Author Topic: Malaysian Airlines plane shot down over Ukraine  (Read 545 times)

Regret

  • 'Miserable Atrocianthrope'
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 31218
  • Interweb Gloryhole QC Inspector #23
    • View Profile
Re: Malaysian Airlines plane shot down over Ukraine
« Reply #45 on: Today at 04:38:20 am »
The problem is the narrative has been this for a long time before now, and I don't see this changing that in any way at all.  Ever since before the fall of Slaviansk, Russian nationalists have been bitching that Putin isn't doing enough, isn't supporting the rebels enough, isn't putting the full pressure of the Russian state on the Ukrainians.  Downing a plane wouldn't really change that narrative, at this stage it's too firmly entrenched.  I've gotten the strong impression from Russian nationalist circles I keep an eye on that nothing Putin does, short of dunking Obama's head down a toilet at the next international conference, is ever good enough for them.
Is anyone else slightly amused that this sounds like exactly what Obama is going though with the Tea Party, just in a different hemishere? :lulz:
Not me.

I'm just depressed at the rise in nationalism and its sidekick: bigotry.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

Junkenstein

  • Technically-Oriented & Horribly Mobile Crecy of Crab Lice.
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 70855
    • View Profile
Re: Malaysian Airlines plane shot down over Ukraine
« Reply #46 on: Today at 10:26:16 am »
Hmm:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28416973

Quote
Late on Monday the rebels, including Alexander Borodai, self-styled Prime Minister of the Donetsk People's Republic, handed over the "black box" flight recorders to Malaysian officials at a ceremony in Donetsk.

Quote
Investigators hope the devices, described as being in good condition, will provide vital clues about what happened to the plane.

The handover of the "black boxes" and the transfer of remains followed talks between Mr Borodai and the Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28416973

Seems like an odd move to make if you were apparently responsible. So the inital guesses would be that the data to potentially be revealed will place the blame on Ukraine forces or it's had a big magnet near it and won't reveal a damn thing, which is equally telling I suppose.

Quote
Meanwhile international monitors say parts of the wreckage have been changed since they first saw it.

Fuckery abounds. Finger pointing to follow.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Cain

  • Chekha
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 97247
    • View Profile
Re: Malaysian Airlines plane shot down over Ukraine
« Reply #47 on: Today at 10:31:38 am »
It's worth noting that the Donetsk People's Republic is strongly influenced by Moscow.  "Strelkov", the leader of the militia, is FSB (current/former up for debate).  Russia doesn't want an incident with America over this.  How many arms did Russia twist or break?  Probably a few, but it's what they're good at.  Maybe Borodai will get asylum once Kyiv crushes the insurgency, in return for his compliance.

It is also possible that Ukraine did down the plane.  I mean, Ukraine lied about having its own anti-aircraft weapons in the area after that, despite the strong evidence of them in Slaviyansk (presumably to deter a Russian air force attack in aid of the rebels).
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before