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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2010, 09:16:28 pm »
I fully intend to vote for Romney in the republican primary. And not as a joke.

Feel free to pile on now.

I don't like that fucker.  seems slimy to me.

also, there's that whole would probably green light going to war with Iran thing.

nevermind the part about being a member of a far right religious group cult.

wont catch me voting for him.
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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2010, 09:20:37 pm »
Out of the Republican front runners, Romney is actually probably among the less insane*.  He's just cynical and successful enough that he might not give a fuck about listening to the religious right beyond throwing them a bone or two near election time, and using all the right words to get their Godfrenzy on.  He's still a crazy fuck by any reasonable standard, but, uh, this is Sparta politics, standards, reasonable or otherwise, do not apply.

*Compared with Palin, Newt Gingrinch, Jindal and HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! that is.

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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2010, 09:47:49 pm »
Out of the Republican front runners, Romney is actually probably among the less insane*.  He's just cynical and successful enough that he might not give a fuck about listening to the religious right beyond throwing them a bone or two near election time, and using all the right words to get their Godfrenzy on.  He's still a crazy fuck by any reasonable standard, but, uh, this is Sparta politics, standards, reasonable or otherwise, do not apply.

*Compared with Palin, Newt Gingrinch, Jindal and HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! that is.

I see what you mean but damn, they're ALL fucking WarTards and would probably surround themselves with fucking Keynesians.

The only one who would provide me with laughs is Palin but I'd never forgive myself.



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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2010, 09:53:45 pm »
Out of the Republican front runners, Romney is actually probably among the less insane*.  He's just cynical and successful enough that he might not give a fuck about listening to the religious right beyond throwing them a bone or two near election time, and using all the right words to get their Godfrenzy on.  He's still a crazy fuck by any reasonable standard, but, uh, this is Sparta politics, standards, reasonable or otherwise, do not apply.

*Compared with Palin, Newt Gingrinch, Jindal and HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! that is.

I see what you mean but damn, they're ALL fucking WarTards and would probably surround themselves with fucking Keynesians.

The only one who would provide me with laughs is Palin but I'd never forgive myself.


Keynesians? Isn't that what our current Stimulus policy is based on... ie the one that the GOP says its against?
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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2010, 09:58:18 pm »
Out of the Republican front runners, Romney is actually probably among the less insane*.  He's just cynical and successful enough that he might not give a fuck about listening to the religious right beyond throwing them a bone or two near election time, and using all the right words to get their Godfrenzy on.  He's still a crazy fuck by any reasonable standard, but, uh, this is Sparta politics, standards, reasonable or otherwise, do not apply.

*Compared with Palin, Newt Gingrinch, Jindal and HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! that is.

I see what you mean but damn, they're ALL fucking WarTards and would probably surround themselves with fucking Keynesians.

The only one who would provide me with laughs is Palin but I'd never forgive myself.


Keynesians? Isn't that what our current Stimulus policy is based on... ie the one that the GOP says its against?

It's an election year.  I believe the rule is play to your base.

I don't believe for a second they'd be saying they were against it if it wouldn't mean paying for in at the polls.

the other answer is yes, Keynes advocated deficit and government spending in recessions.

no evidence this is working at all, but lots of evidence it's being abused.
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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2010, 10:55:51 pm »
I fully intend to vote for Romney in the republican primary. And not as a joke.

Feel free to pile on now.

He strikes me as the least bad option personally.
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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2010, 01:06:36 am »
Out of the Republican front runners, Romney is actually probably among the less insane*.  He's just cynical and successful enough that he might not give a fuck about listening to the religious right beyond throwing them a bone or two near election time, and using all the right words to get their Godfrenzy on.  He's still a crazy fuck by any reasonable standard, but, uh, this is Sparta politics, standards, reasonable or otherwise, do not apply.

*Compared with Palin, Newt Gingrinch, Jindal and HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! that is.

I see what you mean but damn, they're ALL fucking WarTards and would probably surround themselves with fucking Keynesians.

The only one who would provide me with laughs is Palin but I'd never forgive myself.


Keynesians? Isn't that what our current Stimulus policy is based on... ie the one that the GOP says its against?

It's an election year.  I believe the rule is play to your base.

I don't believe for a second they'd be saying they were against it if it wouldn't mean paying for in at the polls.

the other answer is yes, Keynes advocated deficit and government spending in recessions.

no evidence this is working at all, but lots of evidence it's being abused.

Keynes also said that during times of growth, taxes should be raised and spending cut, which is how you pay for deficit spending during the recession (and limit the recessions in the first place.)  But nobody ever wants to raise taxes and cut spending during boom years, so Keynes is only ever popular during recessions.

