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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2009, 09:38:37 am »
No matter how hard I stare I just don't see the real difference between the parties.
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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2009, 11:26:18 am »
my my...you're quite the optimist!
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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2009, 12:14:01 pm »
No matter how hard I stare I just don't see the real difference between the parties.

The differene is which set of lies you want to here.
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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2009, 12:22:06 pm »
They also spell their names differently which seems to be a tactic primarily employed to confuse the voters into thinking they have a choice.
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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2009, 12:32:16 pm »
There all all kinds of choices.  I prefer demanding a paper ballot and then writing obscenities on it.

Its about as useful as a real vote, moreso if you live in Utah, where the senator changes once every 39 (and counting) years.
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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2009, 01:42:18 pm »
I don't bother voting, being able to prioritise any action (even not voting as an ends in itself) as considerably more important than acting as if the whole concept of democracy was anything more than some crazed prehistoric greek fucker's vision of utopia.

I don't buy the "yeah its not perfect but it's better than the alternatives" argument either. That's like saying I should pick the smartest retard or the tallest midget. Why fucking bother?

The real thing that pisses me off about democracy is it's a wolf in sheeps clothing. It comes across as a nice, fluffy, idealistic pipedream but, like any idealistic pipedream it's implemented by pipedreaming idealists who are so easily taken in, and manipulated by cookie cutter power crazed dictators that you're dealing with a new royal family before the paint has even dried on the "freedom" signs but, unlike a traditional monarchy or dictatorship, you're less inclined to overthrow the tyrants because you've bought into the whole stupid notion that you have the power to instigate revolutionary change by putting a little 'X' in a little box.

Once and for all - there is no such thing as democracy, any more than there is such a thing as the power of invisibility or Hogwarts fucking School of Witchcraft and Wizardry - it's a fucking fairy story.  :argh!:

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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2009, 02:10:06 pm »
I don't bother voting, being able to prioritise any action (even not voting as an ends in itself) as considerably more important than acting as if the whole concept of democracy was anything more than some crazed prehistoric greek fucker's vision of utopia.

I don't buy the "yeah its not perfect but it's better than the alternatives" argument either. That's like saying I should pick the smartest retard or the tallest midget. Why fucking bother?

The real thing that pisses me off about democracy is it's a wolf in sheeps clothing. It comes across as a nice, fluffy, idealistic pipedream but, like any idealistic pipedream it's implemented by pipedreaming idealists who are so easily taken in, and manipulated by cookie cutter power crazed dictators that you're dealing with a new royal family before the paint has even dried on the "freedom" signs but, unlike a traditional monarchy or dictatorship, you're less inclined to overthrow the tyrants because you've bought into the whole stupid notion that you have the power to instigate revolutionary change by putting a little 'X' in a little box.

Once and for all - there is no such thing as democracy, any more than there is such a thing as the power of invisibility or Hogwarts fucking School of Witchcraft and Wizardry - it's a fucking fairy story.  :argh!:



You need to stop holding back and tell us exactly what you think about things!  :lulz:

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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2009, 03:15:07 pm »
Faugh!

That's right, modern democracy is no better than totalitarian rule by inbred royals and the Church. I mean obviously we still have no say in government, any dissent is quashed and people disappear or end up hanged for treason. If we do ANYTHING the Church doesn't like, we get burned at the stake, just like then... yep no differences at all.

And its obvious that the President has full power to do anything he wants with no checks or balances.

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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2009, 03:45:30 pm »
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/29/feehery.specter.gop/index.html

Interesting take by a Republican on the Specter fallout.
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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2009, 04:12:21 pm »
Olympia Snowe made an interesting and similar commentary on Specter switching to the Dems.  What was interesting about her comment was how she referred to the GOP tactics of alienating moderates. 

