homeopathy - my take on it

[M. Nigel Salt]

OK, so, let's maybe agree on the definition of homeopathy.

And then let's maybe agree on the definition of medical science.

There may be much that is accurate with your criticism of medical science. There is, indeed, a great deal to criticize.

but homeopathy, by definition... well, I will say no more. I hope you will look it up.


Your criticism of science as an institution is not wholly inaccurate. However,  your definition of science as a discipline does not apply.

[M. Nigel Salt]

To be more brief, I do not think that the words you are using mean what you think they mean.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Good luck with this thread.  That said, I suspect it will end up like: (why do we even have an emote for that !?)

How could we not?   

[The Good Reverend Roger]

if i had wanted to argue with entire websites or articles on various science websites, i'd probably go there and do so in their face

so, in general, i will not argue with websites or long articles thrust in my face without provocation

Wait.  You posted this thread.  Someone offered a rebuttal, with a supporting link.  How is that "provocation"?

also, my take on science could be summarised as follows:

"i'm all for the gadgetry, the religious aspect - less so"

How is there religion involved?  Would that be the part where science is ruled by the scientific method, not by what hippies would like to believe?
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[Triple Zero]

DEAR HOLIST, WHAT IS HOMEOPATHY?

please explain, what it does and also on what ideas it operates, and also what it is useful for.

pretend like I've never heard about it before.

which might as well be the case since some of what I've heard about it sounds like it wouldn't do anything.

seriously, cause I always thought homeopathy was this whole bunch of different things, some parts much less ridiculous than others (like "natural medicine"), but then most people here think it is this very specific thing (the zillion-million part diluted stuff), which seems quite ridiculous when taken at face-value (so explain what I'm missing here). And then you're from Hungary so it might be a whole other different thing. Or multiple things.

[Triple Zero]

Actually, you already said in the other thread, "i think i subscribe to a version of homeopathy that is quite foreign to both of the above", so obviously it's the latter (of what I said in my previous post).

Since I'm fairly sure everyone on this forum understands homeopathy as either or one of those things, it would make a lot of sense for you to define what you understand it to be, if you want to have any sort of discussion on the matter.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Actually, you already said in the other thread, "i think i subscribe to a version of homeopathy that is quite foreign to both of the above", so obviously it's the latter (of what I said in my previous post).

Since I'm fairly sure everyone on this forum understands homeopathy as either or one of those things, it would make a lot of sense for you to define what you understand it to be, if you want to have any sort of discussion on the matter.

As far as I know, there's two homeopathies.

1.  Things sold by people like Don Lapre, and

2.  Things used by hippies who bought stuff from people like Don Lapre.

Every time you try to get a homeopathy guru to tell you what it is, they run off.  Everytime you refute the bullshit that IS explained, they accuse you of being "religious" about science.  Because they shouldn't HAVE to offer proof.  They should just sell ointments to fat old ladies and haul in the long green.

I'm behind that, on a "Bob"/Canada Bill Jones level, but as far as I've seen, it's still all horseshit.

I'm waiting for Holist to be the exception and explain this shit rationally, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Triple Zero]

Me neither, but I'm still curious to what it is, if it's not the hyperdiluted trace ingredients, nor the "natural medicine" kind of stuff.

I mean, it could be ANYTHING, really.

Maybe they consider penicillin homeopathic in Hungary for all I know.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Me neither, but I'm still curious to what it is, if it's not the hyperdiluted trace ingredients, nor the "natural medicine" kind of stuff.

I mean, it could be ANYTHING, really.

Maybe they consider penicillin homeopathic in Hungary for all I know.

Well, that's exactly my problem, here.  You have to define your terms before you can debate them.

[Triple Zero]

Frankly I'm kind of disappointed that he didn't do just that in the OP, as he led us to expect. And THEN start to half-assedly defend something that nobody was actually talking about since they couldn't have known what it was.

Fortunately I recently learned a new term to describe this phenomenon: Chapel Perilous.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Frankly I'm kind of disappointed that he didn't do just that in the OP, as he led us to expect. And THEN start to half-assedly defend something that nobody was actually talking about since they couldn't have known what it was.

Fortunately I recently learned a new term to describe this phenomenon: Chapel Perilous.

Since he wouldn't tell us, I went looking.

http://www.1-800homeopathy.com·A friendly resource for homeopathic remedies for more than 150 years.

Um.  The interbutts have only been around for like 18 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

Homeopathy Listeni/ˌhoʊmiˈɒpəθi/ (also spelled homoeopathy[1] or homœopathy) is a form of alternative medicine in which practitioners claim to treat patients using highly diluted[2][3] preparations that are believed to cause healthy people to exhibit symptoms that are similar to those exhibited by the patient. The collective weight of scientific evidence has found homeopathy to be no more effective than a placebo.[2][3][4][5][6]

The supporting documents are attached at the bottom.

Modern homeopaths have proposed that water has a memory that allows homeopathic preparations to work without any of the original substance;

Water has a memory?

Homeopathy is the second most widely used system of medicine in the world.

The first would be modern medicine, the third would be some guy in a cock-sheath telling you can cure your AIDS by having sex with a virgin.

 

Holy shit, this just keeps getting better.

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[ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S.]

Yes, Roger, people really do believe this stuff.

I am so completely tired of the "I don't have to support my position except for ENERGY and QUANTUM" that is the chief peddle of woo-meisters everywhere.


If water remembers that it had a bit of garlic in it (as if it was some nebulous thing rather than a collection of interacting molecules of hydrogen and oxygen), even after 30 fold dilution, then it also remembers all the feces and urine it's had in it, as well as dead and decaying things, pathogens, parasites, toxins, heavy metals...yeah. Homeopathy is a hoax.

[Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium]

[Rumckle]

We had this at a music festival in Australia, I find it slightly worrying:

[Faust]

We had this at a music festival in Australia, I find it slightly worrying:

I'm surprised the scientology lot didn't burn that hut down for moving in on their turf.