'm starting to think that global climate trends are not all that different from economic climate (take a shot!) trends: nobody actually knows wtf is going on in its entirety, but a whole lot of people sure get off on making sweeping generalizations.

Which, really, is understandable behavior for monkeys. In general, there's three possible outcomes:
1) The doomsayers were right, and we're totally fucked.
2) Change is happening, but we can take steps to mitigate its impact. Shit will still happen, but it won't ruin civilization.
3) All of this was a big fat load of bullshit and nothing significant is really going to happen, at least not in our lifetimes.

Regardless of what specific arguments the talking heads and self-appointed experts make, they still have odds of one in three of being able to claim they were "right." Not bad, really.

If there's money and notoriety to be gained in the meantime by hyping the shit out of your position on the issue, why not? Fame, money, and one in three chance of being in the category of "People Who Were Right All Along" in the history books sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2009, 08:31:25 pm »

And now, apparently, the South pole, which has been GAINING ice, is starting to warm up drastically.



This is because the Earth tilts during seasons for one, it's proximity to the sun for two, and you know, that giant ozone hole that's down there for strike three.

Maybe.  If that were the case, then the rate of ice loss should equal that of past years.  Whether it is or not is at present not clear.

Or the testing is inconsistent. How long have we actually had weather stations down on the actual continent of Antarctica?

Who needs that?  That's what core samples of ice are for.

I never got into how accurate the dating of ice is with my education, so I don't really have much of an opinion on that. Got any links?
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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2009, 08:44:48 pm »
Now, being that I'm an environmental studies major and all, I probably ought to have an opinion on this.

I got nothing. There's so many howling monkeys on both sides that I'm starting to think that global climate trends are not all that different from economic climate (take a shot!) trends: nobody actually knows wtf is going on in its entirety, but a whole lot of people sure get off on making sweeping generalizations.

Which, really, is understandable behavior for monkeys. In general, there's three possible outcomes:
1) The doomsayers were right, and we're totally fucked.
2) Change is happening, but we can take steps to mitigate its impact. Shit will still happen, but it won't ruin civilization.
3) All of this was a big fat load of bullshit and nothing significant is really going to happen, at least not in our lifetimes.

Regardless of what specific arguments the talking heads and self-appointed experts make, they still have odds of one in three of being able to claim they were "right." Not bad, really.

If there's money and notoriety to be gained in the meantime by hyping the shit out of your position on the issue, why not? Fame, money, and one in three chance of being in the category of "People Who Were Right All Along" in the history books sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

You know who pissed me off the most out of all these people who thought they were scientists?

Crichton. The Fucker.

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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2009, 08:46:06 pm »

And now, apparently, the South pole, which has been GAINING ice, is starting to warm up drastically.



This is because the Earth tilts during seasons for one, it's proximity to the sun for two, and you know, that giant ozone hole that's down there for strike three.

Holes.  The big hole started closing up, leaving two smaller ones behind.  There's probably been more progress.  Which may be the problem.  It was theorized that the hole in the ozone was causing the screwy air currents that protect(ed) the antartic interior from the warming trend the rest of the world is going through.
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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2009, 08:46:28 pm »
Yeah, Crichton was an ass.

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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2009, 09:26:29 pm »
Unless the environment changes.

I don't like the word successful much in terms of evolution. Too short term. The dinosaurs were sucessful, in terms of numbers of species and how ubiquitous they were. Then you reach the K-T boundary and those old forms haven't been around since. The progeny are doing pretty well right now, Mammals and Birds, but its yet to be seen how it will turn out.

Horseshoe crabs haven't changed much for the past 300 million years but they live in a very stable environment, continental shelves and such. If that were to change quickly they wouldn't have a chance.

If dinosaurs were so successful, they would have evolved into the Tarraesque and survived being hit by a meteor (or anything else for that matter).

I actually planned on being a paleontologist once upon a time, even before the Jurassic Park films came out.  However, I still stand by my words: if dinosaurs had evolved to withstand interplanetary impact, I would have respected them much more.  Evolutionary n00bs.

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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2009, 09:29:53 pm »
Unless the environment changes.

I don't like the word successful much in terms of evolution. Too short term. The dinosaurs were sucessful, in terms of numbers of species and how ubiquitous they were. Then you reach the K-T boundary and those old forms haven't been around since. The progeny are doing pretty well right now, Mammals and Birds, but its yet to be seen how it will turn out.

