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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2010, 01:36:23 pm »
Oh dear. You called me p.o.d., now I can't just walk away.  :p

The issue arises when you say things like "realistically" and "realm of possibility", because for me, those words are simply that. I only made the concessions I did before because there was nothing else to say, and it was time for the conversation to end. But for me, my mindlessly spouted hippie ideal is just as possible as any other solution. Likely? No. But if we stuck with likelihoods, we wouldn't have anything to discuss either way. This all results from my personal philosophy, which will become apparent in time.

It will also become apparent that I have some sort of weird idealism bipolar disorder, so if I'm (seriously) arguing idealistically one day,  and I'm going the complete opposite route the next, well, that's normal for me.

So what you're saying is that I should just ignore you, even when you aren't spagging up perfectly fine threads - because you're likely to just turn around and argue something totally retarded for the hell of it the next day?

Works for me.

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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2010, 01:42:02 pm »
So what you're saying is that I should just ignore you, even when you aren't spagging up perfectly fine threads - because you're likely to just turn around and argue something totally retarded for the hell of it the next day?

Works for me.

Sure, whatever floats your boat.  :D

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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2010, 03:21:03 pm »
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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2010, 03:24:46 pm »
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I am feverishly working on the rails to get this back on track.

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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2010, 04:11:57 pm »
What kind of things would show that there IS something wrong?
If someone does the “Fine, you’re right, I’m clearly a terrible person, I’m Satan, I’m the worst person alive, I should just die” thing in response to criticism of their harmful behavior, they are trying to manipulate people and flip the situation around so that they look like a victim.

As a neuroscientist I have to disagree with the perception that anyone is doing mathematical modeling of cognitive intelligence, yet; intelligence as an economist defines it, yes, but economists are worlds away from actual cognition.


Although it is outside the purview of this organization to offer personal advice, we can say -- without assuming any liability -- that previous experience indicates (and recent market studies corroborate) that given the present condition of the marketplace, continuing with your present course of action is likely to result in substantial in

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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2010, 04:29:32 pm »
What kind of things would show that there IS something wrong?

Human involvement.

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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2010, 05:30:06 pm »
But for me, my mindlessly spouted hippie ideal is just as possible as any other solution.

But for the real world, your mindlessly spouted hippie ideal is an utter impossibility, as long as humans are hard-wired with primate brains. Better to focus on ideas/solutions that can be implemented to improve the lot of humanity in spite of itself than to waste time with things that will never actually work, ever.

And for future reference, when discussing the statistical likelihood of a specific idea or course of action ever coming to pass, saying something like "but for me, blah blah blah" is akin to saying "but for me, 2+2 really does equal 5." It shows a lack of meta-thinking on your part, because if you bothered to think about what you think and WHY you think it, you'd realize that your thought on the subject at hand are being filtered through an unrealistic idea of the world and that you should possibly make some adjustments in order to more closely align your filtered worldview with reality.
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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2010, 05:32:17 pm »
also...

Sorry Dok. I know this probably feels like a threadjack but in my mind it speaks to the issues that you are describing ITT when even the potentially superior mutants here fall victim to the sort of thinking which is responsible for the problems you've been detailing in this series.
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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2010, 05:43:10 pm »
also...

Sorry Dok. I know this probably feels like a threadjack but in my mind it speaks to the issues that you are describing ITT when even the potentially superior mutants here fall victim to the sort of thinking which is responsible for the problems you've been detailing in this series.

No problem.  I, too, am annoyed by people who take "should be" as "the way the universe works".

Gonna do something with this.

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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2010, 10:08:30 pm »
If you accept the Machiavellian Intelligence Hypothesis, it's probably better to let humanity fight it out amongst itself for a while longer.  Basically, human intelligence is a by-product of an arms race between primates as to how best manipulate and gain control over each other.  Ramp that process up tenfold (or more) and you're more likely to get humans intelligent enough to solve the problems we've caused.  One way or another.

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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2010, 12:19:33 am »
@ECH: You are right and wrong. Hopefully, you will see why I say that soon.

Sorry for all the threadjacking, Dok, I just tend to respond to all comments directed at me, because I am more reactive than I ought to be. I'll shut up now, though.


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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2010, 12:55:30 am »
@ECH: You are right and wrong. Hopefully, you will see why I say that soon.



actually, no. Without anything to back that assertion up, it sounds pretty meaningless and ignorable.
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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #72 on: September 21, 2010, 01:04:22 am »
@ECH: You are right and wrong. Hopefully, you will see why I say that soon.

Sorry for all the threadjacking, Dok, I just tend to respond to all comments directed at me, because I am more reactive than I ought to be. I'll shut up now, though.



Doesn't matter.  Horrorology was a mistake in the first place.

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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #73 on: September 21, 2010, 02:44:05 am »
@ECH: You are right and wrong. Hopefully, you will see why I say that soon.

Sorry for all the threadjacking, Dok, I just tend to respond to all comments directed at me, because I am more reactive than I ought to be. I'll shut up now, though.



Doesn't matter.  Horrorology was a mistake in the first place.
:( I disagree. I've very much enjoyed what's been posted here, even if I don't often reply.
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Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2010, 02:45:04 am »
@ECH: You are right and wrong. Hopefully, you will see why I say that soon.

Sorry for all the threadjacking, Dok, I just tend to respond to all comments directed at me, because I am more reactive than I ought to be. I'll shut up now, though.



Doesn't matter.  Horrorology was a mistake in the first place.
:( I disagree. I've very much enjoyed what's been posted here, even if I don't often reply.

Meh.  I have failed to convey anything that I've tried to get across.  It's just another excuse for mental fappery.