I'm paraphrasing here but instead of saying "our tactics" she said "their tactics", as if she was not a part of the GOP.  I'm sure it was just a verbal faux-pas, and I don't think she's really going to literally leave the GOP, but I think, in her head, she knows that she at this point is pretty much only viewed as a Republican in name only. 
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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2009, 04:18:27 pm »
There was a bit in the CNN article Rat posted that said pretty something similar:

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An unspoken part of this strategy has always been to play on the resentments of the largely white and conservative base toward other people, be they communists, liberals, blacks, immigrants, gays or atheists.


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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2009, 05:31:04 pm »
Faugh!

That's right, modern democracy is no better than totalitarian rule by inbred royals and the Church. I mean obviously we still have no say in government, any dissent is quashed and people disappear or end up hanged for treason. If we do ANYTHING the Church doesn't like, we get burned at the stake, just like then... yep no differences at all.

And its obvious that the President has full power to do anything he wants with no checks or balances.

LEARN 2 HISTORY  :argh!:

Maybe society has evolved in spite of shifts in politics. Maybe after hundreds of years the tyrants realised that it was much easier to just pull a bunch of wool over a bunch of eyes, rather than ride through the streets torturing an maiming.

People still disappear and people still get killed. It's just that nowadays they usually have a nice bedtime story handy to put enquiring minds to rest. Much easier and more cost effetive to say "it's okay folks we're having an inquest" and society will swallow that bullshit til it's backed up to their collective eyeballs.

Thousands of years of progress has given us shit like mobile phones and microprocessors you honestly think world domination is still stuck in the dark ages?
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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2009, 06:36:53 pm »
There was a bit in the CNN article Rat posted that said pretty something similar:

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An unspoken part of this strategy has always been to play on the resentments of the largely white and conservative base toward other people, be they communists, liberals, blacks, immigrants, gays or atheists.


Republicans: The party of douchebags.

And that was from a big player in the GOP.

I mean the Democrats play on opposite fears and stereotypes, but that's a pretty damning statement from one of the party 'faithful'.

So here's a question, it's a fluffy hippie one, but one that Sjaantze and I have been digesting for a few weeks.

When we look at the political machinations in the US, there appears to be a dramatic shift in the age groups involved. More importantly those younger citizens appear to be having a dramatic impact on both parties... or at least are involving themselves in big fights within both parties. The Internet is probably a part of this, but... if you will allow me to get esoteric for a second.

The Age of Aquarius?

IF we put on the astrological model for a moment, could we justly discuss the Age of Aquarius and its effect on our current Strange Times?

The Age of Aquarius is related to electricity, and here we are pushing for major changes in energy production.
The Age of Aquarius is related to computers, and here we sit on one of the most advanced computer networks, using some of the most advanced technology and brand new communication tools.
Democracy, Freedom, Humanitarianism, Nonconformity are all associated with the Age of Aquarius.

All of those seem to be driving forces among the generations born after the supposed dawning of the Age of Aquarius.

Megan McCain might be a good example of what I'm talking about here. If the ideals of the GOP are in decline (20some percent now say they're Republican?) and many young 'conservatives' (in my experience) seem more like Megan in their views than Newt and friends. Stepping away from the Sun God, stepping away from the old Aeon of Death focused patriarchs and a rise of humanitarians focused on a much less 'good old boys' sort of view...

Those that follow the dying god seem to be losing ground; the geocentric/egocentric view of the world seems to be fading among the post-hippie generations. (geocentric. = OMG THE SUN IS DYING!!! and associated psychological ramifications). The last age was the age of Pisces, the age of the fish, the age of religion as mass control and some astrological nerds claim that the passing of the age of Pisces to Aquarius will take perhaps 50 or more years (which depending on the theory, would mean that Pisces would be gone by 2020 or sooner).

Could it be that we are indeed in the Age of Aquarius? Perhaps it was too late for those who danced to 'Let the Sun Shine', perhaps since they were born before the Age, they couldn't be successful in bringing it to fruition... perhaps it is their children, those truly born of this Age that will bring about the change hoped for in the past. We're talking about a span of time that involves 2000+ years, so a few decades to get things running might not be surprising.

