ATTN This thread is about cartoons and IGNORING Ruby.

[Ruby]

You know this whole sexual debate can be solved by one statement.

Let those who aren't harming anyone live their lives the way see they fit and stop trying to define for them what is "normal", especially if it's an activity that fulfills a need for happiness and has NO baring on your life what so ever. THE END

I have already said that, many times over. Apparently, I'm not the one loving the smell of stirred shit.

Cut and paste, a little, but a better choice of article, surely!

[Doktor Howl]

You know this whole sexual debate can be solved by one statement.

Let those who aren't harming anyone live their lives the way see they fit and stop trying to define for them what is "normal", especially if it's an activity that fulfills a need for happiness and has NO baring on your life what so ever. THE END

I have already said that, many times over. Apparently, I'm not the one loving the smell of stirred shit.

Cut and paste, a little, but a better choice of article, surely!

Actually, you spend a dozen pages or so trying to justify apologism.  So quit your lying.

[El Twid]

You know this whole sexual debate can be solved by one statement.

Let those who aren't harming anyone live their lives the way see they fit and stop trying to define for them what is "normal", especially if it's an activity that fulfills a need for happiness and has NO baring on your life what so ever. THE END

But, they're choosing a lifestyle that has potentially dire psychological issues!
Choosing a lifestyle!!!
 

[Cramulus]

traditional values



/ruby

[ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S.]

When a person uses "lifestyle choices" in response to LGBT issues, I assume "homophobic, transphobic, repressed homosexual".

So, Ruby, why don't you tell us about your secret thoughts you don't tell anyone, you know, the ones about how you just HAVE to touch those breasts, stroke that female ass, kiss those lips, the one that keeps you up at night fingering yourself, thinking of a woman with an 8-inch strapon, dreaming of sucking on those other lips (you know the ones I mean)...

[Phox]

1. Why are you here, honestly? Simple enough. Because I wanted to find out more about Discordians without asking a bunch of questions. It isn't to cause issues nor to be a troll. I already understand that much of Discordian beliefs are founded with our lives, but there's a philosophy that I am more interested in than controversial acceptance of my character.

Asking questions is the best way to learn. You lost me after that.

2. What are your opinions on the following: (a) homosexuality, (b) transgenderism, (c) how pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, and any other sexual depravity you can think of relate to (a) and (b)? I have lived alot of years staying away from opinionated views of individual lifestyle choices. I would love one of my own regardless of whatever 'way' they either choose or found themselves in. However, to be pressed to develop an opinion, I started reading more into the psychology of said topics. What I have thus far found is disturbing, not because I hate, but perhaps because I have not yet read anything refuting the negative psychological effects some lifestyles have. That being said, not every individual within said lifestyles suffer negative psychological issues. I understand this. I am very optimistic because of this, as well. I may enrage the board even further to say that, haha, in my opinion, to develop a direct opinion about said lifestyles would be completely premature, based off of traditional values, and not in anyone's best interest. I am more concerned about the research of said lifestyles and, perhaps in time, the rebuttal and positive change in the psychology of it all. Do I prematurely think (a & b) are psychologically related? No, not on every level, however, the potential is there. (c) As for 'sexual depravity', that is a lot more deep-seeded and though many, okay, a lot of 'people', in general, would directly link pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, and such to said (a & b) I would not. There are too many differences, too many levels, and too many 'other things' that define those things to be separate from said (a & b).

At the word lifestyle choice, I take offense. This is not something we choose. Psychological articles are going to give you a negative view of something if you view it as a lifestyle choice, since most psychological articles focus on the negative psychological effects of a given subject.

3. Can you tell if I'm being serious or not? Whether you are serious or not is of little consequence if you ask a question that carries such weight, or so I've come to know.

You've come to know wrong.

4. Does it matter? [See above./b]

See above.

5. What is this discussion really all about?Most probably something I have yet to clue into.

That's not a real answer.

