Rev Roger, Welcome to the Monkeyhouse #6: Walking With the King

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Sounds really deep and wise though, don't it?

No.  It sounds like "Nothing is true, everything is permitted".

Fact:  The Truth is what's really happening, whether or not you believe it.  Now, I understand that sometimes there are REAL cases where two observers see two different solutions to the same situation...the "dropping an object out the window of a moving car" example given to describe relativity, for example, where the quarter drops straight down relative to the car, and in a parabola to an observer on the ground...but the quarter drops all the same, and strikes the ground in the same place.

The argument given by the ZOMGCROWLEY crowd is that the quarter only fell period if you believe it, etc...but in the end, you're still out a quarter.  EOS.

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Unless you got that quarter as part of the change for a three-dollar bill, maybe?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Unless you got that quarter as part of the change for a three-dollar bill, maybe?

wut

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Then you're still up 2.75 and someone's out 3 bucks on a phony bill.

[Captain Utopia]

Sounds really deep and wise though, don't it?

No.  It sounds like "Nothing is true, everything is permitted".

Fact:  The Truth is what's really happening, whether or not you believe it.  Now, I understand that sometimes there are REAL cases where two observers see two different solutions to the same situation...the "dropping an object out the window of a moving car" example given to describe relativity, for example, where the quarter drops straight down relative to the car, and in a parabola to an observer on the ground...but the quarter drops all the same, and strikes the ground in the same place.

The argument given by the ZOMGCROWLEY crowd is that the quarter only fell period if you believe it, etc...but in the end, you're still out a quarter.  EOS.

This feels like the perfect antidote to the recent majickqueal threads.

[chimes]

Maybe "nothing is true, everything is permitted" refers more to thoughts/beliefs than to actions?
considering "true" refers to facts/beliefs rather than doings.

(of course i haven't read whatever the source is for that phrase, so whatever. but that's my two cents)

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Then you're still up 2.75 and someone's out 3 bucks on a phony bill.

Shut up.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Sounds really deep and wise though, don't it?

No.  It sounds like "Nothing is true, everything is permitted".

Fact:  The Truth is what's really happening, whether or not you believe it.  Now, I understand that sometimes there are REAL cases where two observers see two different solutions to the same situation...the "dropping an object out the window of a moving car" example given to describe relativity, for example, where the quarter drops straight down relative to the car, and in a parabola to an observer on the ground...but the quarter drops all the same, and strikes the ground in the same place.

The argument given by the ZOMGCROWLEY crowd is that the quarter only fell period if you believe it, etc...but in the end, you're still out a quarter.  EOS.

This feels like the perfect antidote to the recent majickqueal threads.

There is no antidote.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Maybe "nothing is true, everything is permitted" refers more to thoughts/beliefs than to actions?
considering "true" refers to facts/beliefs rather than doings.

(of course i haven't read whatever the source is for that phrase, so whatever. but that's my two cents)

Stop.  We are not having that goddamn conversation in this thread. 

[chimes]

ok. Anyway

Fact:  The Truth is what's really happening, whether or not you believe it.  Now, I understand that sometimes there are REAL cases where two observers see two different solutions to the same situation...the "dropping an object out the window of a moving car" example given to describe relativity, for example, where the quarter drops straight down relative to the car, and in a parabola to an observer on the ground...but the quarter drops all the same, and strikes the ground in the same place.

The argument given by the ZOMGCROWLEY crowd is that the quarter only fell period if you believe it, etc...but in the end, you're still out a quarter.  EOS.

[Ratssinis]

Sounds really deep and wise though, don't it?

No.  It sounds like "Nothing is true, everything is permitted".

Fact:  The Truth is what's really happening, whether or not you believe it.  Now, I understand that sometimes there are REAL cases where two observers see two different solutions to the same situation...the "dropping an object out the window of a moving car" example given to describe relativity, for example, where the quarter drops straight down relative to the car, and in a parabola to an observer on the ground...but the quarter drops all the same, and strikes the ground in the same place.

The argument given by the ZOMGCROWLEY crowd is that the quarter only fell period if you believe it, etc...but in the end, you're still out a quarter.  EOS.

That wasn't the point, but I can understand how it might have come off that way. The objective was to ride the train-wreck right to the end and not get caught up in all the details along the way. Even if that suggests that your own BIP might supersede reality's 'real'. The thing is people wouldn't BOTHER with BIPs and grids and all that unless it had some bearing on how they or the world interacted with each-other. However slight, its the grain of rice that tips the scale. So maybe its "Everything is true_{(If you believe in it and it doesn't shit on your house)}, everything is permitted" eh?

Edit: Look for the brackets.

[BabylonHoruv]

Maybe "nothing is true, everything is permitted" refers more to thoughts/beliefs than to actions?
considering "true" refers to facts/beliefs rather than doings.

(of course i haven't read whatever the source is for that phrase, so whatever. but that's my two cents)

I tend to attribute it to RAW since the first time I saw it in that form was in Illuminatus.  He attributes it to the Hassan Ibn Al Sabah leader of the Hashishim, but everything I have seen on it suggests that is a false attribution.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.

[Ratssinis]

NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.

ur cute. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

NOT HAVING THE FUCKING MAGICKAL DISCUSSION IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

STOP.  NOW.  THANK YOU.

ur cute.  

So is my dog.  My dog has mange, one eye, and 6 horrible teeth that area all encrusted with dried blood and fur from eating the neighbor's kittens as fast as her 10 un-neutered cats can pump them out.  He also shits on anything that moves slower than he does.

I am similar, only I still have both eyes.  For now.