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Re: Chasing Eris
« Reply #360 on: November 17, 2012, 03:13:28 am »
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

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I've decided that in spite of your poor judgment and in spite of what I think about how you treated Nigel and others in the FB group, I'm not writing you off as a person. Everyone fucks up, even people who are otherwise worthwhile. I do think you owe a sincere apology to Nigel and anyone else you treated with a dictatorial hand in a discordian facebook group. Because that shit really DOES reek of Captain Utopia and I don't think you're really like that.

This, of course, will change drastically should my wishes in regards to this site not be respected.
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Re: Chasing Eris
« Reply #361 on: November 17, 2012, 03:16:52 am »
One of the things that bothers me, and one of the reasons I don't want to be in any way associated with that "person", is that it doesn't matter how much I disavow sharing his views, it could affect my ability to get a job working with children or adolescents. "I'm not one of the ones who's into that" doesn't go very far.

In the unlikely event he becomes a public spokesperson for Discordia, and I am identified as associating with Discordians, the same could apply. Luckily that's incredibly improbable.

I am nauseated by the people who are saying "Well, he advocates some objectionable ideas about adults having sex with underage kids, but he's a fellow Discordian". That goes about as far with me as the Catholic Church saying "Well, he fondled a few altar boys, but he's a prominent figure in the Church" or the BBC saying "Well, he raped a few teenage girls, but his show gets good ratings".
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« Reply #362 on: November 17, 2012, 03:22:40 am »
I am also pretty irritated that I got my ass jumped in his group just for ASKING whether it was true that Loveshade was involved, and a ton of assumptions poured onto my question, including that I was giving an ultimatum, which I never fucking did, but was Dingo putting words in my mouth. And THEN I was banned, while I was away at classes, without a chance to finish my end of the conversation or to defend myself from the accusation that I was somehow trying to "control" Dingo's project.

The Cult of Loveshade.  :vom:
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

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Um, Dingo, that was an interesting way of wording that.

Pretty noncommittal, I agree.

There's some really fucked up shit down this rabbit hole.

http://www.loveshade.org/

"The Loveshade Family Blog"?

Loveshade FAMILY?

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« Reply #363 on: November 17, 2012, 03:27:26 am »
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« Reply #364 on: November 17, 2012, 03:31:19 am »
http://discordia.loveshade.org/church/index.html

Ew ew ew

HE HAS A KIDS' CLUB. :vom: :vom: :vom:

Click it.  The first hotlink won't take you there, it takes you to an intro page.

You just THINK you feel ill right now.

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« Reply #365 on: November 17, 2012, 03:34:28 am »
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« Reply #366 on: November 17, 2012, 03:35:53 am »
No thanks, I've seen more than enough.  I'm more than slightly disgusted.

But any doubts I may have had are now gone forever.
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« Reply #367 on: November 17, 2012, 03:40:48 am »
Indeed.

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« Reply #368 on: November 17, 2012, 04:04:39 am »


I've decided that in spite of your poor judgment and in spite of what I think about how you treated Nigel and others in the FB group, I'm not writing you off as a person.

You're a better person than I am.

Dingo's a fucktard.
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« Reply #369 on: November 17, 2012, 04:14:25 am »
I'm happy to address a few points here and there, to clarify but I'm for the must part not going to take a great deal of time to talk in this particular thread, as it's clearly not of use to me as an organising thread.

1. In terms of what I write, I do intend to make explicit that I and Discordia at large are opposed to and appalled by paedophilia/hebephilia (sp?). There've been some completely legitimate concerns regarding the possible implication of others being OK with that, to the point that I agree it needs to be made explicit. I think I want to expand on this soon, and will cross post it.

2. I agree in terms of my actions in terms of the FB group. I had thought I had said as much privately to Nigel but I looked over my message and it wasn't really an apology. So, to the four people I took out of the group, I apologise; I'm sorry for the way in which it was done. I am using this page as a trip organiser and will be limiting membership to people who want involvement but the way I went about achieving that was a dick move.

3. I have not and do not intend to unfriend anyone on Facebook. I suspect some of the people accusing me of doing so were never connected to me on Facebook to begin with. It's petty, passive aggressive behaviour, and I don't indulge in it.