6. Do I have a point? Yeppers, I'm funniest, I suppose, than most because I am so serious by nature.

Wrong, guess again.

8. Why did I leave out number 7, aside from for comic effect? Because you aren't after perfection, seven being God's supposed symbol for perfection, I suppose you are only after excellency.

Definitely wrong.  

9 1/2. Why is thi

10. Ten is not really a question, just making the list conform with the law of fives. Or is it? No, it does not, unless of course you are able to find a loophole of sorts.

Actually, thanks to you, it does. Get back to me if you can figure out how.

Perhaps if I was told I would then know what everyone seems to think I should already know.

Hi Ruby. I don't know who you are, or why you are here, since I'm new myself. I don't know what TCC is, but I have a few questions for you. These are direct questions, so direct answers only, please. No links, no copy-and-paste articles, no calculus or physics.

http://helpingpsychology.com/gender-identity-disorder-diagnosis-of-the-week

Gender Identity Disorder: Diagnosis of the Week
By Brittany • Feb 8th, 2010 • Category: Psychology Diagnosis of the Week

Gender Symbols

In this technological age it is medically viable, though potentially dangerous, to change one’s own sex from that of male to female or vice versa. The physical and mental implications of such a drastic metamorphosis relate to the fact that it is considered taboo among many societies worldwide. It is not merely the surgical procedure that is so inconceivable; it is the desire itself that carries such a stigma. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, feelings and actions relating to gender dysphoria fall under the category of Gender Identity Disorder.

Symptoms of Gender Identity Disorder typically manifest in childhood or adolescence and can include cross-dressing; preferring to play with friends of the opposite sex; pretending to be the other sex; repeatedly stating a desire to have been born the opposite sex; and inclinations towards cross-sex roles. It is difficult to define symptoms because not all children who dress in gender inappropriate clothing or are considered a tom boy will undergo a sex change upon reaching adulthood.

Gender roles are so defined in societies that people who stray from the norms are often labeled as outcasts and are treated accordingly. But people suffering from this disorder see their plight as something entirely different. It is not just a mere desire to dress eccentrically, but a deep-seeded knowledge of being born the wrong sex. Most sufferers feel that they are simply in the wrong body; that they are hard-wired as that of the opposite sex.

Gender Dysphoria being classified as a mental condition has stirred up controversy among sufferers and researchers alike, as many do not view it as a disorder, but rather a preference. Transsexual people in certain studies have shown normal gender identities during a brain scan. But both the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders and the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems classify this behavior as a mental disorder, even among a plethora of petitions.

Even though biological and psychological factors have been suggested as a cause of transsexualism, no definite consensus has been met as to why patients struggle with these feelings. Diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder is made by psychologists and other mental health professionals after evaluating a patient who is currently living as the opposite sex or one that has undergone hormone replacement therapy during the initial transition process. As this disorder may cause the sufferer significant distress in work, home or social situations, therapists strive to assist patients in feeling comfortable with their decisions.

Treatment is not traditional as the disorder is not a malfunction in the brain to be corrected, but rather a trait or characteristic of an individual. Psychotherapists generally indulge patients who ask for assistance through counseling and other talk therapy. Sometimes therapists even assist patients in the sexual reassignment process by acting as advisors.

From what 'little' I have come to better understand, this is a better article that is far more plausible, and most probably more acceptable by the mainstream. I especially like the last paragraph.

And, I did actually mean deep-seeded, as I am obviously not a professional psychologist and my writings are going to reflect such. If that be the wrong term for it, then it be wrong, but it is what I meant. I looked it up, and initially articles used both almost interchangeably, but obviously it is deep-seated.

 

tl;dr

[Cainad]

oh wow I feel dumb for missing that one

on top of whatever bullshit opinions she has totally doesn't have because she doesn't judge stuff, guys, and for her to form any kind of opinion would be premature, she thinks homosexuality is a choice.




