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'Rape by deception'
« on: July 21, 2010, 06:16:31 pm »
Uh, OK?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10717186

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An Arab man convicted in Israel of rape because he pretended he was a Jew when he had consensual sex with a Jewish woman has called the verdict racist.

Sabbar Kashur, 30, was found guilty of "rape by deception" by the Israeli court and sentenced to 18 months in jail.

According to the complaint filed by the woman, the two met in a Jerusalem street in 2008 and had sex that day.

When she discovered he was not Jewish, but an Arab, she went to the police.

Kashur was arrested and charged with rape and indecent assault, but the charges were later replaced by a different charge of "rape by deception".

But according to Kashur, he did not pretend to be Jewish.

He told reporters that he is known by friends and family by the nickname Dudu, which is more commonly used by Jews called David.

He has been under house arrest for two years, he said.

"If I were Jewish, they wouldn't have even questioned me," the Haaretz newspaper quoted him as saying.

"That's not called rape, I didn't rape her in the forest and and throw her away naked. She agreed to everything that happened."

Well, I guess all those Arab Israelies aren't gonna throw themselves in prison.

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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2010, 06:18:02 pm »
Good grief.

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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2010, 06:39:21 pm »
I can see this if the deception in any way impaired her ability to give consent.

I can't see racism being a valid form of impairment.

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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2010, 10:42:56 pm »
I can see this if the deception in any way impaired her ability to give consent.

I can't see racism being a valid form of impairment.

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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2010, 10:44:01 pm »
That is fundamentally the same as if I had sex with a white man who assumed I was Italian, and then went to the police and accused me of "rape by deception" when he asked me and I told him I'm part black.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2010, 10:47:37 pm »
It's exactly the same.

And it shouldn't even count because she didn't even ask, so it can't have been that important to her.


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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2010, 11:20:16 pm »
The fuck!? :horrormirth:
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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2010, 12:04:26 am »
If it's rape when you have sex with someone who isn't exactly who you think they are, everyone is getting raped all the time.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2010, 12:11:56 am »
If it's rape when you have sex with someone who isn't exactly who you think they are, everyone is getting raped all the time.
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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2010, 12:24:13 am »
Are you who I think you are?

That depends on who you think I am.

Who do you think you are?

Whatever you want me to be, baby.

You're not Palestinian, are you?

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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2010, 09:56:53 pm »
Well, see he should have just called surprise at the end.... because everyone knows it's not rape if you call 'Surprise!'.


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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2010, 02:28:56 am »
If he wasn't circumcised, this woman really needs mental help. Otherwise, I still think she does.

I'm fairly certain circumcision is required of Muslims.
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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2010, 06:47:23 am »
Yeah.  Also it's Israel so I imagine, like say in the USA, circumcision is routinely practiced regardless of race or religion.

Also, it should be noted he is an Israeli-Arab, not necessarily a Muslim.  There are large Arab Christian communities in that part of the world, and they also feel the full brunt of the racism that is quite prevalent (and, at the moment, politically encouraged) in Israel.  Or he could even be secular, there is a long history of interaction between Arab and Socialist/Marxist groups in that region, and I believe the major Israeli-Arab political party is social democratic in orientation.

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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2010, 04:41:38 pm »
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People go to court for stupid reasons all the time, but a conviction...That sets a horrifying precedent.

Never would have happened if it were a Jew posing as a Christian.

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Re: 'Rape by deception'
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2010, 04:16:40 am »
I wanna say something like "WHAT THE FUCK IS IT WITH THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD????" but then I remember the grievous miscarries of justice in our system, and, well, yeah.

That said, this sucks ass.