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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #540 on: October 15, 2015, 03:04:21 am »
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I'm not sure I want to know the context...

Okay true story: I was watching the Demcratic debate last night live streaming on cnn.  Right around the 2½ hour mark my feed started getting stupid until eventually, right at this precise time in the show my feed began freezing up.  And then Hillary uttered those remarks--which I happened to get incorrect.  She said it even better, because she emphasized the word LITERALLY--literally at the beginning of the quote. i fucked it up.  She literally says, "LITERALLY, President Obama and I were HUNTING for the Chinese." and my stupid feed kept screwing up and i kept gut laughing.     
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Then she gets all Chuck Norris about it if you keep listening. 

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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #541 on: November 11, 2015, 12:42:07 am »
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I don’t want to debate. I want to talk about my pain.

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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #542 on: November 11, 2015, 01:29:48 am »
That's some out of context bullshit, right there. Go pound sand.

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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #543 on: November 11, 2015, 01:38:53 am »
That's some out of context bullshit, right there. Go pound sand.
Please explain the context where it doesnt translate to "Bawwwwwwwwww"


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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #544 on: November 11, 2015, 01:41:26 am »
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://yaleherald.com/op-eds/hurt-at-home/

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As a Silimander, I feel that my home is being threatened. Last week, Erika Christakis, the associate master of Silliman College, sent an email to the Silliman community that called an earlier entreaty for Yalies to be more sensitive about culturally appropriating Halloween costumes a threat to free speech. In the aftermath of the email, I saw my community divide. She did not just start a political discourse as she intended. She marginalized many students of color in what is supposed to be their home. But more disappointing than the original email has been the response of Christakis and her husband, Silliman Master Nicholas Christakis. They have failed to acknowledge the hurt and pain that such a large part of our community feel. They have again and again shown that they are committed to an ideal of free speech, not to the Silliman community.

Today, when a group of us, organized originally by the Black Student Alliance at Yale, spoke with Christakis in the Silliman Courtyard, his response once again disappointed many of us. When students tried to tell him about their painful personal experiences as students of color on campus, he responded by making more arguments for free speech. It’s unacceptable when the Master of your college is dismissive of your experiences. The Silliman Master’s role is not only to provide intellectual stimulation, but also to make Silliman a safe space that all students can come home to. His responsibility is to make it a place where your experiences are a valid concern to the administration and where you can feel free to talk with them about your pain without worrying that the conversation will turn into an argument every single time. We are supposed to feel encouraged to go to our Master and Associate Master with our concerns and feel that our opinions will be respected and heard.

But, in his ten weeks as a leader of the college, Master Christakis has not fostered this sense of community. He seems to lack the ability, quite frankly, to put aside his opinions long enough to listen to the very real hurt that the community feels. He doesn’t get it. And I don’t want to debate. I want to talk about my pain.

My dad is a really stubborn man. We debate all the time, and I understand the value of hearing differing opinions. But there have been times when I have come to my father crying, when I was emotionally upset, and he heard me regardless of whether or not he agreed with me. He taught me that there is a time for debate, and there is a time for just hearing and acknowledging someone’s pain.

I have had to watch my friends defend their right to this institution. This email and the subsequent reaction to it have interrupted their lives. I have friends who are not going to class, who are not doing their homework, who are losing sleep, who are skipping meals, and who are having breakdowns. I feel drained. And through it all, Christakis has shown that he does not consider us a priority.

Christakis attended the forum on Erika’s email at the Afro-American Cultural Center on Wed., Nov. 4, where students were vulnerable and shared deeply personal stories. After leaving the event early, Christakis tweeted an article on his personal account about the importance of free speech. Then, he retweeted his tweet using the Silliman Twitter handle. This is a clear and flagrant violation. No one should use the Silliman Twitter as a personal platform. The residential college Twitters are a place to share information relevant to everyone in the community; no one consented to having Christakis’ personal view published in a manner that indicated that the community was behind him. The event was indicative of a bigger issue: Christakis is using Silliman college as his intellectual sparring ground.

Further, Christakis has yet to truly acknowledge to the entire Silliman community that he has hurt people. The closest he has gotten to this is sending out an open invitation to brunch at his house to further discuss the issue. Essentially, it was an invitation to debate more. But we don’t want to debate more. We want to be able to go home at night in a place where we feel welcome and wanted.

Christakis’ actions have not been aimed at healing a divided community. Instead, they continue to frame the issue in an “us against them” split. Christakis needs to stop instigating more debate. He needs to stop trying to argue with people who are hurting, regardless of his personal opinions. Being the Master of Silliman is a position of power. To use it to marginalize so much of the student body is deplorable.