The current economic model favored by conservative partisans is "supply-side economics," which as far as I can tell amounts to "if the suppliers (i.e., industry, big business, etc) have enough money and de-regulation, good things will trickle down the the consumers."  IIRC this is what most of the Bush tax cuts / early stimulus was based on.  I could be wrong, though.
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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2010, 02:52:42 am »
Out of the Republican front runners, Romney is actually probably among the less insane*.  He's just cynical and successful enough that he might not give a fuck about listening to the religious right beyond throwing them a bone or two near election time, and using all the right words to get their Godfrenzy on.  He's still a crazy fuck by any reasonable standard, but, uh, this is Sparta politics, standards, reasonable or otherwise, do not apply.

*Compared with Palin, Newt Gingrinch, Jindal and HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! that is.

I see what you mean but damn, they're ALL fucking WarTards and would probably surround themselves with fucking Keynesian's.

The only one who would provide me with laughs is Palin but I'd never forgive myself.


Keynesian's? Isn't that what our current Stimulus policy is based on... ie the one that the GOP says its against?

It's an election year.  I believe the rule is play to your base.

I don't believe for a second they'd be saying they were against it if it wouldn't mean paying for in at the polls.

the other answer is yes, Keynes advocated deficit and government spending in recessions.

no evidence this is working at all, but lots of evidence it's being abused.

Keynes also said that during times of growth, taxes should be raised and spending cut, which is how you pay for deficit spending during the recession (and limit the recessions in the first place.)  But nobody ever wants to raise taxes and cut spending during boom years, so Keynes is only ever popular during recessions.

The current economic model favored by conservative partisans is "supply-side economics," which as far as I can tell amounts to "if the suppliers (i.e., industry, big business, etc) have enough money and deregulation, good things will trickle down the the consumers."  IIRC this is what most of the Bush tax cuts / early stimulus was based on.  I could be wrong, though.

I believe the good things are supposed to trickle down to the workers.  we're all consumers.

people with more money will (hopefully) save some, and invest the rest in companies with growth potential.  Some will win, some will loose, but the idea is to keep ideas flowing and innovation fresh in order to compete with other companies. (this is simplified I know)

Keynes ideas were never meant to be combined with use of liquidity by early beneficiaries of a loose monetary policy. 

Things have been on a downward spiral ever since Bretton Woods fell apart.

Keynes probably didn't anticipate this level of debt, either:



look for the US credit rating to possibly be downgraded shortly.
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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2010, 02:55:02 am »
I fully intend to vote for Romney in the republican primary. And not as a joke.

Feel free to pile on now.

Why?

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« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2010, 02:56:04 am »


I believe the good things are supposed to trickle down to the workers.  we're all consumers.


AND HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT FOR YOU, MR LAFFER?

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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2010, 03:00:25 am »


I believe the good things are supposed to trickle down to the workers.  we're all consumers.


AND HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT FOR YOU, MR LAFFER?

i dont know this "laffer" of who you speak
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« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2010, 03:02:22 am »


I believe the good things are supposed to trickle down to the workers.  we're all consumers.


AND HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT FOR YOU, MR LAFFER?

i dont know this "laffer" of who you speak


Supply side snake oil salesman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

Proponent of the idea that if you tax less, you get more revenue, and that we should all be satisfied with the leavings of the ultra-rich, like sparrows picking undigested oats out of horse turds.

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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2010, 03:04:27 am »


I believe the good things are supposed to trickle down to the workers.  we're all consumers.


AND HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT FOR YOU, MR LAFFER?

oh, THAT laffer.  I dont agree with that assesment.  there a quite a bit of literature that helps disprove that curve.

didn't say I was a proponent, was just clarifying BTW
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Re: #'s on the Teaparty
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2010, 03:11:20 am »


I believe the good things are supposed to trickle down to the workers.  we're all consumers.


AND HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT FOR YOU, MR LAFFER?

i dont know this "laffer" of who you speak


Supply side snake oil salesman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

Proponent of the idea that if you tax less, you get more revenue, and that we should all be satisfied with the leavings of the ultra-rich, like sparrows picking undigested oats out of horse turds.

while the ultra rich do tend to own large shares of mega corps or out right own them, they're still looking for profits for their share holders.

that means keeping a company lean, which any company has to do to turn profit and survive, and employ more people.

what are we discussing here?  tax breaks?  it's perfectly realistic for a small business owner that employs less that 50 people to have collect a personal income of more than 250,000/yr if he's also a smart investor, or employs one to invest his money.

I'm not getting his "leavings"

I'm gainfully employed by one and well taken care of for the work I do.

So we should punish everyone in that tax bracket for the sins of a few?
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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2010, 03:13:24 am »
No, they are there to make more profit than the year before for the shareholders.  If you make a billions dollars, every year without fail, the stock will never go up.  You have to actually increase the profits.
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