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How would they have known?
They didn't have knowledge of good nor evil so even if they had a good life they'd never have known it, correct?

Disregard the fact it's all myth.

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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2014, 05:42:44 pm »
Disregard the fact it's all myth.

Sez you.
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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2014, 08:35:33 pm »
How would they have known?
They didn't have knowledge of good nor evil so even if they had a good life they'd never have known it, correct?

Disregard the fact it's all myth.

An interesting question.  Can one experience something they don't have a conceptual basis for?
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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2014, 09:01:00 pm »
The entire world was created 6000 years ago, and all the fossil evidence (and human evidence prior to that date) was created right alongside it.  Adam & Eve were LITERALLY true, there was some serious inbreeding, and that's why humans are STUPID and should SHUT UP.
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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2014, 10:18:26 pm »
I think the 'good' in 'good life' is different to the 'good' in 'good and evil'.

My understanding is that Adam and Eve had no concept of morality, so if you're asking whether Adam and Eve lived a moral life before the apple was eaten, the mythology says that they did and that Evil was not part of man before this act. If you're asking whether their life was 'good' and meaning 'were they content', then probably. Presumably they understood comfort before they understood Evil.

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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2014, 10:46:06 pm »
I think the 'good' in 'good life' is different to the 'good' in 'good and evil'.

My understanding is that Adam and Eve had no concept of morality, so if you're asking whether Adam and Eve lived a moral life before the apple was eaten, the mythology says that they did and that Evil was not part of man before this act. If you're asking whether their life was 'good' and meaning 'were they content', then probably. Presumably they understood comfort before they understood Evil.

Okay, so God makes humans.  He makes them from primate stock, because apparently cats had too much attention span.  He then puts a GREAT BIG TREE in the middle of their yard, and says they can have ANYTHING THEY WANT except for apples from THAT TREE.  Which, to a monkey, is a big neon sign saying "COME FUCK WITH ME".

Meanwhile, Lucifer gets tossed out of heaven for rebelling.  He rebelled because he was told to bow before man because man was superior on account of having free will.  So he rebelled.  Without free will.

Is this starting to smell like a set up?  Anyway.

Lucifer, in the guise of a snake, gets Adam and Eve to eat one of the verboten apples.  Adam - who has free will - is talked into this by the snake, with Eve's support.  But now Eve is to blame, because in the male-centric view of the Abrahamic religions, Eve somehow is responsible for the obstensibly superior Adam's poor decision-making skills.

God pitches a fit, throws Adam & Eve out of the garden, and sets some really scary angels to guard the entrance so they can't go back.  Lucifer gets tossed back into hell, and the poor fucking snake, who was POSSESSED at the time of the incident, loses its legs forever (so long dinosaurs!) and gets to crawl around on its belly.

God is satisfied by all of this for a few generations, then drowns everyone in a big flood, and we go back to inbreeding.

THE END.
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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2014, 10:54:59 pm »
Thank god we are mortals. Also eventually by pure luck the inbreeding would sort itself out. The whole doctor who / merlin thing of going backwards thing is a great way to pull the guilt strings.

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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2014, 01:52:07 am »
do you think the appearance of an apple in both the story of adam and eve *and* the story of the apple of discord is a coincidence in the sense that religions often borrow themes/stories from each other?

or is it just a coincidence?

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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2014, 01:57:29 am »
do you think the appearance of an apple in both the story of adam and eve *and* the story of the apple of discord is a coincidence in the sense that religions often borrow themes/stories from each other?

or is it just a coincidence?

Coincidence.  Back then, they had only one fruit technology.
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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2014, 02:06:54 am »
do you think the appearance of an apple in both the story of adam and eve *and* the story of the apple of discord is a coincidence in the sense that religions often borrow themes/stories from each other?

or is it just a coincidence?

What Roger said. But also, the Book of Genesis doesn't specify what the fruit is.

It was actually one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucumis_metuliferus

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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2014, 03:10:00 am »
I think the 'good' in 'good life' is different to the 'good' in 'good and evil'.

My understanding is that Adam and Eve had no concept of morality, so if you're asking whether Adam and Eve lived a moral life before the apple was eaten, the mythology says that they did and that Evil was not part of man before this act. If you're asking whether their life was 'good' and meaning 'were they content', then probably. Presumably they understood comfort before they understood Evil.

