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Re: An extract I'd like to discuss
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2012, 08:03:14 am »
Are Western Buddhists going around pushing a 'discovery of one's true Self'? It doesn't look like anything I've seen on the subject. Capital S "Self" looks more like Wayne Dyer or wicca.  :lol:

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Re: An extract I'd like to discuss
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2012, 12:57:35 pm »
I think it's not so much about Western Buddhists but the popular conceptions of Zen in the West (a la anything with the word 'Zen' in it at the self help section of your local book shop).

The bit about Shrek was great; it's a good cautionary tale for people trying to subvert concepts; aesthetically subverting things in a clever way does not equate to changing the concept.

I see links with Dolores's work on Chaos Marxism, which asserts that as an individual cannot build a culture by oneself, one should join a larger organism (in the sense of this article 'submitting' oneself to the abandonment of the self) and let oneself be used to build change as part of a larger structure.

Hopefully I haven't misunderstood anything.

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Re: An extract I'd like to discuss
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2012, 05:44:15 pm »
I think it's not so much about Western Buddhists but the popular conceptions of Zen in the West (a la anything with the word 'Zen' in it at the self help section of your local book shop).

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Re: An extract I'd like to discuss
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2012, 02:20:20 am »
The bit about Shrek was great; it's a good cautionary tale for people trying to subvert concepts; aesthetically subverting things in a clever way does not equate to changing the concept.

That was certainly a segment that made me stop and think, but I'm not sure that he's actually correct. I think there's a point of so many subverted tropes (and I've hit his personally) where seeing the original form makes the viewer step back and say, "Wait, that's it? She just waits to be rescued, and then she gets rescued?"

He seems to be saying that rather than updating old narratives, <target audience> should be constructing entirely new narratives - which I don't think works from a purely human nature standpoint; we reject or ignore new stories and ideas that can't explain themselves in terms of old ones.
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Re: An extract I'd like to discuss
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2012, 03:46:31 am »
I feel the need to comment on this, but it's really late and I'm on a phone. I'll try to remind myself tomorrow.
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