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Of course, I'm just using this as a model... the real question could be reworded to something like:

The generations of people born since the  early 70's appear to be less and less interested in the Religious Right and far more interested in humanitarian causes. People born in the 80s seem even further influenced in this way... "The Age of Aquarius" may just be a label, but the ideas tied to it seem to be gaining ground quickly. It may not be 'the stars' making these changes, just the natural evolution of humanity. One could argue that such concepts are visible in RAW/Leary's views of consciousness evolution. In fact, after the '06 election RAW said he was mildly hopeful since the Democrats seemed slightly more focused on 3rd/4th circuit processing, rather than the more backward GOP 2nd circuit focus.

Just a tiny spark of optimism, I don't think its likely... but I can dream ;-)



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Maybe society has evolved in spite of shifts in politics. Maybe after hundreds of years the tyrants realised that it was much easier to just pull a bunch of wool over a bunch of eyes, rather than ride through the streets torturing an maiming.

People still disappear and people still get killed. It's just that nowadays they usually have a nice bedtime story handy to put enquiring minds to rest. Much easier and more cost effetive to say "it's okay folks we're having an inquest" and society will swallow that bullshit til it's backed up to their collective eyeballs.

Thousands of years of progress has given us shit like mobile phones and microprocessors you honestly think world domination is still stuck in the dark ages?

No, I don't think World Domination is stuck in the dark ages. I do, however, think that its much better to be living in a modern democracy than in a dark age monarchy. It's not perfect, in fact giant chunks of it suck... but it beats the HELL out of most governments that people lived under previously.

You still can't trust the bastards, but the people do have more power than they used to. Not as much power as some of them think... but more than a serf in 1090 England, or a woman in 1650's Venice...
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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2009, 07:17:04 pm »
Or, it could be that we're just cycling through another period of cultural shifts: the pendulum swings, after all.

We just went through 8 years of being led by what could be called the logical conclusion of social conservatism, and all the holy fucktardedness of what that entails.  It makes sense that the cultural perspective would soon shift the other way.  The 60's radicals became the 80's douchebag capitalists, after all.  The clock on the wall says it's time to head the other way.


Of course, you could also say that this proves the theory that increased communication and increased intelligence leads to a more liberal mode of thought.  That's much nicer to say.

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Re: BREAKING: Arlen Specter becoming a Democrat
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2009, 08:30:46 pm »
Or, it could be that we're just cycling through another period of cultural shifts: the pendulum swings, after all.

We just went through 8 years of being led by what could be called the logical conclusion of social conservatism, and all the holy fucktardedness of what that entails.  It makes sense that the cultural perspective would soon shift the other way.  The 60's radicals became the 80's douchebag capitalists, after all.  The clock on the wall says it's time to head the other way.


Of course, you could also say that this proves the theory that increased communication and increased intelligence leads to a more liberal mode of thought.  That's much nicer to say.

 :lulz:

Although, I would point out that the past 8 years were not the logical conclusion of social conservatism... Bush wasn't really conservative in any way shape or form. He made no impact on the big social conservative issues; gay marriage seems to be on more firm ground now than in 2000, abortion law hasn't been successfully challenged. At worst, Bush's 'social conservative' views gave us pharmacists that could say No to the Day After pill. For all that he preached on the campaign trail, that's a tiny bump. Inside the beltway, social conservatives are mocked, or so I'm told. Bush wasn't even good at Fiscal conservatism... at best he showed us the logical conclusion of nationalism, neoconservative views and his own brand of dumb American Cowboy.

I mean really, when I think about what I feared from a Bush reign (which wasn't torture and war, but all the social conservative bullshit) I have to say we escaped relatively unharmed on that front. Inconvenienced sure, ala stem cell research, but that's about it.
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