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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2012, 11:57:32 pm »
"Also, we have a lot of good cooks, which should always be a consideration when choosing a religion."
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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2012, 12:19:42 am »
that's an interesting angle, you know? I like the idea of just describing its properties instead of its aboutness.


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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2012, 12:26:24 am »
"Also, we have a lot of good cooks, which should always be a consideration when choosing a religion."

The Catholics just dip crappy bread in wine. It's horrible.

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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2012, 12:33:05 am »
Five monkeys live in the world tree.

The first one is a jittery monkey - every time he gets scared, he hides. When he finds a place where he's comfortable, he'll sit there for days.

The second one is a territorial monkey, he's paranoid because he thinks the other monkeys want to steal his bananas.

The third one is the thinking monkey, he has all sorts of interesting things to say about the tree.

The fourth one is the sex monkey, if he can't find another monkey to put his dick in, he just fucks the tree.


The fifth monkey just laughs and laughs all day because the other monkeys are more entertaining than anything else in the world. He is the Discordian.

after going home and having a beer, re-reading this, it would be spaggy to just drop this in response to a straight question.  :lol:

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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2012, 01:49:59 am »
To be used as a starting point -

Paradox is the state of something having two or more contradictory meanings in juxtaposition.
This statement is false is paradoxical because it juxtaposes truth and falsity.
Explosives are paradoxical because they are at the same time lethal weapons, useful tools, and morally neutral globs of elementary particles.
You are paradoxical - a juxtaposition of meat, beliefs, attitudes, behaviours, relationships, and roles.  "You" juxtaposes the "you" of last week with the "you" of today.  "You" juxtaposes the things you say, the things you think, the things you believe, and the things you do - and all four of those are different.
The Universe is paradoxical because it is everything at the same time.

Discord is the state of being aware of and/or perplexed by a paradox in your immediate vicinity.  Discord is often uncomfortable, and sometimes useful.  (When and if "comfort" and "utility" are relevant is up for debate.)

Discordianism is the practice of dealing with / taking advantage of / accepting Discord.  Every man, woman, child, and cabbage is a Discordian, and a Pope at that.  (Paradoxically, many are unaware of this fact.)  A Pope is one who possess the authority to determine what Discordianism is and how it should be done.

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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2012, 01:55:58 am »
To be used as a starting point -

Paradox is the state of something having two or more contradictory meanings in juxtaposition.
This statement is false is paradoxical because it juxtaposes truth and falsity.
Explosives are paradoxical because they are at the same time lethal weapons, useful tools, and morally neutral globs of elementary particles.
You are paradoxical - a juxtaposition of meat, beliefs, attitudes, behaviours, relationships, and roles.  "You" juxtaposes the "you" of last week with the "you" of today.  "You" juxtaposes the things you say, the things you think, the things you believe, and the things you do - and all four of those are different.
The Universe is paradoxical because it is everything at the same time.

Discord is the state of being aware of and/or perplexed by a paradox in your immediate vicinity.  Discord is often uncomfortable, and sometimes useful.  (When and if "comfort" and "utility" are relevant is up for debate.)

Discordianism is the practice of dealing with / taking advantage of / accepting Discord.  Every man, woman, child, and cabbage is a Discordian, and a Pope at that.  (Paradoxically, many are unaware of this fact.)  A Pope is one who possess the authority to determine what Discordianism is and how it should be done.

Congratulations, you're now aware that you're the Pope of the most important religion in your world.

Not sure how well that would go, verbally speaking.

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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2012, 01:58:00 am »
"Also, we have a lot of good cooks, which should always be a consideration when choosing a religion."

That's actually a pretty strange coincidence. 
If someone does the Fine, youre right, Im clearly a terrible person, Im Satan, Im the worst person alive, I should just die thing in response to criticism of their harmful behavior, they are trying to manipulate people and flip the situation around so that they look like a victim.

As a neuroscientist I have to disagree with the perception that anyone is doing mathematical modeling of cognitive intelligence, yet; intelligence as an economist defines it, yes, but economists are worlds away from actual cognition.


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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2012, 02:54:52 am »
Just because we believe in Eris as a Goddess, doesn't neccessarily mean she has to be real.
Just because she is real, doesn't necessarily mean you have to believe in her.
Atheism and Discordianism don't have to be mutually exclusive, unless you want them to be.
Even if Eris isn't real, her effects on the world are. Her people don't follow her religiously, more sort of amble along where she leads, in an aimless looking meander, that looks purposeless, and shambolic, but is really well thought out, exact, and made to be misleading. Sometimes, we mislead ourselves, just for the practice. If you can't mislead yourself, then how can you expect to mislead anyone else convincingly?
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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2012, 03:12:16 am »
Reposted from *ahem* another forum.

