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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2011, 07:44:58 pm »
I love it that Thornley probably would hate the bunch of us .. that chair-fucker.
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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2011, 07:50:35 pm »
Here's an actual Greg Hill post



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Just when you think you've seen it all, there pops up another one.  It is
 not as if you have to read every article in alt.discordia to start to get
 an inkling of what is really going on here, or there; it is more like
 what you do not read could be what you miss.  What good does it do when
 there is just another yellow tidbit to tide you over until the next
 green, or salmon, one comes along?  Look, what we are all trying to say
 is simply what cannot be put into words, right?  But it is really just
 fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord.  You do not have to prove your divinity to
 anyone.  You do not have to prove anything to anyone.  Fact is, you
 cannot prove anything to anyone with a mind skeptical enough to filter
 through all of this garbage and maintain some semblance of sanity.  Of
 course, a semblance of sanity is not necessarily what we are really
 looking for, though, is it?  At least not most of the time.  What is most
 often desired in this apparent material world is more akin to something
 wild and crazy.  Off-the-wall, whacko, out of the ordinary, curiosly odd,
 fnord, interestingly different.  What seems the same too often simply is.
  Perhaps this story can spark a thought:  Two young men are walking down
 a country road.  The first says to the second, what a beautiful day.  I
 think it is getting cool, says the first.  Let's climb this skyscraper,
 suggests the third.  No way, says the first, pointing at the second,
 she's afraid of heights.  I still think it is rather cool, says the
 second.  Then the lonely man falls into a really big pothole in the
 highway and breaks his arm.
 Get it?  For those who need more, here is an obvious hint: her broken
 nose does not bleed.
 Ok, good.  Surily we can agree at least with this one clear point.

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looking for more traces of the elusive Greg Hill...

This may be a red herring, but I see an account named Ronald Anderson with a sig saying he's Greg Hill, and he lists [what I think is] Greg's e-mail address. Another post from Ronald Anderson says "I'm not really Ronald Anderson". He also calls himself "Pope Gregor the XXIII, Jr"... are we pointing in the right direction? Only more research will tell.

Elsewhere, somebody links to Greg's website and calls it "Hypocrites Anonymous"... but that might have been Greg Himself calling it that

I get the sense that Greg did not get along well with this group. Still trying to figure out precisely why.

In this thread, "The Search for Malaclypse", a few people speculate about how to get in contact with Greg. Robert Anderson (greg?) posts:

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>It's my
>belief that Mal-2 was just living in Hill's brain for a time but that
 >he/she/it has now moved on. Was I mistaken?

More than you think, less than you know...
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Did you know Robert Anton Wilson was a guest on an episode of Politically Incorrect? apparently he and Bill Murray reminisced about 60s drug culture.


Pretty good Discordian newsletter here:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.bizarre/browse_thread/thread/73a1ba4fbd8c1484/b89d78f86329cc87?lnk=gst&q=Ronald+Anderson#b89d78f86329cc87

it contains a memo about Jake Day:

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SPAM JAKE DAY -- A Summary
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        By Reverend Brother Lee Harvey Oswald Smith, KSC WMD SPAM
         Episkopos, John Friedrich Cabal, Discordian Society

1) WHAT IS A JAKE? (AND WHERE CAN I GET SOME?)
 ----------------------------------------------

A Jake is defined as part of Operation Mindfuck. Basically, it involves
 a lot of people collaborating to send a lot of weird stuff to some
 bureaucrat/official/someone somewhere, asking for some information/help/
 whatever, preferably in an obscure or unusual way. The letters are timed to
 arrive on the same day, and to make the bureaucrat/official/etc. think
 that either he is the target of a global conspiracy of lunatics or the
 general public are much more imaginative than he has previously thought.

2) WHAT IS THIS SPAM JAKE?
 --------------------------

The plan: on Spam Jake Day (the twenty-third of May, 1994), a lot of
 mail will arrive at the headquarters of Hormel Foods, the manufacturer
 of Spam, from all over the world. This will be from various Discordian,
 SubGenius and other weird religious groups; on official letterhead
 (which looks rather weird), and from people with long, bizarre religious
 titles. Each letter will claim that the sender's own group is the
 original Church of Spam (with appropriate embellishments), and
 requesting official endorsement from Hormel Foods as such.

