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The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« on: June 22, 2009, 09:44:53 pm »
... and throw Jesus lovers in prison
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http://cc.org/blog/ronald_reagan_christina_popa_and_religious_freedom

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"To those who would crush religious freedom, our message is plain:  you may jail your believers.  You may close their churches, confiscate their Bibles, and harass their rabbis and priests, but you will never destroy the love of God and freedom that burns in their hearts.  They will triumph over you."    These remarks were in President Ronald Reagan's speech to the National Religious Broadcasters on January 31, 1981, during his second week in office as president and a couple months before he was almost assassinated. 

Undoubtedly, President Reagan was mostly speaking to the communist dictatorships in the world at the height of the Cold War.  However, if he was president this year, he could well be speaking to Canada and Sweden, etc. which have thrown pastors in jail for preaching the Bible from their pulpits on politically-incorrect topics.   

America is quite close to emulating these countries, so President Reagan could just as well be warning the ACLU-types and other left-wingers in America whose ultimate goal is to establish similar laws as Sweden, Canada, etc. using such laws as so-called "hate crime" laws to stifle religious freedom.  Indeed, the United States Congress is very close to passing such a "hate crime" law which Barack Obama has promised to sign into law. 
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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 10:00:11 pm »
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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 10:00:11 pm »
I'm actually on the article writer's side in this case, I think Canada's 'Hate Speech' law stifles too much free speech.

I would prefer to have someone's unpopular views be countered intelligently, and/or that person be mocked publicly, but tossed in jail for an unpopular view seems to me completely contrary to the view Canada tries to promote as a "free country".
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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 10:06:10 pm »
Hate crimes are not the same as hate speech laws though.

Hate crimes are where you commit (usually violent) crimes against people due to them being part of a racial, political, religious or sexual orientation grouping.  Hate crimes are more damaging than normal variations of the same crime, and there is English common law precedence concerning intent as well.

If you don't want to be found guilty of a hate crime, then its very simple: don't go beating up blacks, Jews, socialists and gays because they are black, Jewish, socialists or gay.

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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2009, 10:06:35 pm »
you can't be thrown in jail cause of hate speech in Canada...
the case the other is talking about happened in Saskatchewan and was a filling against the Christian Truth Activists, who were disputing fliers, which supposedly encouraged violence against Homosexuals... I think it was a ridicules fine, usually they are about 1000 dollars for hate speach but i think this one was about 17 000
Though I agree with you Hoopla in principle and in the case in question, this far, far from putting people in jail
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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2009, 10:11:52 pm »
But the problem is people DO get put in jail in Canada for Hate Speech, and people are also denied entrance to Canada for it.  Hell, there's a group trying to get George W. Bush barred from entering Canada at the moment.

I don't have time to look right now, but I will get the citations tonight about that.

However, concerning hate crimes, I totally agree.  I won't stomach violence of any sort.
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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2009, 10:14:43 pm »
OK, but I felt the distinction should be made because US fundamentalists have been muddying the waters when it comes to hate speech vs hate crimes, claiming both are the same thing and so attempts to enlarge the US hate crimes bill would be a charter for the arrest of Christians (in Obama's socialistic-Marxist UN inspired gangster ghetto NWO), which is patent bullshit and pathetically paranoid.

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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2009, 10:15:38 pm »
The first thing I thought of when reading the title of this thread was: ...and thats a bad thing, how?

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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2009, 10:22:54 pm »
Hate crimes are not the same as hate speech laws though.

Hate crimes are where you commit (usually violent) crimes against people due to them being part of a racial, political, religious or sexual orientation grouping.  Hate crimes are more damaging than normal variations of the same crime, and there is English common law precedence concerning intent as well.

If you don't want to be found guilty of a hate crime, then its very simple: don't go beating up blacks, Jews, socialists and gays because they are black, Jewish, socialists or gay.
doesn't this become a bit of a catch 22? if i get in a bar fight with a gay black Jew etc over unrelated reasons (including self defence) and stomp him sucsessfuly, i become a commiter of hate crimes and may be imprisoned, in a situation where if i did the exact same thing to a white  chritian redneck i would be set free and maybe even be given a slap on the back for defending myself..
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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2009, 10:25:26 pm »
pathetically paranoid
actually on the large scale there seems to be a planned effort
of smashing any social grouping when it grows too large, in efforts to keep the majority where it is.



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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2009, 10:27:17 pm »
OK, but I felt the distinction should be made because US fundamentalists have been muddying the waters when it comes to hate speech vs hate crimes, claiming both are the same thing and so attempts to enlarge the US hate crimes bill would be a charter for the arrest of Christians (in Obama's socialistic-Marxist UN inspired gangster ghetto NWO), which is patent bullshit and pathetically paranoid.

Agreed, I didn't mean to mix up the two.
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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 10:38:56 pm »
The only ones I could think of Hoopla is Bill Whatcott and the prolifers who protested at the University of Calgary... but Bill was actually arrested by the Provincial police for "trespassing" on an abortion clinic.. and the protesters were arrested for the exact same thing... and probably wouldn't have been arrested if they dispersed when the police told them to.. then there was the famous case of the Albertan holocaust survivor... but that was appealed and the appeal was upheld by the supreme court... to a year a probation

Now I'm only familiar with the ones the Christian Right brings up, and in each of those cases the crime they were arrested for varies from what they say...

but of course I could be missing one....

EDIT: talking about people who actually served time

EDIT 2: i forgot about Brad Love who was put in jail for 18 months, but he also sent something like 20 000 letters out to public officials, many of them person threats.
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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2009, 10:42:39 pm »
If we're not putting this fuck in jail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Whatcott

I dont think the Christian Right has anything to worry about
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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2009, 10:47:51 pm »
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Re: The US will become like Canada and Sweden...
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2009, 10:53:35 pm »
Hate crimes are not the same as hate speech laws though.

Hate crimes are where you commit (usually violent) crimes against people due to them being part of a racial, political, religious or sexual orientation grouping.  Hate crimes are more damaging than normal variations of the same crime, and there is English common law precedence concerning intent as well.

If you don't want to be found guilty of a hate crime, then its very simple: don't go beating up blacks, Jews, socialists and gays because they are black, Jewish, socialists or gay.
doesn't this become a bit of a catch 22? if i get in a bar fight with a gay black Jew etc over unrelated reasons (including self defence) and stomp him sucsessfuly, i become a commiter of hate crimes and may be imprisoned, in a situation where if i did the exact same thing to a white  chritian redneck i would be set free and maybe even be given a slap on the back for defending myself..

Its really not that easy to get it labled a hate crime. There was what many would have considered a hate crime over the death of a gay man (apparently there was a fight about a cigarrette between two drunk men, and the one pushed the gay man over; he broke his neck on the curb and the other didn't find out till he was arrested). There was a phone call involved where this guy called the gay man a faggot, but he didn't know the guy was actually gay, and it was probably just drunken idiocy on his part. Many people really wanted to call this a hate crime but it wasn't.

Here's the wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_W._Kennedy It gives only one account of what happened, of which there were several, and after discussing it with members of the campus GSA it became clear that no one really knows what happened. The point is, this wasn't considered a hate crime under the law because there ISN'T a hate crime law in SC. Many states don't have hate crime laws at all. Even if there was a hate crime law it may not have been considered for it.

Whatever your opinion of the case may be, its obvious that the librul bias throwing all the wonderful Christians in jail just isn't happening.
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