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Re: American Civics and your future.
« Reply #105 on: July 26, 2010, 04:34:58 pm »
Also, if people tend not to use critical thinking in different contexts, and we know this, why don't the critical thinking classes stress that you need to be aware of different contexts?  To be self aware of potential pitfalls is to put a mental check on yourself.

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« Reply #106 on: July 26, 2010, 04:41:01 pm »
I know, but I think it bears repeating, especially considering the specious argument against teaching critical thinking.

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Re: American Civics and your future.
« Reply #107 on: July 26, 2010, 04:41:37 pm »
I've heard studies that suggest what Requia says is at least partially true, though I don't have the journal access to read the studies myself.

Anecdotally though, it seems to have some validity.  Atheists who are skeptical about religion, for example, but not economic fundamentalism.

Of course, that just suggests the need for lessons which show how to apply the methods to all these different facets.

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« Reply #108 on: July 26, 2010, 04:45:51 pm »
Critical Thinking and (Imma gonna beat this one into the ground) Media Literacy (TV, print, social media, etc.)

Both are skills and concepts both sides of the spectrum would embrace if you pitch it correctly.  And I agree critical thinking should be there from K to 12. 

And just to point out I pointed out early on that this wouldn't be a one-off class, and instead, a systematic delivery throughout the school career. 
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« Reply #109 on: July 26, 2010, 10:15:59 pm »
When i say single class, i don't mean one year, I mean one class at a time, k-12 or just 12 isn't what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #110 on: July 26, 2010, 11:46:24 pm »
When i say single class, i don't mean one year, I mean one class at a time, k-12 or just 12 isn't what I'm talking about.

Other than it can't be done, exactly what the hell ARE you saying?

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« Reply #111 on: July 27, 2010, 01:52:26 am »
Hmm, perhaps we need to rethink the idea of teaching CT, instead of 1 class, it should be intertwined with all the classes.  More difficult, but potentially vastly more useful.

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Re: American Civics and your future.
« Reply #112 on: July 27, 2010, 02:18:21 am »
Hmm, perhaps we need to rethink the idea of teaching CT, instead of 1 class, it should be intertwined with all the classes.  More difficult, but potentially vastly more useful.

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Re: American Civics and your future.
« Reply #113 on: July 27, 2010, 04:32:44 am »
It'd be nice if they could weave civics into some sort of Real Life Skills class that students would have to pass, at some point during the 4 years, to graduate high school. Other topics would include personal finance, the nightmare that is insurance, social vs. business connections, and.. I don't know, fucking time management.

I know the stronger need is to incorporate it into all subjects for all years--not to mention how beyond difficult it would be to convince the board of ed to add another course option, much less a required one--but I recall wishing this information was better communicated in school by age 15 or so.
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Re: American Civics and your future.
« Reply #114 on: July 27, 2010, 05:41:40 am »
It'd be nice if they could weave civics into some sort of Real Life Skills class that students would have to pass, at some point during the 4 years, to graduate high school. Other topics would include personal finance, the nightmare that is insurance, social vs. business connections, and.. I don't know, fucking time management.

I know the stronger need is to incorporate it into all subjects for all years--not to mention how beyond difficult it would be to convince the board of ed to add another course option, much less a required one--but I recall wishing this information was better communicated in school by age 15 or so.

School in itself, I think, is a preparation for some aspects of life. But it would be nice if they did teach specific life skills. I mean, nowadays things like cooking and cleaning are considered humdrum, but there still are a whole load of skills that get over-looked until you need them and then you think "Oh no, how am I supposed to do this?".

When I was in 7th grade our math teacher put the normal lesson aside to teach us about bank accounts and how to write a personal check. But that was a private school, I doubt things like that would go over in a public school environment.
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« Reply #115 on: July 27, 2010, 10:51:10 am »
When i say single class, i don't mean one year, I mean one class at a time, k-12 or just 12 isn't what I'm talking about.

Huh?  You want to try that sentence again? 

In any event, I was pretty clear that any element of critical thinking woven into the curricula would have to be systematic and designed to hit every grade level in school.  So either way your assertion was wrong.  Just own up to it or stfu. 
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Re: American Civics and your future.
« Reply #116 on: July 27, 2010, 03:08:27 pm »
Moot point now I guess.

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Re: American Civics and your future.
« Reply #117 on: July 27, 2010, 03:10:47 pm »
Hmm, perhaps we need to rethink the idea of teaching CT, instead of 1 class, it should be intertwined with all the classes.  More difficult, but potentially vastly more useful.

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