Today, when many of us, mostly students of color and Sillimanders, confronted Nicholas Christakis in the Silliman Courtyard, he said he was sorry that we were feeling pain. But is he really? I don’t think he understands what many Sillimanders are going through, nor has he tried.

Christakis hasn’t checked in on any of us. He hasn’t given us any indication that he is going to or wants to heal the community. If you know I’m in pain and you aren’t doing anything to try to help me, then how can you be sorry? Christakis is the Master of Silliman College, it is his job to take care of us, and he is failing.

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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #545 on: November 11, 2015, 01:45:30 am »
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I have had to watch my friends defend their right to this institution. This email and the subsequent reaction to it have interrupted their lives. I have friends who are not going to class, who are not doing their homework, who are losing sleep, who are skipping meals, and who are having breakdowns.

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Dear Sillimanders:

Nicholas and I have heard from a number of students who were frustrated by the mass email sent to the student body about appropriate Halloween-wear. I’ve always found Halloween an interesting embodiment of more general adult worries about young people. As some of you may be aware, I teach a class on “The Concept of the Problem Child,” and I was speaking with some of my students yesterday about the ways in which Halloween – traditionally a day of subversion for children and young people – is also an occasion for adults to exert their control.

When I was young, adults were freaked out by the specter of Halloween candy poisoned by lunatics, or spiked with razor blades (despite the absence of a single recorded case of such an event). Now, we’ve grown to fear the sugary candy itself. And this year, we seem afraid that college students are unable to decide how to dress themselves on Halloween.

I don’t wish to trivialize genuine concerns about cultural and personal representation, and other challenges to our lived experience in a plural community. I know that many decent people have proposed guidelines on Halloween costumes from a spirit of avoiding hurt and offense. I laud those goals, in theory, as most of us do. But in practice, I wonder if we should reflect more transparently, as a community, on the consequences of an institutional (which is to say: bureaucratic and administrative) exercise of implied control over college students.

It seems to me that we can have this discussion of costumes on many levels: we can talk about complex issues of identify, free speech, cultural appropriation, and virtue “signalling.” But I wanted to share my thoughts with you from a totally different angle, as an educator concerned with the developmental stages of childhood and young adulthood.

As a former preschool teacher, for example, it is hard for me to give credence to a claim that there is something objectionably “appropriative” about a blonde-haired child’s wanting to be Mulan for a day. Pretend play is the foundation of most cognitive tasks, and it seems to me that we want to be in the business of encouraging the exercise of imagination, not constraining it. I suppose we could agree that there is a difference between fantasizing about an individual character vs. appropriating a culture, wholesale, the latter of which could be seen as (tacky)(offensive)(jejeune)(hurtful), take your pick. But, then, I wonder what is the statute of limitations on dreaming of dressing as Tiana the Frog Princess if you aren’t a black girl from New Orleans? Is it okay if you are eight, but not 18? I don’t know the answer to these questions; they seem unanswerable. Or at the least, they put us on slippery terrain that I, for one, prefer not to cross.

Which is my point. I don’t, actually, trust myself to foist my Halloweenish standards and motives on others. I can’t defend them anymore than you could defend yours. Why do we dress up on Halloween, anyway? Should we start explaining that too? I’ve always been a good mimic and I enjoy accents. I love to travel, too, and have been to every continent but Antarctica. When I lived in Bangladesh, I bought a sari because it was beautiful, even though I looked stupid in it and never wore it once. Am I fetishizing and appropriating others’ cultural experiences? Probably. But I really, really like them too.

Even if we could agree on how to avoid offense – and I’ll note that no one around campus seems overly concerned about the offense taken by religiously conservative folks to skin-revealing costumes – I wonder, and I am not trying to be provocative: Is there no room anymore for a child or young person to be a little bit obnoxious… a little bit inappropriate or provocative or, yes, offensive? American universities were once a safe space not only for maturation but also for a certain regressive, or even transgressive, experience; increasingly, it seems, they have become places of censure and prohibition. And the censure and prohibition come from above, not from yourselves! Are we all okay with this transfer of power? Have we lost faith in young people’s capacity – in your capacity – to exercise self-censure, through social norming, and also in your capacity to ignore or reject things that trouble you? We tend to view this shift from individual to institutional agency as a tradeoff between libertarian vs. liberal values (“liberal” in the American, not European sense of the word).

Nicholas says, if you don’t like a costume someone is wearing, look away, or tell them you are offended. Talk to each other. Free speech and the ability to tolerate offence are the hallmarks of a free and open society.