Okay, so God makes humans.  He makes them from primate stock, because apparently cats had too much attention span.  He then puts a GREAT BIG TREE in the middle of their yard, and says they can have ANYTHING THEY WANT except for apples from THAT TREE.  Which, to a monkey, is a big neon sign saying "COME FUCK WITH ME".

Meanwhile, Lucifer gets tossed out of heaven for rebelling.  He rebelled because he was told to bow before man because man was superior on account of having free will.  So he rebelled.  Without free will.

Is this starting to smell like a set up?  Anyway.

Lucifer, in the guise of a snake, gets Adam and Eve to eat one of the verboten apples.  Adam - who has free will - is talked into this by the snake, with Eve's support.  But now Eve is to blame, because in the male-centric view of the Abrahamic religions, Eve somehow is responsible for the obstensibly superior Adam's poor decision-making skills.

God pitches a fit, throws Adam & Eve out of the garden, and sets some really scary angels to guard the entrance so they can't go back.  Lucifer gets tossed back into hell, and the poor fucking snake, who was POSSESSED at the time of the incident, loses its legs forever (so long dinosaurs!) and gets to crawl around on its belly.

God is satisfied by all of this for a few generations, then drowns everyone in a big flood, and we go back to inbreeding.

THE END.

It gets better.

:cracks open Bible:

Quote from: Genesis 3:9-13
But the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you" He said, "I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself." He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The main said, "The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent tricked me, and I ate."

God's asking a lot of information here. From humans. God. Is asking. Humans. To fill him in on information he should already know.
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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2014, 08:08:49 am »
I think the 'good' in 'good life' is different to the 'good' in 'good and evil'.

My understanding is that Adam and Eve had no concept of morality, so if you're asking whether Adam and Eve lived a moral life before the apple was eaten, the mythology says that they did and that Evil was not part of man before this act. If you're asking whether their life was 'good' and meaning 'were they content', then probably. Presumably they understood comfort before they understood Evil.

Okay, so God makes humans.  He makes them from primate stock, because apparently cats had too much attention span.  He then puts a GREAT BIG TREE in the middle of their yard, and says they can have ANYTHING THEY WANT except for apples from THAT TREE.  Which, to a monkey, is a big neon sign saying "COME FUCK WITH ME".

Meanwhile, Lucifer gets tossed out of heaven for rebelling.  He rebelled because he was told to bow before man because man was superior on account of having free will.  So he rebelled.  Without free will.

Is this starting to smell like a set up?  Anyway.

Lucifer, in the guise of a snake, gets Adam and Eve to eat one of the verboten apples.  Adam - who has free will - is talked into this by the snake, with Eve's support.  But now Eve is to blame, because in the male-centric view of the Abrahamic religions, Eve somehow is responsible for the obstensibly superior Adam's poor decision-making skills.

God pitches a fit, throws Adam & Eve out of the garden, and sets some really scary angels to guard the entrance so they can't go back.  Lucifer gets tossed back into hell, and the poor fucking snake, who was POSSESSED at the time of the incident, loses its legs forever (so long dinosaurs!) and gets to crawl around on its belly.

God is satisfied by all of this for a few generations, then drowns everyone in a big flood, and we go back to inbreeding.

THE END.

It gets better.

:cracks open Bible:

Quote from: Genesis 3:9-13
But the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you" He said, "I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself." He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The main said, "The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent tricked me, and I ate."

God's asking a lot of information here. From humans. God. Is asking. Humans. To fill him in on information he should already know.
That's just a basic trick writers use to give exposition without using a narrator.
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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2014, 01:04:17 pm »
God's asking a lot of information here. From humans. God. Is asking. Humans. To fill him in on information he should already know.

Or he's doing the "you got something you want to tell me?" schtick.
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Re: Did Eve & Adam have a good life before Serpent/Satan came along?
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2014, 11:59:17 pm »
God's asking a lot of information here. From humans. God. Is asking. Humans. To fill him in on information he should already know.

Or he's doing the "you got something you want to tell me?" schtick.

I lean towards this assumption; it seems a common shaming or guilt-tripping trait among people. I suspect God, upon recognizing what has happened, was treating A&E the way an aggressive pet-owner treats their pet: "Did you shit on the rug, Fido?!?!" The owner knows that the pet did it and needn't ask, but does so through ingrained habit to bring the sub-creature's attention to its wrongdoing.
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