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The Pledge of Allegiance
« on: September 10, 2010, 04:17:47 pm »
Once in a youth forgotten I felt this way.

Long ago.

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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2010, 05:06:50 pm »
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There was an old "Porky Pig" cartoon about that pledge once.  Abe Lincoln ushered him through an idealized, highly polished version of USA history, and excited him to stand straight up and stammered it out with great sincerity.  Years and more cynicism past this, I'm likely comment on how the only good reason they could present was glossed over propaganda about what we, as a country HAD done, not what we WERE doing or WOULD do.  It was penned, I assume, before the space program, or Vietnam.  Back when I saw it, it was just a question of "Ok, what have we done lately?"

Younger me also wondered why the constant re-swearing of allegienace was necessary.  What did it accomplish, re - hoisting our cooperation and fealty every morning as school children?  What did it gain me, in that public school, other than lessons in a classroom crammed beyond capacity until a bell sent us out for recess on a bare asphalt slab, or a fetid "hot" lunch in a cafeteria that always reaked of bleach and vomit?  Why were we pledging allegiance to a FLAG anyways.  (Idolatry?)  The republic for which it stood took sloppy seconds.  I should have been more in tune about what this said about priorities.

Gradually, as we aged, we mumbled through less and less of it, hand less over hearts, until we would just stand there, staring, as a voice piped up from the main office on tinny speakers (same vintage as ol' Porky), grated out the same words.  In high school, one well eaning english teacher, decided he'd pledge for ALL of us one morning, and in addition to right hand over the heart, extended his left arm straight out.  Seig - whatnow?

It's easy to be a cynical consumer of government from the inside.  I pay the taxes, a more functional demonstration of my cooperation in the overgrown, overcomplicated group survival scheme than kissing their fucking flag.  I have no illusion I'm getting a perfect product for it.  I'd like to see it do better, or re-sort into better.  It will only help me out, and make life smoother for the people I like.  Then we can go on find some problem more miniscule to complain over than a few thousand porkbarrel assholes.   
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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2010, 05:15:48 pm »
Too bad you can't see it. It is Red Skelton breaking it down word by word.

I think the daily recital was conditioning. Plain and simple.

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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2010, 05:41:58 pm »
It's sad.  You know, I'd LIKE a country I could beleive in.   A pledge expecting to condition in allegiance is a waste though.  A halfhearted, tossed out attempt certain to build resentment in anyone who can see around it, and have an insufficient success ratio on those who buy into it. 
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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2010, 05:56:52 pm »
I would love to be proud of my country too. But I can't.

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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 07:10:42 pm »
I would love to be proud of my country too.
Why? It's so arbitraty. It's not like you chose to be born there.

So far you've all you've chosen is not to emigrate, so I guess you could feel proud about that.

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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2010, 07:36:58 pm »
Humans are silly. We like to think where we live is the most awesome of awesomest places.

I quit saying it in high school because it's a loyalty oath repeated by children who have no idea what they're swearing about or to. And I objected to that.
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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 08:38:40 pm »
Nationalism is silly too.  It's sometimes fun to buy into, especially with sporting events, but it certainly shouldn't be taken too seriously.

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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 09:37:35 pm »
You know, I'd LIKE a CITY STATE I could beleive in.   
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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 11:13:06 pm »
I like the form Scottish nationalism takes. It's basically the same as general Scottishness - stupidity, drunkenness, spatulas, irn bru, "Mel Gibson impersonating a Scotsman" Impersonators and Brawling. Not to mention punching Fictionpuss in the face.

It's hilarious when people take it seriously.

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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2010, 12:04:01 am »
It's sad.  You know, I'd LIKE a country I could beleive in.   A pledge expecting to condition in allegiance is a waste though.  A halfhearted, tossed out attempt certain to build resentment in anyone who can see around it, and have an insufficient success ratio on those who buy into it. 

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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2010, 10:19:32 pm »
I would love to be proud of my country too. But I can't.

The land itself is astonishingly beautiful.

Of course, most places are.
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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2010, 11:05:05 pm »
A country should be assigned to children randomingly at birth. Throughout life that child should be forced to be totally nationalistic to that assigned country, despite the fact it is not his/her own.
Sure it doesn't make any sense, but it would make the World Cup a hell of a lot more interesting.
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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2010, 11:25:29 pm »
A country should be assigned to children randomingly at birth. Throughout life that child should be forced to be totally nationalistic to that assigned country, despite the fact it is not his/her own.
Sure it doesn't make any sense, but it would make the World Cup a hell of a lot more interesting.

Isn't that what happens?
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Re: The Pledge of Allegiance
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2010, 05:06:13 am »
for the non-Americans here, are any of you proud of your home nation?
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