But – again, speaking as a child development specialist – I think there might be something missing in our discourse about the exercise of free speech (including how we dress ourselves) on campus, and it is this: What does this debate about Halloween costumes say about our view of young adults, of their strength and judgment?

In other words: Whose business is it to control the forms of costumes of young people? It’s not mine, I know that.

Happy Halloween.


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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #546 on: November 11, 2015, 02:42:38 pm »
That's some out of context bullshit, right there. Go pound sand.
Please explain the context where it doesnt translate to "Bawwwwwwwwww"

1. There is a persistent and serious problem of racism at Yale.
2. The Master's job is different than a professors'.  Their job is to counsel, guide, and support the students living in their houses.
3. The email you attached, from the wife of the Silliman Master, is a response to a prior email that requested, among other things, students not dress in blackface.
4. That means the email you attached says, "I think blackface is acceptable at Yale".
5. This pissed of a lot of the minority students who have directly suffered racism at Yale.
6. The Master, rather than support the students, instead said he agrees with the email; keep in mind, this means he's also saying blackface is ok.
7. The quote you pulled, then, is from a student addressing the Master, asking him to do his fucking job and support the students.



Asshole.

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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #547 on: November 11, 2015, 04:01:26 pm »
That's some out of context bullshit, right there. Go pound sand.
Please explain the context where it doesnt translate to "Bawwwwwwwwww"

1. There is a persistent and serious problem of racism at Yale.
2. The Master's job is different than a professors'.  Their job is to counsel, guide, and support the students living in their houses.
3. The email you attached, from the wife of the Silliman Master, is a response to a prior email that requested, among other things, students not dress in blackface.
4. That means the email you attached says, "I think blackface is acceptable at Yale".
5. This pissed of a lot of the minority students who have directly suffered racism at Yale.
6. The Master, rather than support the students, instead said he agrees with the email; keep in mind, this means he's also saying blackface is ok.
7. The quote you pulled, then, is from a student addressing the Master, asking him to do his fucking job and support the students.



Asshole.

Don't forget that this is the guy who freaked out and accused Twid of pandering because Twid was like "huh, maybe I should consider what black people think about this issue that primarily affects them".

He's as racist as his namesake.
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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #548 on: November 11, 2015, 07:22:00 pm »
That's some out of context bullshit, right there. Go pound sand.
Please explain the context where it doesnt translate to "Bawwwwwwwwww"

1. There is a persistent and serious problem of racism at Yale.
2. The Master's job is different than a professors'.  Their job is to counsel, guide, and support the students living in their houses.
3. The email you attached, from the wife of the Silliman Master, is a response to a prior email that requested, among other things, students not dress in blackface.
4. That means the email you attached says, "I think blackface is acceptable at Yale".
5. This pissed of a lot of the minority students who have directly suffered racism at Yale.
6. The Master, rather than support the students, instead said he agrees with the email; keep in mind, this means he's also saying blackface is ok.
7. The quote you pulled, then, is from a student addressing the Master, asking him to do his fucking job and support the students.



Asshole.
That's some out of context bullshit, right there. Go pound sand.
Please explain the context where it doesnt translate to "Bawwwwwwwwww"

1. There is a persistent and serious problem of racism at Yale.
2. The Master's job is different than a professors'.  Their job is to counsel, guide, and support the students living in their houses.
3. The email you attached, from the wife of the Silliman Master, is a response to a prior email that requested, among other things, students not dress in blackface.
4. That means the email you attached says, "I think blackface is acceptable at Yale".
5. This pissed of a lot of the minority students who have directly suffered racism at Yale.
6. The Master, rather than support the students, instead said he agrees with the email; keep in mind, this means he's also saying blackface is ok.
7. The quote you pulled, then, is from a student addressing the Master, asking him to do his fucking job and support the students.



Asshole.

1) Ok.
2) So, what in this situation should he have done counsel guide and support these student? Someone LITERALLY DISAGREED WITH THEM IN AN EMAIL.
3)This is the email right here, read it:
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Yale is a community that values free expression as well as inclusivity. And while students, undergraduate and graduate, definitely have a right to express themselves, we would hope that people would actively avoid those circumstances that threaten our sense of community or disrespects, alienates or ridicules segments of our population based on race, nationality, religious belief or gender expression.
Do you see one mention of blackface? One mention of institutionalized racism? Its vague. The kind of vague rules against "cultural appropriation" which have lead to shit like this, http://www.mrctv.org/blog/ontario-high-school-halloween-costume-can-t-appropriate-your-own-culture#.qurkbmx:xrxT

