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A change of tone
« on: April 21, 2009, 09:34:11 pm »
I hate making new topics. I always feel like I'm going to piss someone off by stepping on their carefully arranged threads and end up with a pair of gardening shears jammed in my trachea, and maybe a spade in my face if the person in question was particularly fond of this patch of topics. But sometimes, risks must be taken, as when I find myself with a good idea and no one to help me with it.

I am not fond of the view that the BIP was too dark. Have you seen where you're living? The BIP was a shiny beam of hope through the black cloudy sky of bad shit followed by worse piss. Attempting to make the BIP more friendly is like attempting to make the PD more batshit bonkers -- it's pointlessly beating a horse that should have been ground to dust long ago, the only difference is in degrees. The world isn't all sunshine and lollipops, folks.

Rather than rant, I want to save my pent up rage and sarcasm for a completely new work. This is not a BIP revamp, in fact it's only tangentially related to that particular work. A short discussion with Cain led me to change my tune that it should be completely dark though. Rather, it should start quite nice, with lots of artificial lights, things that seem comfortingly true, then break the bulbs one by one to show the hideous spectre behind the shininess.

In my short discussion with Cain, I came to the conslusion that this would be best served by using the major arcana of the tarot as metaphors, and Silent Hill's dark/light dichotomy for inspiration on how to handle the reversals.

Problem is, I'm not happy. I can't possibly be happy with this fucked up shithole we live in. I can't SEE the lights everyone else does.

So I need one of you hippies to help me write this.

For the interested: You should expect to write either a full page or a half page for each and every one of the Arcana (one or the other for all of them), emphasizing the "good" qualities of each that discordians and other TFYS groups see. Even if you don't agree with those lights, write them as convincingly as possible. Obviously, I will accept only one person for this position depending on who I feel is most fit for it in terms of viewpoint -- that means cynical assholes may go elsewhere and gleefully await the final product.

For the argumentative: I am not doing this to cater to mooks who prefer to frolick with the fairies in the fields even as the excrement begins to hit the ventilator. My goal here is to present something that dispells illusions, encourages pessimism, and MAKES PEOPLE THINK. Luckily, I doubt this will be addressed to many people -- you lot all seem to encourage creativity, regardless of whether or not you agree with the intent.

Interested parties should have some form of IM client so I can discuss the idea with them while we're working on the thing. IRC works too. Not entirely necessary, but it'd be a big, big help.

Aaand I think that's all. Sorry if I came off as a cunt here, I'm channelling the pure distilled wrath of the gods and that comes with side effects.
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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 09:40:12 pm »
How do you propose to tie the major Arcana to the BiP? I mean both can be used to discuss psychological concepts, but I'm not sure I see a very close tie here... maybe you could be a bit more detailed about what you'd like to see? I'm not sure how to tie "Rather, it should start quite nice, with lots of artificial lights, things that seem comfortingly true, then break the bulbs one by one to show the hideous spectre behind the shininess" with the arcana...

Of course, I'm not even sure how to tie that quote with the concept of the BiP, so....
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 09:42:17 pm »
I dunno, as a Discordian who works with Tarot, I really am not sure how I would tie it together.
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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 09:50:59 pm »
It's not a BIP revamp. Otherwise I'd just use a graveyard for the metaphor.

It's another TFYS-inspired thing entirely.

Sorry I didn't make that completely clear, should I edit the OP?

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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2009, 10:00:30 pm »
It's not a BIP revamp. Otherwise I'd just use a graveyard for the metaphor.

It's another TFYS-inspired thing entirely.

Sorry I didn't make that completely clear, should I edit the OP?

yes!

So you're looking for a bright view of *something* using the tarot arcana, but you want to eventually lead people to the darkness hiding behind the light?

But, is the *something* one's perception of reality/reality tunnels or imprints or something else?

We have arguments all the time about what the BiP 'is', Cainad talks about the two BiP's... which are you looking at here?
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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2009, 10:05:04 pm »
It's not a BIP in the regular sense. It's not a reality tunnel. It's a sort of defense mechanism that keeps us thinking "the world isn't all that bad and we shouldn't be pessimistic."

I'll edit the OP now.

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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2009, 10:25:10 pm »
I like the idea, and I would give it a shot if I had time, but I don't. Good luck with this.
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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2009, 10:35:13 pm »
I may have something for you, Erin.

Gimme some time to work it over a few times.

I'll most likely discuss it with you in IRC.

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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 10:42:11 pm »
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dispells illusions, encourages pessimism, and MAKES PEOPLE THINK

But, might pessimism not be just another illusion that makes it easy to not think? 'We're screwed and its not gonna change" doesn't seem to engender thinking...
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2009, 10:46:33 pm »
That would be fatalism. Pessimism and fatalism aren't mutually exclusive, but they aren't the same thing either.

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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2009, 10:47:37 pm »
That would be fatalism. Pessimism and fatalism aren't mutually exclusive, but they aren't the same thing either.

Well, then could you clarify what you're pessimism entails?
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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2009, 11:10:45 pm »
I worded that wrong. Cynicism is more in line with what I meant. Can't be assed editing right now.

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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2009, 10:18:46 am »
"Long hast thou dwelt in optimism - quit the light and seek the dark"

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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2009, 01:16:09 pm »
Sounds interesting, I'd like to try writing a few.
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Re: A change of tone
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2009, 04:01:19 pm »
Richter, I wanted this to be more focused than previous stuff like the BIP, with just me and one other person doing all of the writing. If you'd like to write all of the associate mental blocks, that's fine, but I can't accept just a few for various reasons, one of which is consistency.