3) HOW DO I GET INVOLVED?
 -------------------------

If you wish to be involved in this global mindfuck, all you have to do
 is write such a letter, in the name of your religion/conspiracy (if you
 don't have one, found one), adding any embellishments you may wish to
 add and send it to:

        Hormel Foods
         Corporate Offices
         1 Hormel Drive
         Austin, MN 55912

Send the letter before Spam Jake Day, if possible timing it so that it
 arrives on Spam Jake Day. The rest is fnord up to you.

4) WHAT WILL THIS ACHIEVE?
 --------------------------

With luck, somebody at Hormel will find their desk inundated with
 curious missives from all sorts of strange groups from all over the
 world asking for official sanction for some esoteric activity involving
 Spam, or, in the parlance, "weird shit". Unable to dismiss this as a small,
 localised prank they will be very much puzzled by this and possibly
 shall attain illumination from the shock. Candidates for official
 approval may receive interesting replies; furthermore, the media may pick
 up on this, distorting it and adding further chaos to the equation.
 In any case, the ripples of this should be felt far and wide, if enough
 people get involved.

5) WHY SHOULD I GET INVOLVED?
 -----------------------------

Because if you don't, ye shall verily be transformed into a
 Precious Mao Button and distributed to the Poor in the Region of Thud.
 Or not.

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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2011, 11:06:38 pm »
I used to frequent alt.discordia, until it got swamped with bots and cross-posting racists.  That's not the fault of the spags there, of course, but of the archaic nature of usenet.

HA! Me too, started around 2000 when I moved to PDX, and then the group fell under the Timothey Sutter spamtroll.


Greg's few posts are up there. The best post of his in alt.discordia was one that clarifies that Chaos =/= Disorder. Dr. John pointed me to that a few years ago (and warned that, at that point, Greg was succumbing to alcoholism). Can't seem to find where I saved that link tho.
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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2011, 11:23:36 pm »
Damn, can't find it immediately. I did find this on my searches, tho:


http://www.klf.de/home/

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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2011, 04:01:22 am »
I'm totally fascinated by this whole thread.  I'm gonna make a point of bookmarking and scouring the group Google index.  This may take some time.  If I may, anything cool I find I'll put up here.   

I really wish for a copy of those tapes they mentioned from the chat with Mr. Thornley!
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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2011, 10:13:35 pm »
Aww, Cram, you warm my heart!

Most of my anecdotes from the a.d days are personal.

*I apparently said something clever once, because other active members of alt.discordia gave me the K.S.C. title that I carry today. I know it's a title people usually claim for themselves and thus is occasionally more meaningless than true or false, but it meant a lot to me back then so I carry it with me.

*One of my best posts to alt.discordia was detailing a FREE WATER prank. The idea was that water is normally free at water fountains and such, so offering people free water is somewhat suspicious if you do it right. The post detailed an idea to set up a table with little dixie cups and a FREE WATER sign. You would have the table manned by people with clipboards and surveys to ask how people felt before and after drinking the water, and possibly water jugs with different labels so you can carefully record who had which water (all filled from the same tap, of course).

This post got a pretty good response, and I think I sent myself a copy in a long-defunct archive. Unfortunately, I cannot for the life of me find it in the alt.discordia archives, so maybe it was before the Usenet archive started. If anyone finds this, I will totally send you $23. Anyways, several years later, I met a random Internet Discordian and we got to talking and he started telling me about the best post he ever read on alt.discordia. Turns out, it was this post. Kinda cool OMG moment.

*alt.discordia is where I first encountered St. Tim the Canonizer, original founder of the Church of No Dead Saints. When driving cross-country, I stayed at his home and he canonized me. That's where I picked up the Church of No Dead Saints that I run to this day.