4) Wow. Reading comprehension. "I dont think its the schools job to tell people what to dress as" = "It is morally ok to dress in blackface."
5) Yeah that email literally triggered half the student body.
6) So The Master, disagreed with the students, and is therefore racist. Because again, the school not instituting ridiculously draconian and poorly defined regulations of costumes to protect the delicate fee-fees of the student body = YALE IS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT DOWN WITH BLACKFACE GRAB YOUR GREASEPAINT GRAB YOUR FRIED CHICKEN AND WATERMELLON ITS A MINSTREL HOLLOWEEN.
7) The demands of the protestors is that the person who sent TRIGGERING email either apologize or step down. Is there any reasonable response to that other than "free speech"?

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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #549 on: November 11, 2015, 07:28:23 pm »
Yeah, you really didn't read the entire email, right?

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However, Halloween is also unfortunately a time when the normal thoughtfulness and sensitivity of most Yale students can sometimes be forgotten and some poor decisions can be made including wearing feathered headdresses, turbans, wearing ‘war paint’ or modifying skin tone or wearing blackface or redface. These same issues and examples of cultural appropriation and/or misrepresentation are increasingly surfacing with representations of Asians and Latinos.


So, you know, fuck off.

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« Reply #550 on: November 11, 2015, 07:45:20 pm »

Don't forget that this is the guy who freaked out and accused Twid of pandering because Twid was like "huh, maybe I should consider what black people think about this issue that primarily affects them".

I didnt accuse him of pandering, I accused him of being a tool. Which is what he is. Hey remember in that thread what eventually resolved this deep existential crisis for Twid? It was any kind of examination of the values that he supposedly held, the only people arguing for free speech having any kind of value was me which was ignored by everyone but Roger. It was Roger making the very reasonable point that regardless of what the Black Hivemind of Black people who think identical Black thoughts and are the final word on all matters of Blackness thought, all that these laws would amount to is giving the powerful more power. Most people in Twids position( again the position of being manipulated) do not have that insight. They will gladly sign away what little rights they have left because someone threw a bunch of buzzwords around.

Whats really insidious about this whole affair, and that isnt hyperbole, is how this teaches people to think. Not what to think, HOW to think. In LMNO's mind the overtone window is, "Childish limits on adult behavior OR rolling out the red carpet for the clan." The idea that any of these people actually believe the words that are coming out of their fucking mouths is unthinkable. He immediately frames them as being PRO-RACISM. You cant be for Free Speech and against Blackface. Youre either for giving the school(the same one LMNO says is institutionally racist) the power to police the details of peoples lives, or youre a racist shitlord. Speaking of:

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He's as racist as his namesake.

Excellent meme. Again, it is impossible for someone to actually believe the words I am speaking therefore they must have an ulterior motive and that motive is that I am one of THOSE FUCKERS who are AFTER OUR SHIT. The games up. You caught me. I thought I would get the drop on all of you by thinking out my worldview and trying to explain it, but the truth is I just fucking hate niggers. I guess Ill return to my homeplanet now that my secret plot to be a stealth racist has been exposed.
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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #551 on: November 11, 2015, 07:50:53 pm »
Yeah, you really didn't read the entire email, right?

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However, Halloween is also unfortunately a time when the normal thoughtfulness and sensitivity of most Yale students can sometimes be forgotten and some poor decisions can be made including wearing feathered headdresses, turbans, wearing ‘war paint’ or modifying skin tone or wearing blackface or redface. These same issues and examples of cultural appropriation and/or misrepresentation are increasingly surfacing with representations of Asians and Latinos.


So, you know, fuck off.

Sorry. The place I got that from implied that it was the whole email.

Still waiting to hear the reply to everything else. Especially how suggesting that grown adults can police their own halloween costumes is racism.

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Re: Political quotes of the moment
« Reply #552 on: November 11, 2015, 08:45:40 pm »
4. That means the email you attached says, "I think blackface is acceptable at Yale".

Blackface being unacceptable is an obsolete reaction to their use in a form of entertainment which no longer exists and is only remembered in explanations of why blackface is offensive. There is no reason why it is inherently offensive and with minstrel shows dead and buried and decayed into a skeleton no good reason why it should currently be offensive at all.
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« Reply #553 on: November 11, 2015, 08:50:28 pm »
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« Reply #554 on: November 11, 2015, 09:30:51 pm »
It's what you're using the blackface for that should make the difference. If they've decided it's a necessary part of a crackhead or burglar costume then yes, that's very offensive and should be strongly discouraged, but if someone's using it as part of a President Obama costume then it should be ok
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