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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #330 on: May 14, 2012, 05:22:07 pm »
Yeah.  My reaction to the above post was pretty  :| initially, but the more I thought about it, the more it annoyed me.

I mean, is pointing out a hypothetical Nazi has a Jewish background, for example, anti-Semitism?  No, it's pointing out an incongruence between his ideology and his reality.  Equally, pointing out a bunch of white supremacists aren't really looking like all that pure specimens of the Aryan race is not endorsing the ideology of White Supremacy, as much as it is poking fun at those who claim it without thinking through how it applies to them personally.

I'll accept I sometimes overthink things, but this strikes me as fairly obvious, right?
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #331 on: May 14, 2012, 05:26:24 pm »
Yeah.  My reaction to the above post was pretty  :| initially, but the more I thought about it, the more it annoyed me.

I mean, is pointing out a hypothetical Nazi has a Jewish background, for example, anti-Semitism?  No, it's pointing out an incongruence between his ideology and his reality.  Equally, pointing out a bunch of white supremacists aren't really looking like all that pure specimens of the Aryan race is not endorsing the ideology of White Supremacy, as much as it is poking fun at those who claim it without thinking through how it applies to them personally.

I'll accept I sometimes overthink things, but this strikes me as fairly obvious, right?

Hey, someone has to be the morality cop, right?  We can't say anything BAD about bad people, because that makes us bad.

Using that logic, everyone who fought the Nazis in WWII was nothing more than a murderer.
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #332 on: May 14, 2012, 05:31:58 pm »
As always, when people decide to play this game when it comes to making fun of people, I direct them to this post:

hxxp://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/28/go-fuck-yourself/

The OP misses the point entirely, and "Sadly, No! Investor Services" in the comments makes all the points I am too bored with repeating to make again.  In fact, if you replace "being fat" with "making fun of NeoNazis for a lack of racial purity", you pretty much exactly the same argument.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #333 on: May 14, 2012, 05:35:04 pm »
As always, when people decide to play this game when it comes to making fun of people, I direct them to this post:

hxxp://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/02/28/go-fuck-yourself/

The OP misses the point entirely, and "Sadly, No! Investor Services" in the comments makes all the points I am too bored with repeating to make again.  In fact, if you replace "being fat" with "making fun of NeoNazis for a lack of racial purity", you pretty much exactly the same argument.

I don't even go that far.

Some people are simply worthless shitheads.  Nazis are a good example.  I make fun of them, and I don't need to justify it at all.  I mean, they're fucking Nazis, right?  In my eyes they don't get any consideration at all, and none of the normal rules I impose on myself apply.  And if that bothers some people or makes them think that I am acting badly or that I am in fact a Bad Person™, well, I won't lose any sleep over it. 

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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #334 on: May 14, 2012, 05:40:57 pm »
I'd also like to point out that I have people tell me how to act, each and every day, IRL.

I don't listen to them, either.
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #335 on: May 15, 2012, 03:11:50 am »
Yep.

The rules went out the window when they decided they were superior because of their cracker ancestry and therefore had some innate right to lord it over everybody else.

Besides, they're fugly.  :lol:
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #336 on: May 17, 2012, 01:24:21 pm »
This case is twister than a bag of snakes.

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Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News.

The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch  in size –  on his left ring finger below the knuckle.

Separately, a medical report on Martin’s alleged killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, prepared by his personal physician the day after Martin’s shooting in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, found that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer suffered a likely broken nose, swelling, two black eyes and cuts to the scalp. That report, first reported Tuesday by ABC News, also was reviewed by NBC News.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40362_Trayvon_Martin_Autopsy-_Knuckle_Injury_Was_Tiny_but_Gunshot_Was_at_Intermediate_Range

The tales of Martin's hands being all busted up appear to have been gross exaggeration. 
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #337 on: May 17, 2012, 01:31:42 pm »
Either Trayvon Martin was a ninja, or Zimmerman didn't get those wounds from fighting him.
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #338 on: May 17, 2012, 01:33:21 pm »
Either Trayvon Martin was a ninja, or Zimmerman didn't get those wounds from fighting him.

Also, Zimmerman seems to have shot Martin from a bit of a distance.
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #339 on: May 17, 2012, 01:36:46 pm »
That too.  Clearly what happened was Zimmerman heroically fought off a vicious ninja beatdown at the hands of Martin, pushing him away, ran back and then took his gun out for the shot.  Ninjas have throwing stars, after all, so it's not like distance meant the threat had diminished.
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #340 on: May 18, 2012, 02:11:10 pm »
So that pretty much blows the "raining down blows on him MMA style" testimony. Unless he threw 20 and only landed one.
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #341 on: May 18, 2012, 02:31:14 pm »
You know, at this point I am kind of hoping that as evidence mounts, Zimmerman will have a crisis of conscience and confess, because those cops need to be investigated.

Of course, protecting the cops who protected him might at this point be the only "honor" he's got to hang on to.
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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #342 on: May 18, 2012, 02:33:53 pm »
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Previously unreleased pics made public.

Also, I don't consider 1" - 36" to be "distance" when shooting a gun, but maybe that's ME speak for just over point blank range (or just over close enough to burn skin or leave powder marks?)

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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #343 on: May 18, 2012, 03:41:35 pm »
"ultimately avoidable"

WELL, YEAH. Since all the guy had to do to avoid it was NOT TAKE HIS GUN AND USE IT TO ACCOST A STRANGER WALKING DOWN THE STREET.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

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Re: Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
« Reply #344 on: May 18, 2012, 04:36:21 pm »
"ultimately avoidable"

WELL, YEAH. Since all the guy had to do to avoid it was NOT TAKE HIS GUN AND USE IT TO ACCOST A STRANGER WALKING DOWN THE STREET.

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