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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2012, 11:52:28 pm »
I know, right?  Evil is fucking everywhere.  Quick, hide your socks!

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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #76 on: June 12, 2012, 11:53:58 pm »
I don't think you're evil, RWHN. I think you're a shitty person with bad principles, working as a puny cog in a system which perpetuates evil on your fellow human beings, and telling yourself that you have a great mission to Save the Kids.
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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #77 on: June 12, 2012, 11:54:18 pm »
Nixon called, RWHN. He says he all the stains came off the walls and he wants you to come see.
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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2012, 12:02:04 am »
I don't think you're evil, RWHN. I think you're a shitty person with bad principles, working as a puny cog in a system which perpetuates evil on your fellow human beings, and telling yourself that you have a great mission to Save the Kids.

I think most people can rationalize away the rotten shit they associate themselves with.

For example, I can ignore some pretty rotten shit in the interests of keeping the lights on.
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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2012, 12:17:41 am »
Now, now, you can't let up on we Bad People.  Your kids might end up in Jesus Camp!
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« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2012, 12:20:33 am »
I'm such a Bad Person that now we have 10 guests viewing the Fucking Orange Eating Contest!  Only the Truly Bad can conjure up fell deeds of that nature.
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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2012, 12:35:55 am »
No need for caps, you're just a regular lower-case kind of guy. As much as you'd like to believe anyone thinks otherwise.
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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
― Assata Shaku

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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #82 on: June 13, 2012, 12:52:55 am »
No need for caps, you're just a regular lower-case kind of guy. As much as you'd like to believe anyone thinks otherwise.

GEEZ!

          have you eaten since that weird breakfast we had?
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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #83 on: June 13, 2012, 01:01:08 am »
No need for caps, you're just a regular lower-case kind of guy. As much as you'd like to believe anyone thinks otherwise.

GEEZ!

          have you eaten since that weird breakfast we had?

I ate a meat.
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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #84 on: June 13, 2012, 01:26:45 am »
No need for caps, you're just a regular lower-case kind of guy. As much as you'd like to believe anyone thinks otherwise.

GEEZ!

          have you eaten since that weird breakfast we had?

I ate a meat.

YEAH

          obviously. i guess i meant, other than rwhn (?)
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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #85 on: June 13, 2012, 04:31:44 am »
No need for caps, you're just a regular lower-case kind of guy. As much as you'd like to believe anyone thinks otherwise.

GEEZ!

          have you eaten since that weird breakfast we had?

I ate a meat.

YEAH

          obviously. i guess i meant, other than rwhn (?)
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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #86 on: June 13, 2012, 03:05:22 pm »
i'd just like to go on record saying that i agree with LMNOs post.  I may not agree with RWHN on the drug issues, but i respect him, and feel that the vitriol is unbecoming.

ON a more interesting note....
Is anyone knowledgeable on work done formally mapping common debates?

A quick google of 'debate map' gave a link to debategraph.org which is kinda neat on a cursory examination...
it seems that if there were central debate maps maintained, it would avoid rehashing points ad nauseum that have been put to rest.

Instead of starting each debate with basic premise and following well worn paths (that often lead to cul-de-sacs of stupid), you could start the conversation with a reference to the map and a claim that you offer an undocumented supporting argument to position #3721 (or whatever)
If someone brings up a point that has been covered, you simply have to point out where, and the arguments surrounding it could be seen in full at their disposal.  if they have something new to add, they can bring that up legitimately without having to trudge through the intermediate steps that simply make people upset and resistant before getting to new territory.


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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #87 on: June 13, 2012, 04:00:51 pm »
i'd just like to go on record saying that i agree with LMNOs post.  I may not agree with RWHN on the drug issues, but i respect him, and feel that the vitriol is unbecoming.

Having spent the bulk of my life seeing good people dragged through legal nightmares over the controlled substance issue and seeing my kids get shoved into cop cars for such heinous acts as school tardies, I'm not concerned with what's "becoming" anymore. I don't particularly give a fuck how I look to anybody.
 
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ON a more interesting note....
Is anyone knowledgeable on work done formally mapping common debates?

A quick google of 'debate map' gave a link to debategraph.org which is kinda neat on a cursory examination...
it seems that if there were central debate maps maintained, it would avoid rehashing points ad nauseum that have been put to rest.

Instead of starting each debate with basic premise and following well worn paths (that often lead to cul-de-sacs of stupid), you could start the conversation with a reference to the map and a claim that you offer an undocumented supporting argument to position #3721 (or whatever)
If someone brings up a point that has been covered, you simply have to point out where, and the arguments surrounding it could be seen in full at their disposal.  if they have something new to add, they can bring that up legitimately without having to trudge through the intermediate steps that simply make people upset and resistant before getting to new territory.

Interesting in theory, but...rules?  :lol:
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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #88 on: June 13, 2012, 04:04:42 pm »
i'd just like to go on record saying that i agree with LMNOs post.  I may not agree with RWHN on the drug issues, but i respect him, and feel that the vitriol is unbecoming.

ON a more interesting note....
Is anyone knowledgeable on work done formally mapping common debates?

A quick google of 'debate map' gave a link to debategraph.org which is kinda neat on a cursory examination...
it seems that if there were central debate maps maintained, it would avoid rehashing points ad nauseum that have been put to rest.

Instead of starting each debate with basic premise and following well worn paths (that often lead to cul-de-sacs of stupid), you could start the conversation with a reference to the map and a claim that you offer an undocumented supporting argument to position #3721 (or whatever)
If someone brings up a point that has been covered, you simply have to point out where, and the arguments surrounding it could be seen in full at their disposal.  if they have something new to add, they can bring that up legitimately without having to trudge through the intermediate steps that simply make people upset and resistant before getting to new territory.

"Unbecoming"?  :lulz:

As, in, such uppityness is unbecoming for a lady?

Sorry, I'll get back in the kitchen now, massah.
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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
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Re: On the recurrence of discussions
« Reply #89 on: June 13, 2012, 04:07:42 pm »
Oh, dear.   :lulz:

I'm coverin' my head.
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