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Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« on: December 15, 2011, 05:57:42 pm »

Hello there,

I am new to Discordianism, I read the Principia and I also know the Book of the Subgenius.
Therefore I have a few questions:
Is a Discordian at the same time also a Subgenius?
Or are there Discordians who dont accept the Subgenius philosophy at all?
What are the similarities and differences?
I feel attracted to Eris.

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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2011, 05:59:34 pm »
Is a Discordian at the same time also a Subgenius?
Or are there Discordians who dont accept the Subgenius philosophy at all?
What are the similarities and differences?
I feel attracted to Eris.

1.  I am.

2.  Yes.

3.  Laughing til your guts bleed.

4.  You're fucked.  She's a tease.  She'll steal all your CDs and give you the clap.
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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2011, 06:05:29 pm »
I am a Discordian and not a Subgenius. I have the book, I've just never read it.
Im guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk, Charles Wick said. It was very complicated.


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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2011, 06:08:32 pm »
I am a Discordian and not a Subgenius. I have the book, I've just never read it.

That's a relief.  It causes swelling of the hate gland, and you're already at critical mass.
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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2011, 06:31:23 pm »
I am a Discordian and not a Subgenius. I have the book, I've just never read it.

That's a relief.  It causes swelling of the hate gland, and you're already at critical mass.

Yeah, I got yelled at for being mean to my ex-husband this morning and I am about to rupture.  :lulz:
Im guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk, Charles Wick said. It was very complicated.


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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 06:34:44 pm »
Is a Discordian at the same time also a Subgenius?

Nope, they're both "opt in" tribes. Being in one doesn't mean you're in the other.

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Or are there Discordians who dont accept the Subgenius philosophy at all?

speaking as a mother,
I borrow a bit from the subgenius philosophy (I find the SLACK concept to be really useful), but I find most of it to be self-important crap designed to puff up your ego and make you feel like you're in the "higher" tribe.


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What are the similarities and differences?

that's a pretty involved question I'm not qualified to answer!

A good place to start would be to look at the differences between Kerry Thornley / Greg Hill and Ivan Stang.

Kerry and Greg were zen students, and dress their ideas in eastern clothes (like the sacred chao)
Stang wears a mad scientist costume, and a lot of his ideas wear the capitalist-cult costume (like having to buy membership into the CotSG)



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Careful -- that bitch is on a TEAR this year.


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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2011, 07:26:01 pm »
Both groups are a fistful of assholes; but only one group asks for $30 first.

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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2011, 07:28:38 pm »
I borrow a bit from the subgenius philosophy (I find the SLACK concept to be really useful), but I find most of it to be self-important crap designed to puff up your ego and make you feel like you're in the "higher" tribe.

Note to self:  Do not use satire around people from New York.

Note to Cram:  The whole thing is a take off on Scientology, which actually means that shit when they say it.

I get the satire, it's still a ego wank.


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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2011, 08:00:04 pm »

By the way: Is the Jehovah-1 in the book of the Subgenius considered the same Jehovah of the bible?

It's my last question about Subgenius :wink:

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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2011, 09:35:00 pm »

By the way: Is the Jehovah-1 in the book of the Subgenius considered the same Jehovah of the bible?

It's my last question about Subgenius :wink:

Sometimes.

JHVH is the God recognized by the Christians.  At least, they think it is.

Jehovah-1 is a space demon that masquerades as JHVH, and spends all day convincing people to be Calvinists.
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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2011, 09:35:31 pm »
I borrow a bit from the subgenius philosophy (I find the SLACK concept to be really useful), but I find most of it to be self-important crap designed to puff up your ego and make you feel like you're in the "higher" tribe.

Note to self:  Do not use satire around people from New York.

Note to Cram:  The whole thing is a take off on Scientology, which actually means that shit when they say it.

I get the satire, it's still a ego wank.



We should put up a list of acceptable jokes.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2011, 09:36:08 pm »
Both groups are a fistful of assholes; but only one group asks for $30 first.

Yeah, but that group also gives you TRIPLE YOUR MONEY BACK if you fail to attain salvation.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2011, 10:41:47 pm »
I borrow a bit from the subgenius philosophy (I find the SLACK concept to be really useful), but I find most of it to be self-important crap designed to puff up your ego and make you feel like you're in the "higher" tribe.

Note to self:  Do not use satire around people from New York.

Note to Cram:  The whole thing is a take off on Scientology, which actually means that shit when they say it.

I get the satire, it's still a ego wank.



Joke you don't enjoy, but is enjoyed by other people here, = ego wank?

Interesting angle...
Im guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk, Charles Wick said. It was very complicated.


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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2011, 11:00:16 pm »
TGRR, quick question: do Subgenius' squabble amongst themselves as much as Discordians?

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Re: Discordianism vs. Subgenius
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2011, 10:54:11 am »

Hello there,

I am new to Discordianism, I read the Principia and I also know the Book of the Subgenius.
Therefore I have a few questions:
Is a Discordian at the same time also a Subgenius?
Or are there Discordians who dont accept the Subgenius philosophy at all?
What are the similarities and differences?
I feel attracted to Eris.

Not precisely the same but there is overlap.  The SG philosophy is a bit more assertive, type-A compared to Discordia, from my perspective.  There are a lot of bits I like but alot that I don't really dig.  Like Cram talked about, the bits on Slack are really good and resonate with me.  And the commentaries on human society.  It's when it gets into the sci-fi stuff that it loses me.  I know it's satire, but I feel in some places it gets a little lost in the satire.  But the powerful pieces are still just as powerful for my money. 
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