*I'm still in touch with a few alt.discordia personalities, notably jcs bimp, Karl Musser of the Cartographer's Conspiracy Cabal, and acb (who used to run the psychoceramics mailing list, for being and discussing crackpots). Kristin Buxton is still around the internets somewhere. Her Discordian website was mentioned in RAW's _Everything is Under Control_.

I started posting to alt.discordia in ~1993 through a local dial-up BBS that had Usenet access. I was 15 at the time. I finally got my own account on the internet proper in late 1994. Alt.discordia was my first internet home, and greatly shaped the person I am today. Reading through my archives there is a mix of nostalgic and painful, fond adolescent memories and awkward "oh god, I said what?!" moments.


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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2011, 10:28:21 pm »
This is utterly fascinating.

Cram, you are an excellent internet archeologist and archivist. Keep on plugging through those posts. :mittens:
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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2011, 03:21:59 am »
Holy shit, alt.Discordia is one year older than me  :oops:

I do not feel worthy to participate in this thread...

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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2011, 07:09:57 pm »
Very interesting thread.

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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2011, 01:36:21 am »
Great stuff here. That account of Thornley's illness is downright heartbreaking.

Also holy shit it's st Mae! Hi st mae!
If sheep entrails could in any way be related to the weather, i.e. sheep trails only originate where it rains, then you could use it as an accurate model for discerning what the weathers going to be like. Either, sheep shit makes it rain, or raining makes sheep shit. Sheep don't shit "randomly" sheep shit after they eat, it doesn't rain "randomly" it rains after water collects in the atmosphere.

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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2011, 12:00:07 am »
"OK, FINE! Just go on & DIE, then,
 dammit, if that's what you want! You just walk down that damn icy road. And
 when you slip or twist your ankle and you're laying there freezing to death
 because nobody is gonna go that way for DAYS, you remember ME, you remember I'm
 the one that got you the damn money to take a taxi and you told me NO!"

"I'm not going to slip. I have good shoes. Exercise is good for kidney
 patients."

I laughed until I wept, I wept until I laughed again.

I can see how his brand of humor wouldn't sit well with his son, though...
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2011, 02:13:40 am »
"OK, FINE! Just go on & DIE, then,
 dammit, if that's what you want! You just walk down that damn icy road. And
 when you slip or twist your ankle and you're laying there freezing to death
 because nobody is gonna go that way for DAYS, you remember ME, you remember I'm
 the one that got you the damn money to take a taxi and you told me NO!"

"I'm not going to slip. I have good shoes. Exercise is good for kidney
 patients."

I laughed until I wept, I wept until I laughed again.

I can see how his brand of humor wouldn't sit well with his son, though...

Sondra London is writing, not his son. She's an author, and I think was his partner for a time (?).
If sheep entrails could in any way be related to the weather, i.e. sheep trails only originate where it rains, then you could use it as an accurate model for discerning what the weathers going to be like. Either, sheep shit makes it rain, or raining makes sheep shit. Sheep don't shit "randomly" sheep shit after they eat, it doesn't rain "randomly" it rains after water collects in the atmosphere.

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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2011, 02:22:30 am »
Sondra London is writing, not his son. She's an author, and I think was his partner for a time (?).

Oops, haha. The fact that I quoted a portion of the text implied something I didn't mean. No, with the son bit I meant in regards to this:

and the whole time I was there he grumbled and growled again and again about how he never wanted to see his son's face again because he never appreciates his jokes.

That is actually, to me, the saddest thing about the anecdote. Like I said, I can see how this brand of humor is hard to appreciate. I have a soft spot for father-son complications, from experience. My dad was a terrible comic (by that I mean dark and hazy), but I see myself in him as days go by.
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Re: Alt.Discordia
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2011, 02:29:03 am »
Ahhh, gotcha.

I think that's more of a 'sick old man ranting' comment, but you're right; it has a sting to it.
If sheep entrails could in any way be related to the weather, i.e. sheep trails only originate where it rains, then you could use it as an accurate model for discerning what the weathers going to be like. Either, sheep shit makes it rain, or raining makes sheep shit. Sheep don't shit "randomly" sheep shit after they eat, it doesn't rain "randomly" it rains after water collects in the atmosphere.