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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #90 on: February 10, 2010, 11:54:56 pm »
No thanks. I'm not clicking that.  :cry:

Harlowe's monkey torture experiments were much worse.


They were baby monkeys.  They died of loneliness.
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #91 on: February 10, 2010, 11:55:36 pm »
Nor am I going to go looking for that.  :cry: :x
If someone does the ďFine, youíre right, Iím clearly a terrible person, Iím Satan, Iím the worst person alive, I should just dieĒ thing in response to criticism of their harmful behavior, they are trying to manipulate people and flip the situation around so that they look like a victim.

As a neuroscientist I have to disagree with the perception that anyone is doing mathematical modeling of cognitive intelligence, yet; intelligence as an economist defines it, yes, but economists are worlds away from actual cognition.


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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #92 on: February 10, 2010, 11:58:28 pm »
You could find one of those pathetic "real superheroes" that wander the internet. They would make entertaining, if very sad, nemeses.

Some of them are cool, like angle grinder man:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3112670.stm
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #93 on: February 10, 2010, 11:58:47 pm »
Nor am I going to go looking for that.  :cry: :x

No need to look, here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #94 on: February 11, 2010, 12:02:09 am »
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Some of them are cool, like angle grinder man:

For a second there, I thought that this guy might have had some angle grinder themed gadgets. But even that sad hope is destroyed. Why has no one ever bothered to actually do this shit seriously?
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #95 on: February 11, 2010, 12:04:28 am »
What I found interesting was this:

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It is also today considered unethical to evoke responses of fear in a laboratory setting, unless a participant has given informed consent to being intentionally frightened as part of an experiment.


So we can't evoke responses of fear in laboratories, but for reality TV shows it's ok?
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #96 on: February 11, 2010, 12:06:19 am »
Well yeah. Reality TV makes more money, at least in the short term. And who cares about five years from now, anyway?
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #97 on: February 11, 2010, 12:07:59 am »
I'm pretty sure they need to give informed consent on the reality show as well.  I don't know about "hidden camera" type things though.

Also note unethical - since when is reality television concerned with ethics?
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #98 on: February 11, 2010, 12:10:08 am »
If they ever did give a shit about ethics, they stopped caring the moment they realized that people liked watching assholes.
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #99 on: February 11, 2010, 12:11:12 am »
The hidden camera ones were the shows I was talking about.
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #100 on: February 11, 2010, 12:12:51 am »
I'm pretty sure they need to give informed consent on the reality show as well.  I don't know about "hidden camera" type things though.


They get them to sign the waiver afterwards.
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As a neuroscientist I have to disagree with the perception that anyone is doing mathematical modeling of cognitive intelligence, yet; intelligence as an economist defines it, yes, but economists are worlds away from actual cognition.


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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #101 on: February 11, 2010, 12:14:14 am »
But that is only to show it on TV, it doesn't change the fact that it happened.
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2010, 12:17:17 am »
Hm. I guess they don't ask them and just do it?
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As a neuroscientist I have to disagree with the perception that anyone is doing mathematical modeling of cognitive intelligence, yet; intelligence as an economist defines it, yes, but economists are worlds away from actual cognition.


Although it is outside the purview of this organization to offer personal advice, we can say -- without assuming any liability -- that previous experience indicates (and recent market studies corroborate) that given the present condition of the marketplace, continuing with your present course of action is likely to result in substantial in

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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #103 on: February 11, 2010, 01:34:57 am »
If they ever did give a shit about ethics, they stopped caring the moment they realized that people liked watching assholes.
I'm standing by my prediction that a reality show will finally kill someone this year. I thought that I had it when the captain from "Deadliest Catch" died a couple of days ago but it was an unrelated stroke.
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Re: Science, Kai...Pure Science, and be Damned to He Who Says "Enough".
« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2010, 01:39:24 am »
Dkr H-

After reading JR Platt's classic paper on Strong Inference, I'm not sure that I can even /be/ a mad scientist, since I'm not sure if the stuff I'm doing is even really science. I've been told that science doesn't have to be experimental, that research based upon observation and comparison can be perfectly good "science", but now reading this I'm not so sure.

Or maybe just my science (with a little s) is just piddly stuff compared to Science, which uses strong inference and conducts experiments and discovers all the answers to the Big Important Questionstm. I'm just the accessory, Doktor. I'm no scientist, I'm just mad.

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