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Re: Chasing Eris
« Reply #420 on: November 18, 2012, 05:23:02 pm »
Roger is welcome to participate as is anyone else, so I feel it's a bit disingenous to say I'm 'perfectly fine with leaving Roger out.' I spoke to Roger regarding Loveshade in late August, and it wasn't a dealbreaker at the time. I spoke again two months later in October when he told me he wouldn't be participating, and it was clear to me that this wasn't contingent on my changing my project, and that is wasn't related to LS.

Re; the group, as I said, I handelled it badly at the time, immediately pulling out the four people who announced they wouldn't intend to be participating any more in that LS thread. I had a little freakout, stressing about the group collapsing into drama, and made a poor snap judgment. There's two people in the group now that I'm aware of who have let me know they definately will not be taking part, but rather than making the same mistake repeatedly for the sake of consistency, it seems like less drama and upset to ask those individuals to take themselves out of the group when they're ready.

I do not suspect that any of the troubles I've had over the course of the project are the result of a conspiracy of any form, and haven't suggested as much to anyone.

I'll definitely be contacting Shii, thank you. [Edit: If possible]

Also, Nigel I know you're not telling me that your participation is contingent on my leaving Loveshade out. But others were, so the comments specific to that, were meant for the people to whom they applied, not as an insult to you personally.

Turns out, Shii is a Libertardian Paulbot. So that works out well, you'll really be doing great job of representing what Discordia is all about. Enjoy your 3 seconds of internet fame among the worst examples of a tiny and obscure subculture. And enjoy knowing that any outsider who does stumble across your work comes away with exactly the wrong impression of what Discordia is all about.
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Re: Chasing Eris
« Reply #421 on: November 18, 2012, 05:41:14 pm »
I have to say, something else that I find kind of insulting, not personally but more generally, is his "all of you are disposable" attitude. It makes my skin crawl. It's like he has too much pride to just say, "OK, here are some really key figures and it's important that I include them if at all possible, how can I make that happen?" Instead, the attitude he has presented has been that Loveshade is too important to leave out, and the rest of us are disposable. It seems really arrogant and belittling. How hard is it to just say, "Hey, you're important, and it's important to me to include you, can we work this out?"
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« Reply #422 on: November 18, 2012, 06:02:18 pm »
I've been trying to overlook that aspect because I don't want to interject my own ego into the dialogue, but yeah, that is pretty shitty.
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Re: Chasing Eris
« Reply #423 on: November 18, 2012, 06:58:24 pm »
Sacrificing the best people in order to include Loveshade is retarded anyway. This thing is going to suck. [/obvious]
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« Reply #424 on: November 18, 2012, 07:08:06 pm »
Yeah, I'm really starting to think we should do our own version with an explicit disclaimer as to why.
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Re: Chasing Eris
« Reply #425 on: November 18, 2012, 07:08:21 pm »
Either that or just fuck it, complete schism.
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Re: Chasing Eris
« Reply #426 on: November 18, 2012, 07:10:43 pm »
SCHISM!

DESTROY THE HERETICS!
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

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― Doktor Howl, 2014

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Re: Chasing Eris
« Reply #427 on: November 18, 2012, 07:11:14 pm »
I suggest we call our schism The Really Fake Discordians (for Fakeness).
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
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Re: Chasing Eris
« Reply #428 on: November 18, 2012, 07:18:16 pm »
I was thinking something more subtle. Like "Discrodians".
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« Reply #429 on: November 18, 2012, 07:22:35 pm »
Yeah, I'm really starting to think we should do our own version with an explicit disclaimer as to why.

On one hand, I don't really want to give it that much legitimacy, but on the other hand, I'd rather distance Discordia from Loveshade than have to distance myself from Discordia because we didn't.

“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

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« Reply #430 on: November 18, 2012, 07:25:38 pm »
Yeah, I'm really starting to think we should do our own version with an explicit disclaimer as to why.

On one hand, I don't really want to give it that much legitimacy, but on the other hand, I'd rather distance Discordia from Loveshade than have to distance myself from Discordia because we didn't.



Yeah, that's kind of my thinking on the matter. Plus, our version will obviously be better since it won't be leaving out half of the more active discordians. And there's no reason we can't include some (or even most) of the people from Dingo's version.

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« Reply #431 on: November 18, 2012, 07:26:26 pm »
I do like the idea of being a Fake Discordian. :lol: It adds another layer of convoluted to the "it's a joke disguised as a religion or a religion disguised as a joke".
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

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« Reply #432 on: November 18, 2012, 07:31:57 pm »
Yeah, I'm really starting to think we should do our own version with an explicit disclaimer as to why.

On one hand, I don't really want to give it that much legitimacy, but on the other hand, I'd rather distance Discordia from Loveshade than have to distance myself from Discordia because we didn't.



Yeah, that's kind of my thinking on the matter. Plus, our version will obviously be better since it won't be leaving out half of the more active discordians. And there's no reason we can't include some (or even most) of the people from Dingo's version.

Good point. And, we could do it collaboratively as a series of email interviews; each participant could be matched up with another participant whom they then interview.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

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« Reply #433 on: November 18, 2012, 07:36:15 pm »
Yeah, I'm really starting to think we should do our own version with an explicit disclaimer as to why.

On one hand, I don't really want to give it that much legitimacy, but on the other hand, I'd rather distance Discordia from Loveshade than have to distance myself from Discordia because we didn't.



Yeah, that's kind of my thinking on the matter. Plus, our version will obviously be better since it won't be leaving out half of the more active discordians. And there's no reason we can't include some (or even most) of the people from Dingo's version.

Good point. And, we could do it collaboratively as a series of email interviews; each participant could be matched up with another participant whom they then interview.

I love that idea, particularly because it eliminates the possibility of someone falling into the trap of deciding THEY get to decide who does or doesn't represent Discordia. (cough cough Dingo cough cough).
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« Reply #434 on: November 18, 2012, 09:14:13 pm »
I just chatted with Dingo a bit. While I still feel very strongly that he's making a terrible error in judgment, I also think I'm being a little more of a dick than is necessary towards someone who, however misguided, is spending a fair amount of time and effort to do something for Discordia. So while I'm still very insistent that PD.com not be tied to his project in any way, and I still very much think that we should do our own collaborative version of this, I'm considering going to one of the east coast meetups and participating. My primary reasoning is that there will be people who read his finished work that won't ever come across ours and I'd rather be an advocate for my version of Discordia (in spite of my feelings about how the project is being put together) than have that voice left out of something that may shape peoples' view of what we're all about in the future.
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