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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2009, 03:09:25 pm »
Florida Mental Health Acts.....

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0394/titl0394.htm&StatuteYear=2008&Title=%2D%3E2008%2D%3EChapter%20394

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1)  ADMINISTRATION.--The Department of Children and Family Services is designated the "Mental Health Authority" of Florida. The department and the Agency for Health Care Administration shall exercise executive and administrative supervision over all mental health facilities, programs, and services.

Well now doesn't that raise some interesting questions.....  

It is almost impossible to find a complete definition of the Baker Act.  That is why if you do sue, the results are almost always in your favor.  It is used over and over in FL to force people into 3 days of evaluation.  It then goes on to fuck up the rest of your life.  DCF keeps a record FOREVER.  You have no chance against them if you've been Baker Acted unless you have sued and had the decision overturned and the records everywhere expunged.  The problem is, few people can afford to do that or know they need to.

The funds to cover the stay on the psych ward are not state or federally funded.  They charge your fucking insurance if you have it and if you don't they bill you for the rest of your life.  So, you go in for help, they decide you're a bit unstable, they get you Baker Acted against your will AND........

YOU GET TO PAY FOR IT!!!!!

People keep bringing up the Baker Act, which is indeed a crappy piece of legislation, but it's also irrelevant because this took place in AZ, not FL.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2009, 03:14:05 pm »
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Tucson has this health care called ACCCHS, which they give to people with low income, no income etc. And it is state law to send someone to a behavioral health facility for a suicide attempt. I don't understand where they get the funding from and it was against my wishes to be sent. I managed to get out after two days of it for reasons of telling them that it was making me worse being around people of the same caliber. They eventually sent me to another mental health outpatient program called SAMHC where they eventually diagnosed me with bipolar disorder and prescribed me some bizarre drugs for it. Then later on they sent me to one more outpatient facilities called La Frontera where they did much the same.

SAMHC is a temporary relief crisis center where they place you into one of the long term centers. I'm not exactly sure how the system works for this health care or how they pay for it. But, at this point they are receiving less funding for it and cut much of the help they offer.

i know this doesn't explain it all but this is the best i can do for the moment.

OK.

Approaching it as a suicide attempt rather than accidental overdose, that makes perfect sense. However, it rather directly contradicts some of the implications of your original post, which were that you received poor (even punishing) treatment because they treated you as if you were a druggie. Now you're saying they treated you as a suicide attempt.

Pick one.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2009, 03:20:49 pm »
Also, again, I am going to ask you what you WANTED them to have done. It sounds like, when confronted with a "cry for attention" suicide attempt, the ER staff put you in the waiting room and called around until they could find somewhere with room for you, and people who could come pick you up.

It REALLY sounds like what you wanted was for people to make a big fuss over you and send you home. However, that's completely unrealistic. ER staffs are not there to pamper mentally disturbed little girls who want attention, they're there to try to make sure nobody dies. You didn't die, and other than having to wait for a long time (which, as a less-urgent ER patient myself, I've experienced as well) it doesn't sound like anyone treated you badly.

So, what, exactly, do you want? What injustice are you trying to highlight?
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2009, 03:26:25 pm »
If a particular rant is a work-in-progress consolidation of emotion and thoughts, then upon dissection there are always going to be logical inconsistencies. For example - compare the OP with one of Rogers rants where the power comes from the fact that the emotion is backed up by a strong logical consistency.

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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2009, 03:34:48 pm »
And, actually, I'm a little unclear on that... I've never heard of an ER making someone go to drug treatment. Referring, yes.


My post below was in response to this...

Florida Mental Health Acts.....

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0394/titl0394.htm&StatuteYear=2008&Title=%2D%3E2008%2D%3EChapter%20394

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1)  ADMINISTRATION.--The Department of Children and Family Services is designated the "Mental Health Authority" of Florida. The department and the Agency for Health Care Administration shall exercise executive and administrative supervision over all mental health facilities, programs, and services.

Well now doesn't that raise some interesting questions..... 

It is almost impossible to find a complete definition of the Baker Act.  That is why if you do sue, the results are almost always in your favor.  It is used over and over in FL to force people into 3 days of evaluation.  It then goes on to fuck up the rest of your life.  DCF keeps a record FOREVER.  You have no chance against them if you've been Baker Acted unless you have sued and had the decision overturned and the records everywhere expunged.  The problem is, few people can afford to do that or know they need to.

The funds to cover the stay on the psych ward are not state or federally funded.  They charge your fucking insurance if you have it and if you don't they bill you for the rest of your life.  So, you go in for help, they decide you're a bit unstable, they get you Baker Acted against your will AND........

YOU GET TO PAY FOR IT!!!!!

People keep bringing up the Baker Act, which is indeed a crappy piece of legislation, but it's also irrelevant because this took place in AZ, not FL.

And what I was talking about happened in FL not AZ... 

I'm done, I hate being irrelevant!


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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2009, 04:00:23 pm »
I liked the OP, but in regards to the attitude of docs and nurses and various other "health professionals" (it's rare you enter a medical building and get an actual nurse or doctor anymore, it's usually an MA, RN or other incarnation of nurse)...I hear from the guy I've been married to for 14.5 years and seen through medical school and residency in pediatrics that the jaded attitude towards drugged-out teenagers is a danger when considering bedside manner.  It's true that when you sign on to a job, you sign on for the whole enchilada, especially if you are caring for human beings, and the decisions you make on their behalf will affect them for the rest of their lives.