Horseshoe crabs haven't changed much for the past 300 million years but they live in a very stable environment, continental shelves and such. If that were to change quickly they wouldn't have a chance.

If dinosaurs were so successful, they would have evolved into the Tarraesque and survived being hit by a meteor (or anything else for that matter).

I actually planned on being a paleontologist once upon a time, even before the Jurassic Park films came out.  However, I still stand by my words: if dinosaurs had evolved to withstand interplanetary impact, I would have respected them much more.  Evolutionary n00bs.

That's okay.  It is my firm belief that intelligence is a fatal mutation.
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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2009, 11:08:50 pm »

And now, apparently, the South pole, which has been GAINING ice, is starting to warm up drastically.



This is because the Earth tilts during seasons for one, it's proximity to the sun for two, and you know, that giant ozone hole that's down there for strike three.

Earth does not tilt, it is tilted but it's tiltedness does not change.
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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2009, 11:12:08 pm »

And now, apparently, the South pole, which has been GAINING ice, is starting to warm up drastically.



This is because the Earth tilts during seasons for one, it's proximity to the sun for two, and you know, that giant ozone hole that's down there for strike three.

Earth does not tilt, it is tilted but it's tiltedness does not change.

But the base of the tilt will be closer to - or farther away from - the sun, depending on what time of year it is.
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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2009, 11:53:16 pm »

And now, apparently, the South pole, which has been GAINING ice, is starting to warm up drastically.



This is because the Earth tilts during seasons for one, it's proximity to the sun for two, and you know, that giant ozone hole that's down there for strike three.

Earth does not tilt, it is tilted but it's tiltedness does not change.

But the base of the tilt will be closer to - or farther away from - the sun, depending on what time of year it is.

What is it, 23.5 axial tilt? Not only that, but theres an appogee and paragee, a time when earth is closest to and furthest from the sun, AND, this varies even somewhat.

Did I get that right? Or did I fuck up the terms?
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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2009, 12:09:26 am »
Now, being that I'm an environmental studies major and all, I probably ought to have an opinion on this.

I got nothing. There's so many howling monkeys on both sides that I'm starting to think that global climate trends are not all that different from economic climate (take a shot!) trends: nobody actually knows wtf is going on in its entirety, but a whole lot of people sure get off on making sweeping generalizations.

Which, really, is understandable behavior for monkeys. In general, there's three possible outcomes:
1) The doomsayers were right, and we're totally fucked.
2) Change is happening, but we can take steps to mitigate its impact. Shit will still happen, but it won't ruin civilization.
3) All of this was a big fat load of bullshit and nothing significant is really going to happen, at least not in our lifetimes.

Regardless of what specific arguments the talking heads and self-appointed experts make, they still have odds of one in three of being able to claim they were "right." Not bad, really.

If there's money and notoriety to be gained in the meantime by hyping the shit out of your position on the issue, why not? Fame, money, and one in three chance of being in the category of "People Who Were Right All Along" in the history books sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

I was going to post something like this, but you beat me to the punch.

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Re: Short rant on CLIMATE CHANGE.
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2009, 12:49:19 am »

And now, apparently, the South pole, which has been GAINING ice, is starting to warm up drastically.



This is because the Earth tilts during seasons for one, it's proximity to the sun for two, and you know, that giant ozone hole that's down there for strike three.

Earth does not tilt, it is tilted but it's tiltedness does not change.

But the base of the tilt will be closer to - or farther away from - the sun, depending on what time of year it is.

What is it, 23.5 axial tilt? Not only that, but theres an appogee and paragee, a time when earth is closest to and furthest from the sun, AND, this varies even somewhat.

Did I get that right? Or did I fuck up the terms?

Nope you got it!

The Apogee and the Perigee do not coincide with the seasons either like the tilt does.

For example, we take a warm winter in the Northern Hemisphere. Even though the Earth is tilted away from the Sun, it's at perigee, which means closer to the sun in orbit since it's elliptical and we're more or less hula-hooped. Same thing with a cool summer, tilted toward the Sun, but at apogee and farther away so the temperature isn't as hot.

2004 is a great example for this. July and August in RI were averaging 60s-70s with frequent rain, when it's "normally" 80s-90s.
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