4. If I take a long time to respond to anyone, it will be because I'm crazy busy moving, marking and getting ready for next year. Not because I'm snubbing. (Twid, I'll hit you back in a few hours)
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Re: Chasing Eris
« Reply #370 on: November 17, 2012, 04:18:28 am »
One of the things that bothers me, and one of the reasons I don't want to be in any way associated with that "person", is that it doesn't matter how much I disavow sharing his views, it could affect my ability to get a job working with children or adolescents. "I'm not one of the ones who's into that" doesn't go very far.

In the unlikely event he becomes a public spokesperson for Discordia, and I am identified as associating with Discordians, the same could apply. Luckily that's incredibly improbable.

I am nauseated by the people who are saying "Well, he advocates some objectionable ideas about adults having sex with underage kids, but he's a fellow Discordian". That goes about as far with me as the Catholic Church saying "Well, he fondled a few altar boys, but he's a prominent figure in the Church" or the BBC saying "Well, he raped a few teenage girls, but his show gets good ratings".

Even when I was a totally Pagan Pagan and not a flirting with Pope Jesus Christian, this applies.

The Roman Catholic Church should disavow and defrock their pedophiles.

I don't see why Eris should not do the same.

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« Reply #371 on: November 17, 2012, 04:27:10 am »
Dingo, I would like you to address my concerns, and admit that you're only doing this for journalistic integrity and that everyone who is still involved has been informed and can make a "fuck this guy I'm out" call.

Because I'm sorry.

Every group in the world has a fucking pedophile.

Do we need to point at ours, or should we just kick his ass and put him in jail?


What's his age limit? What jurisdiction does he live in?
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« Reply #372 on: November 17, 2012, 04:49:26 am »
Dingo has responded.

My priorities are to return to Ireland. So Faust, English and Scottish and Scandinavian spags:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,33715.0.html

No ill will, but I am no longer tied to New England anymore than I already am, other than the Tucson delegation in spring. Anarchangel is my reason for being in the Northeastern part of the United States. My grandfather and father are my reason to not be in New England.
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« Reply #373 on: November 17, 2012, 04:54:14 am »
I'm happy to address a few points here and there, to clarify but I'm for the must part not going to take a great deal of time to talk in this particular thread, as it's clearly not of use to me as an organising thread.

1. In terms of what I write, I do intend to make explicit that I and Discordia at large are opposed to and appalled by paedophilia/hebephilia (sp?). There've been some completely legitimate concerns regarding the possible implication of others being OK with that, to the point that I agree it needs to be made explicit. I think I want to expand on this soon, and will cross post it.

2. I agree in terms of my actions in terms of the FB group. I had thought I had said as much privately to Nigel but I looked over my message and it wasn't really an apology. So, to the four people I took out of the group, I apologise; I'm sorry for the way in which it was done. I am using this page as a trip organiser and will be limiting membership to people who want involvement but the way I went about achieving that was a dick move.

3. I have not and do not intend to unfriend anyone on Facebook. I suspect some of the people accusing me of doing so were never connected to me on Facebook to begin with. It's petty, passive aggressive behaviour, and I don't indulge in it.

4. If I take a long time to respond to anyone, it will be because I'm crazy busy moving, marking and getting ready for next year. Not because I'm snubbing. (Twid, I'll hit you back in a few hours)
Oh fuck right the hell off.

I have no vested interest in either your project or in Loveshade. But you know, when you come right out and SAY that anyone who isn't doesn't want to participate is Loveshade is involved should go fuck themselves, that sends a clear signal, don't it? And certainly, YOUR word is going to hold a lot of water after your hypocritical little nonsense, about your real name, yeah?

But I digress. Let me get to the point. You, sir, are the worst kind of snake-oil salesman. You don't actually care about representing "Discordia", you care about something else. Controversy, maybe? Getting the "big" names? Internet famous? Whatever. Doesn't matter. If you wanted to give an accurate portrayal of "modern Discordia", then Loveshade wouldn't be in it, and the rest of those who protested would. You are holding onto one (1) person's contributions, at the risk of losing... 5, 10, 50, 100? At what point is the loss enough?

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« Reply #374 on: November 17, 2012, 05:05:50 am »
3. I have not and do not intend to unfriend anyone on Facebook. I suspect some of the people accusing me of doing so were never connected to me on Facebook to begin with. It's petty, passive aggressive behaviour, and I don't indulge in it.


That was just me. We were friends on Facebook, but after I saw I was blocked from the group I went to message you and found that we no longer were. I didn't unfriend you, so...
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