Author Topic: Is it just me or is distaste for Libertarianism contradictory to discordianism?  (Read 46600 times)

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Also back to the OP question. You're butt-hurt learn to take criticism or keep crying.

I don't feel butthurt.

I'm actually a lot more *whatever* about a lot of things than comes across when I'm ranting about a some shit. I don't like governments OR corporations in the business of legislating what I do with my body, what I carry, where I live, etc but I also see wisdom in socialized functions.

I guess more than anything, I'm butthurt that people seem to have this hard-and-fast idea in their heads that use of the word "libertarian" necessarily makes me a teabagger.


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Also back to the OP question. You're butt-hurt learn to take criticism or keep crying.

I don't feel butthurt.

I'm actually a lot more *whatever* about a lot of things than comes across when I'm ranting about a some shit. I don't like governments OR corporations in the business of legislating what I do with my body, what I carry, where I live, etc but I also see wisdom in socialized functions.

I guess more than anything, I'm butthurt that people seem to have this hard-and-fast idea in their heads that use of the word "libertarian" necessarily makes me a teabagger.

Is that actually an unreasonable assumption?

Is it unreasonable to expect that someone who identifies as a "conservative" is against gun control, and gay marriage?

Sure, there are exceptions, but is it an unreasonable expectation?
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Like Nigel said, the terminology has changed.  It may be more conducive to communication if you describe yourself as an Anarchist.  Even Left-Libertarian doesn't convey what you are trying to convey since most left-Libertarians focus on civil issues first, but they still don't want any taxes.

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I can't keep up. I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption but if people are going to assume, I hope they're onboard with me clarifying.

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I can't keep up. I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption but if people are going to assume, I hope they're onboard with me clarifying.

Explain away... it's just that it's getting a little like explaining that "National Socialist" doesn't necessarily mean "Nazi".
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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I can't keep up. I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption but if people are going to assume, I hope they're onboard with me clarifying.

Explain away... it's just that it's getting a little like explaining that "National Socialist" doesn't necessarily mean "Nazi".

I was about to agree but the Golden Dawn is changing it's connotation quite quickly... I guess it's easier for a word to pick up the negative connotations then it is to lose them.
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The biggest flaw in the OP is the weird belief that a social structure means you can't be an individualist.

You are far more likely to be yourself if you can be yourself and not have to worry about starving to death or dying of staph infection.
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You are far more likely to be yourself if you can be yourself and not have to worry about starving to death or dying of staph infection.
exactly this
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The biggest flaw in the OP is the weird belief that a social structure means you can't be an individualist.

You are far more likely to be yourself if you can be yourself and not have to worry about starving to death or dying of staph infection.
Holy thread resurrection Batman!  I’ve been chewing through this thread for the past week and still didn’t expect that timeline jump.

Has anyone else read this https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/
on the calcification of socioeconomic status in the US?  There’s a lot in there so it’s been on my mind the past few days, particularly the differences between the US and developed countries with lower intergenerational economic elasticity.  That collectivism that Nigel mentioned seems to be a big step towards not elevating the powerful at the expense of the weak.  Japan, who is substantially better than us in IGE, has that sense of community and collective support that we in the US have lost (what little we had to begin with).  Scandinavia is crushing it here, somehow having come to the conclusion that they shouldn’t let people die poor, homeless, and uninsured.  That whole “bootstrap” mentality here leaves US thinking that anyone not rich is, at best, too lazy to help themselves.

There are plenty of changes we could make in this current system to improve the situation, some incremental and some significant shifts: cutting the mortgage interest deduction, taxing investment income more, increasing education funding, increasing earned income tax credits, universal healthcare, basic income, or just upping the minimum wage would all help.  The problem is that there’s so much money and power going into keeping things status quo that it’s hard to muster enough energy to make any headway.

I still worry that Foucault was right in his analysis of power structures, and I’m sure there’s a need for Discordian injection of weirdness to shake things up, but however inherently flawed the system is there are sure to be ways we could make things a little less awful just by tweaking here and there.  Or maybe I’m just an ignorant optimist too stupid to realize that life is pain and suffering and we just have to take it.

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You are far more likely to be yourself if you can be yourself and not have to worry about starving to death or dying of staph infection.
exactly this

Well this and the fact that they want to let corporations just run wild; what with corporations being a major producer of tyranny.

That said, they're otherwise better than the two major parties. We need a party that's like the libertarians when it comes to the behavior of individuals, but like the democrats when it comes to corporations and safety nets for poverty and disease.
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