Also, Kai:  

[El Twid]

When a person uses "lifestyle choices" in response to LGBT issues, I assume "homophobic, transphobic, repressed homosexual".

So, Ruby, why don't you tell us about your secret thoughts you don't tell anyone, you know, the ones about how you just HAVE to touch those breasts, stroke that female ass, kiss those lips, the one that keeps you up at night fingering yourself, thinking of a woman with an 8-inch strapon, dreaming of sucking on those other lips (you know the ones I mean)...

Stop that Kai, she's not the only one who's going to have to fap with those sorts of descriptions 

[Alty]

Besides, it's not very nice at all.
Just imagine the strength and willpower it takes for ruby to make that choice every single day. Alienating people she feels urges to draw close to, never feeling quite whole. It's downright sad.

Good on you, Ruby, for making the choice that countless repressed assholes throughout history have made.

[NotPublished]

lmfaoo how can she not be trolling? I don't even understand what she's getting at; so she's a homosexual denying her own sexuality, she decides to take it out on the other homos and the homophone is feeling left out after a tealeaf reading gone wrong, and now as a result anything homo is at risk of dead, then theres some shit of trying to 'understand the discos'... all I read is ImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservativeImmaconservative

did I get the tl;dr; right?

I think Ruby needs to be sent to the Mines... Or atleast put on a plank of wood and set adrift

[Ruby]

Seriously? Everything that I wrote after the first sentence was dismissed because I didn't edit out the word 'choice'? So, am I to be the idiot and genuinely believe that there is not one individual that purposefully makes a choice to experiment sexually with the same sex? It may not be the average logic in better understanding the alternative lifestyles, but it is not completely dismissive, either.

And, regarding the perverseness of 'my' nature, haha, no, the thought of women doesn't get me wet, yet I'm notta prude.  It is more and more interesting the further I get away from this particular thread.

I suggest it be closed up and we move on. The entertainment factor is waning.

[Balls Wellington]

Not for us.

[NotPublished]

So, am I to be the idiot and genuinely believe that there is not one individual that purposefully makes a choice to experiment sexually with the same sex?

yeah people make the choice.. of course? How else does it start? And what does it have to do with increased suicide rates though? Evidence suggests most evidence sucks.

The increased suicide rate comes based on acceptance from among peers, and the persons own strength and preserverance - not just because they are homo. Experimenting is apart of the whole fun!


edit: btw I haven't read any posts by Ruby (only the one above), I only read what everyone else wrote

[Phox]

Seriously? Everything that I wrote after the first sentence was dismissed because I didn't edit out the word 'choice'? So, am I to be the idiot and genuinely believe that there is not one individual that purposefully makes a choice to experiment sexually with the same sex? It may not be the average logic in better understanding the alternative lifestyles, but it is not completely dismissive, either.

Everything else you wrote after the first sentence is irrelevant if you think that gays and lesbians choose to be the way they are. Sure, some people do choose to sexually experiment, but that's not the issue we're talking about. If they like their homosexual experience and continue down that road, odds are they were homosexual to begin with and didn't realize it, so they weren't choose anything other than to actually act upon natural urges. If they don't, then they aren't going to ascribe to the "gay lifestyle". That's not how it works.

I'm trying to take this discussion as seriously as any other, but you make it hard to do so. If you are merely trying to waste my time, joke's on you, since I have nothing better to do with it until classes resume next week. If you seriously are trying to learn about... anything, then engage in an intellectual debate. Honestly, it could go either way at this point.

[Adios]

Dear Ruby,

Just as an experiment mind you, try to, for once, openly state your position without trying to hide behind meaningless babble. Avoid copy/pasta and try to speak for yourself. We all know you have been avoiding a direct answer, we are not the same as the (potential) dumbshits you have hortnswaglled previously.

Speak plainly or forever be labeled possibly the worst troll we have ever had, in a long list of trolls, on PD.