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Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« on: July 29, 2010, 12:02:49 pm »
The House's vote yesterday on emergency funding for the Afghanistan war shows a significant eroding of support for President Obama's war policy -- from members of his own Democratic Party.

There were 102 Democrats voting against the $33 billion in war funding. That's more than three times the number of Democrats (32) who voted against a similar funding bill in June 2009. (This year's war funding bill passed, 308-114.)

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/07/democrats-obama-afghanistan-war-/1?csp=obnetwork

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2010, 02:14:50 pm »
Well, the Pentagon has had egg on its face lately, that might be most of it.

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2010, 02:21:06 pm »
Well, the Pentagon has had egg on its face lately, that might be most of it.

I think they hear voter rumblings about the cost. We are getting deeper in debt and domestically we are in the tank. People are also slowly beginning to realize this is a waste of time.

Some of the drones have crashed, and I don't know what they cost each, but by the time recovery teams get to them they have been stripped by locals. Good old American technology being passed on cheerfully.

It is estimated we are going to all of this trouble for about 500 people, who are invisible. They are hunting ghosts. Bin Laden has probably died of boredom while waiting to be found. With the border situations in the area and the remote terrain the borders are less than lines in the dirt, so we have no idea where to find them.

The entire scenario disgusts me.

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 02:26:01 pm »
I think that there's little or no sympathy for the "we're bring Afghans their FREEDOM" reasoning the Bush and later Obama administrations have been trying to sell as well.  But Obama RAN on the premise that he'd be pulling OUT of war, not escalating it.  So add to the the Pentagon shinanigans, and yeah, it doesn't surprise me the House Left (which, like the House Right, tends to be more party-platformed) would do this.

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 03:19:17 pm »
Seven years and $90 billion and as soon as we leave, Al Queda will be free to set up shop again...

 :lulz:

Maybe this was just to break up the monotony.
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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 03:20:03 pm »
Seven years and $90 billion and as soon as we leave, Al Queda will be free to set up shop again...

 :lulz:

Maybe this was just to break up the monotony.

What makes you think they ever broke the shop down?

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 03:32:59 pm »
Yeah, I think it was just temporarily re-located to Pakistan.

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 03:49:35 pm »
Seven years and $90 billion and as soon as we leave, Al Queda will be free to set up shop again...

 :lulz:

Maybe this was just to break up the monotony.

What makes you think they ever broke the shop down?

Well they had to break it down to move it across the street to Pakistan! ;-)

LOL Jenne beat me to it!
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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 03:50:38 pm »
Seven years and $90 billion and as soon as we leave, Al Queda will be free to set up shop again...

 :lulz:

Maybe this was just to break up the monotony.

What makes you think they ever broke the shop down?

Well they had to break it down to move it across the street to Pakistan! ;-)

LOL Jenne beat me to it!

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 05:16:01 pm »
Seven years and $90 billion and as soon as we leave, Al Queda will be free to set up shop again...

 :lulz:

Maybe this was just to break up the monotony.

Silly squirrel, the war isn't about Al-Qaeda.

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Ever since the continents started interacting politically, some five hundred years ago, Eurasia has been the center of world power.... It is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America.... How America 'manages' Eurasia is critical. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75 per cent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for about three-fourths of the world's known energy resources.

Afghanistan is the gateway to Central Asia, which is the pivot point of Eurasia.  Al-Qaeda are a useful causus belli, who were being kept in a box for a rainy day.

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2010, 05:23:04 pm »
Seven years and $90 billion and as soon as we leave, Al Queda will be free to set up shop again...

 :lulz:

Maybe this was just to break up the monotony.

Silly squirrel, the war isn't about Al-Qaeda.

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Ever since the continents started interacting politically, some five hundred years ago, Eurasia has been the center of world power.... It is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America.... How America 'manages' Eurasia is critical. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75 per cent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for about three-fourths of the world's known energy resources.

Afghanistan is the gateway to Central Asia, which is the pivot point of Eurasia.  Al-Qaeda are a useful causus belli, who were being kept in a box for a rainy day.

Where is that quote from Cain?

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2010, 05:23:20 pm »
The House's vote yesterday on emergency funding for the Afghanistan war shows a significant eroding of support for President Obama's war policy -- from members of his own Democratic Party.

Poor LBJ Obama.   :sad:

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2010, 05:23:52 pm »
Cain:  get this--I'm at an Afghan wedding in Los Angeles earlier this month (on July 4th, of all strange dates to be at an Afghan wedding, but I digress).  This woman sitting near me, a total vacuous cow, but she says,

"Did you hear, Jennifer, how Afghanistan is now a rich country?"

I said, "No, do tell."

She replies, "Yes, did you hear how they found all these mining things, these precious minerals, in the hills and mountains there?  Oh yes, they are going to be rich over there now."

Oh lordy.  I managed to somehow NOT break it to her that this just means Afghanistan will become another 3rd world country (a la African nations that seek to mine themselves into oblivion and end up further impoverished and in civil war) that will suffer at the hands of Big Bidness, and that China has already moved in to take over those particular "delights" of her homeland http://www.slate.com/id/2257716.

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2010, 05:29:03 pm »
Where is that quote from Cain?

Zbigniew Brzezinksi's The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy And It's Geostrategic Imperatives.  Brzezinksi was a national security advisor to Carter and remains influential in American foreign policy thinking.

Cain:  get this--I'm at an Afghan wedding in Los Angeles earlier this month (on July 4th, of all strange dates to be at an Afghan wedding, but I digress).  This woman sitting near me, a total vacuous cow, but she says,

"Did you hear, Jennifer, how Afghanistan is now a rich country?"

I said, "No, do tell."

She replies, "Yes, did you hear how they found all these mining things, these precious minerals, in the hills and mountains there?  Oh yes, they are going to be rich over there now."

Lail.  I'm sure there were Russians saying the exact same thing in the 1980s, since it was Soviet-era surveys we used to discover this.

GOOD THING AFGHANISTAN HAS ALL THAT WEALTH, OR IT MIGHT BE A REAL SHITHOLE BY NOW  :lulz:

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Re: Democrats abandon Obama on Afghan war
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2010, 05:29:18 pm »
The House's vote yesterday on emergency funding for the Afghanistan war shows a significant eroding of support for President Obama's war policy -- from members of his own Democratic Party.

Poor LBJ Obama.   :sad:

I sense you are lacking sincerity.  :D