Lady Eris has decreed that this place is full of the type of smug, self centred, opinionated halfwits who are just crying out to be by Her Holy Presence. The Apple of Discordia is heading this way, like a great golden comet of nonsense and confusion. There will be a long overdue bursting forth of bursting things, bursting all over the place, and a tide of lulzy ridicule shall wash away the ridiculous, making way for a new paradigm of sublime nonsense. The Earth will shake with laughter as the old order slinks away to nurse it's butthurt, and the new shining order of glorious Discordian Kallisticism and spaggotry shall lift the scales from your eyes, then poke them with the pointy stick of pointlessness. So study your Principia Discordia, Study the buried nuggets of hope fuelled optimism that lie within "The Black Iron Prison" and await the icy fingers of madness in your brain that herald Her arrival. Will you be ready for Her? Will you? All Hail Discordia!
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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2012, 03:14:44 am »
I've got a "daring to define Discordia" post which has been a txt file for a couple of weeks, from which I've been hoping to find a way to describe the thing to explain it to others. Also, because I reread the "Deconstructing Discordianism" thread and need to pin down what it is before exploring in this direction.

I'll adapt it to be a response to this thread. There will be parts that don't make sense, because I still mean to develop them.

I think that to have a summary of Discordianism to quickly explain it, you need to have some kind of long-form definition to reduce, to make sure that the summary covers all the essential points. We all seem to have an understanding of the things that are part of Discordianism and the things that are not. I feel like the answer is something similar to Camus's exploration of the things that make up but do not exhaust the absurd. I don't think that it's useful for Discordianism to totally escape description.

It means very little if someone tells me they are a Discordian. Even involved as I am with it, the most I can know is that they are familiar with a specific set of symbols and memes. If you ask ten of us to define Discordianism you'll get eleven answers.

It's a tricky thing to do though. I mean, Discordianism evades description by design as a means of preventing anyone from becoming an Authority on it. The Principia empowers each of us with the authority to define it as we please, as it tells us that all labels are open to interpretation. Much in the same way as Eris tells us that we are free, without insisting or pushing anything onto us. It says "look, dude. You believe whatever the fuck you want, I'm just saying that I'm not responsible for any of this."



While it may have a reputation for deliberately undermining its own premises, extending Discordianism's self-contradiction to a total denial of meaning and incorporating this into your practical relationship with reality seems stupid to me. Surely there are ways of communicating TFYS without a complete rejection of the usefulness of language. Language is a creative application of order. I don't see the benefit of disordering our definition of Discordianism.

The way that can be spoken of is not the constant way but Discordianism is not a constant way.
Far from it, in fact. Discordianism may be the least constant way there is. That's why it's useful. It's an unstable way for an unstable world. A fickle map for a fickle territory.

I think we need some sort of Really Real Discordianism because otherwise, fuck you, a glass of water is an oak tree.

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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2012, 03:17:41 am »
Once Eris has laid her hand on you, you cannot look elsewhere. There is no elsewhere. There is only Eris, and She is . . . . . . . . . . . . .playing Donkey Kong ??
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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2012, 07:30:07 am »
I always struggle to explain it to the people who ask...
In the end I settle for a few properties depending on who i am talking to, in hope to spark up curiosity. It doesn't really go all that well in most cases.
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1) is it really a religion? i wouldn't call it one. too many symbols have been attached to that word. instead i'd call it a frame of mind for the neophile. "if you like to do new things, explore new thoughts and experiences, then this might be for you" usually it doesn't take long to find out if the person you just met is neophile or neophobe .

2) is there belief? yes, but as a tool of the mind.
personally: if i feel like having a deity in my life, why an old geezer? screw that, i will go with crazy hotness coupled with what keeps us alive on this planet: the big fucking ball of fire in the sky. i end that sentence with a smiling RA! (semi-shouted with a dash of thunder in the voice).

3) since eris is chaos and chaos is where everything starts, all other gods are just aspects of her. so everyone who believes in one god or another is already worshiping eris, albeit indirectly. there was a great thread on this over at MW. maybe we can distill some of that into a short form?

4) confusion is a desireable state of mind. for in a state of confusion it's obvious your usual thought patterns don't work. otherwise you wouldn't be confused. it's the starting point for any new thought, otherwise the confusion will never end. Discordians tend to embrace confusion instead of fighting it.

5) we're a bunch of freaks. and we love to have fun. life's too short to not have as much fun as possible. eris loves fun too.


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Re: The Erisian Hook
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2012, 06:01:12 pm »
It's a fictional religion started in the 1950s as a joke that got way the hell out of control and implanted itself into our reality. It has no meaningful definition, no hierarchy, and no membership. It's about accepting the fact that the world is a chaotic, nonsensical place and making your own happiness within that, or it's about the forces of destructive order battling the forces of creative disorder, or it's about how we are able to perceive the universe; or it's just a bunch of stuff scribbled in the margins. Also, you're a Pope. Good luck with that.
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