But consider someone who's worked a 12-hour shift, been on their feet all day, and they see nothing but people who are wastoids, or who have been victimized by said waistoids.  How happy, cheery and patient do you think this person can be?  Their personal judgment aside, it's just so defeating to see young kid after young kid throwing themselves down through the garbage hole.

I'm not excusing unprofessionalism--I think that's the biggest weakness of most doctors and nurses.  A lot of them might have started out with great attitudes and the ability to cope with the amount of sheer humanity they'd have to see.  Especially ER docs and nurses.  But you get jaded and cynical easily when the bombardment of flesh that comes through your door manifests itself into a pile of people who give less of a shit about themselves than you do.  And it wears you right the fuck down.

And they are not people without their own problems, addictions and troubles as well.

Again, I'm not saying this is great reasoning for pushing the sick and weak around.  I'm saying there are few who can resist going down that path.  It takes a very specific and gifted person to be able to see that, day after day, and deal with it to the utmost of their abilities, and NOT fuck it up, in some way, NOT hurt themselves or someone else, in some way, because of what they have seen and whom they have seen before then.  And will see again.

Laws and hospital protocols aside, there is a certain amount of reinstitutionalization that happens when you work in an ER, county hospital or clinic.

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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2009, 04:03:00 pm »
And, actually, I'm a little unclear on that... I've never heard of an ER making someone go to drug treatment. Referring, yes.


My post below was in response to this...

Florida Mental Health Acts.....

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0394/titl0394.htm&StatuteYear=2008&Title=%2D%3E2008%2D%3EChapter%20394

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1)  ADMINISTRATION.--The Department of Children and Family Services is designated the "Mental Health Authority" of Florida. The department and the Agency for Health Care Administration shall exercise executive and administrative supervision over all mental health facilities, programs, and services.

Well now doesn't that raise some interesting questions..... 

It is almost impossible to find a complete definition of the Baker Act.  That is why if you do sue, the results are almost always in your favor.  It is used over and over in FL to force people into 3 days of evaluation.  It then goes on to fuck up the rest of your life.  DCF keeps a record FOREVER.  You have no chance against them if you've been Baker Acted unless you have sued and had the decision overturned and the records everywhere expunged.  The problem is, few people can afford to do that or know they need to.

The funds to cover the stay on the psych ward are not state or federally funded.  They charge your fucking insurance if you have it and if you don't they bill you for the rest of your life.  So, you go in for help, they decide you're a bit unstable, they get you Baker Acted against your will AND........

YOU GET TO PAY FOR IT!!!!!

People keep bringing up the Baker Act, which is indeed a crappy piece of legislation, but it's also irrelevant because this took place in AZ, not FL.

And what I was talking about happened in FL not AZ... 

I'm done, I hate being irrelevant!



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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2009, 04:06:14 pm »
And, actually, I'm a little unclear on that... I've never heard of an ER making someone go to drug treatment. Referring, yes.


My post below was in response to this...

Florida Mental Health Acts.....

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0394/titl0394.htm&StatuteYear=2008&Title=%2D%3E2008%2D%3EChapter%20394

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1)  ADMINISTRATION.--The Department of Children and Family Services is designated the "Mental Health Authority" of Florida. The department and the Agency for Health Care Administration shall exercise executive and administrative supervision over all mental health facilities, programs, and services.

Well now doesn't that raise some interesting questions..... 

It is almost impossible to find a complete definition of the Baker Act.  That is why if you do sue, the results are almost always in your favor.  It is used over and over in FL to force people into 3 days of evaluation.  It then goes on to fuck up the rest of your life.  DCF keeps a record FOREVER.  You have no chance against them if you've been Baker Acted unless you have sued and had the decision overturned and the records everywhere expunged.  The problem is, few people can afford to do that or know they need to.

The funds to cover the stay on the psych ward are not state or federally funded.  They charge your fucking insurance if you have it and if you don't they bill you for the rest of your life.  So, you go in for help, they decide you're a bit unstable, they get you Baker Acted against your will AND........

YOU GET TO PAY FOR IT!!!!!

People keep bringing up the Baker Act, which is indeed a crappy piece of legislation, but it's also irrelevant because this took place in AZ, not FL.

And what I was talking about happened in FL not AZ... 

I'm done, I hate being irrelevant!



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We have 4 different people here, talking about 5 different things.  People are getting in arguments, and they're not having the same conversation.

Yah, I know, that is why I'm done posting in this thread.    :sad:

I need to go paint the roses red again anyway!  :wink:

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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2009, 04:07:24 pm »


I need to go paint the roses red again anyway!  :wink:


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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2009, 04:16:45 pm »
I was just presenting a little-backed-up side.  The health care provider's.  They come from a position of power, so few think to present their side of the matter.  But yeah, being married to it, I know there's a bit of give and take they are presented in the middle of (think of the amount of people's SHIT (and sometimes LITERALLY SHIT) you have to shovel in that job! more than most of us would ever be able to handle and not have to be committed ourselves).

But I'll bow out if it's inappropriate or whatever.

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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2009, 04:30:41 pm »


I need to go paint the roses red again anyway!  :wink:


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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #56 on: October 29, 2009, 04:32:53 pm »
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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #57 on: October 29, 2009, 04:35:02 pm »
Aint been around in a while.

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« Reply #58 on: October 29, 2009, 04:38:04 pm »
Aint been around in a while.

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Re: ATTN: Roger, what the hell goes through these people's heads?
« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2009, 04:56:12 pm »
 :lulz:  yeah the name gave me a clue on that one lmao.