Cain, this is an amazing piece. I want to send it to everyone I know, especially the Bostonian Pinealists who keep bothering me.
The only reason I don't is the anticipation that you may edit the final paragraphs to your satisfaction.
Other than that, it is brilliant.
You're known to the Boston Pinealist crowd? There is
a Boston Pinealist crowd?
Well, any advice on where to improve it would be very helpful indeed. Which paragraphs in particular should be junked etc I can likely do it this weekend. And thanks.
Way I see it this has the potential to annihilate pinealism once and for all. If we can collectively turn out a manuscript based on this then I'd be surprised if we couldn't lay the original PD to rest. This is the next step.
Are you thinking Pinealism = passive nihilism or something here? I just want to make sure I am following the logic.
Genius. i loved it.
Nihilism is, in my opinion, the opiate of the 21st century. It is so easy to fall into apathy, to wish to cocoon yourself in a little bubble of comfort and nice things. Equally, it is easy to grow to despise everything around you, for not living up to childish and unrealistic ideas about the world, to the point that you cannot bear the gap between expectation and fact, and so let that frustration out in destructive and terrible ways.To me both are equally comforting, superficial, unrealistic and addictive... which isn't surprising given the common root. Physical comfort vs mental comfort. Not to forget also, the devastation and destruction waged in the pursuit of a consumerist society.
Could be, yes. There is also mental comfort in cynical apathy, too, if you wanted to complete the comparison. Still, their expressions are somewhat different (to borrow from Zizek, passive nihilism tends to result in structural violence, whereas radical nihilism seems to result in mostly subjective violence, ie violence performed by small groups or individuals).
You give a good exposition of fragments from "Der Wille Zur Macht" (titles vary, Will to Power i assume?)
Some 80-95% of the world still categorize themselves within a religious denomination, but on terms of orthopraxis, rarely anyone follows that specific moral code, but instead come up with pseudo or hybrid value systems.
Religion used to regulate and be the measuring stick of everything; now its primarily split between religion, money (production and consumption) and "safety".
The term "strong nihilism" i would equiparate it with a synonim of "dynamism" of "not stagnating", you know, to really make justice to what is being attempted to be expressed; a nihilism only in the sense that erradicates all the nonsense, giving the groundwork of a "groud zero" whereupon there can be built a new system.
Nihilism needs to be embraced to later on be overcome. The "point of truth" taht should be reference is "life". For if in the process of questioning all values, one questions existence/life itself, and one determines life doesnt have an intrinsec value, then indeed it is a pure nihilism, as an end, and not as a means.
Nihilism is, in my opinion, the opiate of the 21st century. It is so easy to fall into apathy, to wish to cocoon yourself in a little bubble of comfort and nice things.
Yes! See this is the decay of which i was expressing myself about one of its symptoms in the lackluster emo rant i made!
You're right, The Will To Power was an influence on this. I've had a copy of that for about seven or eight years now, it's a great read.
And your point is very similar to one made by Deleuze, who contrasts life and creativity (and resistance) with passive and radical nihilism (as an aside, it really is a shame he's dead, Deleuze would've loved Discordianism if he had heard of it, I'm certain. Even a passing familiarity with his readings show he valued chaos, freedom and creativity, and he was an exceptionally talented thinker).
If we can collectively turn out a manuscript based on this then I'd be surprised if we couldn't lay the original PD to rest. This is the next step.
I second this, for the lecture i recently made of the BIP left me with a vague feeling that speaking thru metaphors is one way of expressing what discordia is, but there must also be a more concrete and rigurous, parallel side to it.
Im gonna chew on the subject for some days and come up with something to write.
Sounds like a good plan. I've been trying to get more rigorous myself lately, by subjecting myself to some high grade philosophical texts. I haven't got anything ironed out yet (probably wont for years to come), but it's a start.
This is excellent, Cain. Thank you for writing it.
Going to go ferment on it in the shower for a while.
Thanks again, and not a problem.
I intend to read this a few more times over the coming days to better digest it. Excellent.
I agree whole heartedly.
Thanks as well
Cain, what are your thoughts on where new age fits into all this?
It may also be worthwhile to have more in-depth discussion of socioeconomic status as a driver behind passive acceptance or violent rejection of the world.
What circumstances are most favorable for an anti-nihilist current that is nihilism's completion?
The New Age strikes me as passive nihilism without the Christianity. It's largely about transcendent values and "personal betterment" which typically involves assimilating yourself more efficiently into the post-political social structure (New Age crap is fairly popular among a certain type of managerial thinker, for example). But I'll be honest, I don't know as much about the New Age movement to be able to talk about it in depth, only give surface impressions.
It could be. However, I know from previous instruction in terrorism studies that most terrorists can come from anywhere on the socio-economic scale. I would guess though that it is easier to buy into fundamentalism when you are poor (so the evidence seems to suggest) and that it is easier to live a consumerist lifestyle if you can actually afford to do so, so there is likely something to it.
I am really not sure. I'll keep an eye out, but I suspect such groups would probably exist at the margins and fringes of society.
This is one of the best things of read in OKM in a while. Thanks, Cain.
And thanks again.