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Re: music - what is it?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2012, 09:30:46 pm »
I fracking love me some 303...it's practically what defines music that sounds "ravey" to me.

Different musics do different things to me. Music, for me, is as much about elements of my persnalit(ies) as it is about mood or expression.

For instance: there's the Happy Hardcore girl who's usually running around with cat ears and trying to make everyone "get the joke."

There's the House Music girl who's got love and soul and sometimes a few troubles and has to work em out on the dance flo'.

There's the runaway in here: the girl who hopped on a bus to TX at 15. Thelma and Louise. The girl who wants to say "fuck it" and drive back down to Phoenix with the windows open, blasting the Pixies the whole way.

There's hippie girl (Classic rock), monkey-girl (TMBGs), and men-don't-understand-girl (Tori Amos). I've got a goth in here, an aristocrat, an intellectual and a sun-goddess.

I don't know if the music helped me develop these personalities or if they're just associations...a little classical, Pavlovian conditioning. I do know if the music was gone-if I lost my hearing or the notes in my head-that parts of me would be lost.

What that means to you, I don't know. I enjoyed sharing it. I hope it helps articulate something in your mind, maybe.
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Re: music - what is it?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2012, 09:34:04 pm »
LMNO, checked Youtube and indeed it was that song, thanks :D

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2012, 09:45:13 pm »
Ive got the rocker guy obviously and the heavy metal twin of his. The irish rebel singer comes out when whiskey is available and the mood strikes. Recently theres been this guy who looks like me wearing a cowboy hat that comes around looking for three chords and the truth. Then theres that dark and broody guy. Hes a bit of a downer but when he plays the guitar the guitar gives you an idea of whats on his mind. Then theres the other guy with the mischievous smirk. You dont know what hes about to put on but you know its going to be stuck in your head for the rest of the day. You hate him a little bit but he makes you laugh.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2012, 09:45:49 pm »
I used to say music was a drug that goes in your ears.  Upon reading the OP, it occurs to me that music is simply a type of literature.  Certainly, the lyrics are words.  It is difficult to define music without getting sidetracked by what is "good" music and what is not.

What is interesting to me is the role that music plays in forming identity.  Especially in adolescence.

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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2012, 10:54:43 pm »
Everything is sound, and it is sound that turns matter and energy into form.
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2012, 11:50:13 pm »
Everything is sound, and it is sound that turns matter and energy into form.
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2012, 11:53:15 pm »
In space no one can hear you sing. On karaoke night sometimes this is a good thing.
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2012, 11:54:06 pm »
In space no one can hear you sing. On karaoke night sometimes this is a good thing.

I agree that karaoke singers should be shoved out an airlock.

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2012, 12:13:36 am »
in recent months, a large part of my endless musings that occupy me while i perform repetitive tasks such as driving, walking, housework and translation have been devoted to what i would term the philosophy of music, a kind of tentative prolegomena to a fundamental aesthetic and ontology of music, or, in less reprehensibly multisyllabic terms, to answering questions such as

what is music?

why do we like what we like, dislike what we dislike, and disregard what we disregard in the field of music?

what makes a good listener and what makes a good musician?

what makes a poor listener and a poor musician?

and, as heidegger may well have asked before me, why is there music at all and why is there not silence instead?



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In my opinion, John Cage said it best: "Music is intended noise."

In a simplified form maybe, but there's loads of cool stuff going on.

Like, music is really any set of noises that the brain can pull it's pattern recognition/Starbuck's pebbles bullshit on.  A lot of that is down to cultural learning and tradition but there are *sort of* constraints on what CAN be considered music.  For example, the number of notes in an octave isn't  entirely arbitrary, well, it's a arbitrary, but basically, if you divide an octave up into a small number of tones then the number of interesting melodies you can make is severely limited.  At the other end it starts to get too complex for your head to relate it to whatever musical tradition you happed to be steeped in.  Most natural musical traditions divide the octave up into between 7 and 20 tones, microtonal scales exist in theory far more than practice, the majority of traditions that use microtones use them in much the same way that the blues uses bent notes, as grace notes largely.  This is pretty much why the music of people like Harry Paartch sounds kinda, well... like ass, but there is cool science too!  Yay:

What makes a good musician?

TRADITION!  No really..  Ok quick disclaimer, this next sentence may or may not sound like bollocks:  The brain organises it's interpretation of tone in a similar way to colour.  They did some cool experiments where they played people a tone that would slowly increase in pitch (let's say E to F for ease), basically there is a point somewhere inbetween those two tones where brains go "this isn't a sharp E anymore, this is a flat F".  That's part of why (probably) listening to music which uses different intervals than the ones we're used to can be quite unpleasant, because the tones and harmonies created conflict with the way the brain has taught itself that tones and harmonies are SUPPOSED to happen.

Why music and not silence?

There's some spurious evolutionary psychology claiming that music is the basis of language, it evolved as our original form of communication...  I said spurious didn't I?

Marginally less spurious is the claim that music is/was useful for regulating group emotions (fairly sure there is actually a study on that...) thus improving group cohesion.


Mostly, music is fucking awesome.

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2012, 12:18:46 am »
Joni Mitchell.  Only it's actually called "Big Yellow Taxi".

Cinderella's song is better.  Even before "Big Yellow Taxi" was tainted by Adam Duritz. 
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2012, 12:23:42 am »
Wait what? I get that e sharp and f flat theoretically exist as microtones but wouldn't they be the same tone? A sharp is identical to b flat what you call it just depends on what key youre in. I know im latching onto a small part of your post im just trying to make sense of it.
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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2012, 12:33:56 am »
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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2012, 12:34:26 am »
Wait what? I get that e sharp and f flat theoretically exist as microtones but wouldn't they be the same tone? A sharp is identical to b flat what you call it just depends on what key youre in. I know im latching onto a small part of your post im just trying to make sense of it.

Actually I didn't put it that clearly :/  E and F are semitone apart yes, so the mid point will be a quartertone sharp E or a quartertone flat F, and rather than experiencing that as a tone of itself its put into the category of either a sharpened E or flattened F.  I'm not sure if that is actually clearer, basically frequency is a continous scale that the brain imposes discreet categories onto.

If you have a guitar, you can test this simply by slowly bending a note up a semitone and seeing if you experience the change between the first and second note yourself, it should be quite obvious and quite sudden

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2012, 01:16:19 am »
Sound given meaning. Utterly subjective. End of story.
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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2012, 01:55:11 am »
Sound given meaning. Utterly subjective. End of story.

Except for Johnny Cash.  And James Brown.  And the Rolling Stones.

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