Dragons was real, I seent it in a schoolbook

[stelz]

The difference between UK and US is nowhere more apparent than when you realise that there are whole states, in some cases the size of the UK themselves, where retardedness is defended, supported and taught to subsequent generations of retards. Hard to believe that this is not some isolated tribe of jungle dwelling natives, cut off from civilisation but is, in fact, the same nation who put a man on the moon

Uhhh...I don't think the morons who push this kind of shit ever worked at NASA.

No, NASA was merely populated with a number of Nazi war criminals, who had their records bleached so they could beat the Soviet Union in putting a man on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

I mean, hey, they only held ranks in the SS and made pervasive use of slave labour (which killed tens of thousands of people), but at least they probably didn't believe the Bible was the literal word of God, right?

NASA R00NT.

I think I just ran out of places to say morons like that didn't work in. 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Morons are everywhere....

[M. Nigel Salt]

The difference between UK and US is nowhere more apparent than when you realise that there are whole states, in some cases the size of the UK themselves, where retardedness is defended, supported and taught to subsequent generations of retards. Hard to believe that this is not some isolated tribe of jungle dwelling natives, cut off from civilisation but is, in fact, the same nation who put a man on the moon

Uhhh...I don't think the morons who push this kind of shit ever worked at NASA.

No, NASA was merely populated with a number of Nazi war criminals, who had their records bleached so they could beat the Soviet Union in putting a man on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

I mean, hey, they only held ranks in the SS and made pervasive use of slave labour (which killed tens of thousands of people), but at least they probably didn't believe the Bible was the literal word of God, right?

NASA R00NT.

I think I just ran out of places to say morons like that didn't work in. 

I wouldn't call them "morons".

[V3X]

The difference between UK and US is nowhere more apparent than when you realise that there are whole states, in some cases the size of the UK themselves, where retardedness is defended, supported and taught to subsequent generations of retards. Hard to believe that this is not some isolated tribe of jungle dwelling natives, cut off from civilisation but is, in fact, the same nation who put a man on the moon

Uhhh...I don't think the morons who push this kind of shit ever worked at NASA.

No, NASA was merely populated with a number of Nazi war criminals, who had their records bleached so they could beat the Soviet Union in putting a man on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

I mean, hey, they only held ranks in the SS and made pervasive use of slave labour (which killed tens of thousands of people), but at least they probably didn't believe the Bible was the literal word of God, right?

NASA R00NT.

I think I just ran out of places to say morons like that didn't work in. 

I wouldn't call them "morons".

Yeah.. you don't just stumble into furthering science through slavery and genocide unless you're Enrico Salazar, and so far as we know there has only ever been ONE of him.

[stelz]

The difference between UK and US is nowhere more apparent than when you realise that there are whole states, in some cases the size of the UK themselves, where retardedness is defended, supported and taught to subsequent generations of retards. Hard to believe that this is not some isolated tribe of jungle dwelling natives, cut off from civilisation but is, in fact, the same nation who put a man on the moon

Uhhh...I don't think the morons who push this kind of shit ever worked at NASA.

No, NASA was merely populated with a number of Nazi war criminals, who had their records bleached so they could beat the Soviet Union in putting a man on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

I mean, hey, they only held ranks in the SS and made pervasive use of slave labour (which killed tens of thousands of people), but at least they probably didn't believe the Bible was the literal word of God, right?

NASA R00NT.

I think I just ran out of places to say morons like that didn't work in. 

I wouldn't call them "morons".

Yeah.. you don't just stumble into furthering science through slavery and genocide unless you're Enrico Salazar, and so far as we know there has only ever been ONE of him.

I tend to operate on the assumption that evil is always stupid, even if the perps can do complex math equations.

[M. Nigel Salt]

The difference between UK and US is nowhere more apparent than when you realise that there are whole states, in some cases the size of the UK themselves, where retardedness is defended, supported and taught to subsequent generations of retards. Hard to believe that this is not some isolated tribe of jungle dwelling natives, cut off from civilisation but is, in fact, the same nation who put a man on the moon

Uhhh...I don't think the morons who push this kind of shit ever worked at NASA.

No, NASA was merely populated with a number of Nazi war criminals, who had their records bleached so they could beat the Soviet Union in putting a man on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

I mean, hey, they only held ranks in the SS and made pervasive use of slave labour (which killed tens of thousands of people), but at least they probably didn't believe the Bible was the literal word of God, right?

NASA R00NT.

I think I just ran out of places to say morons like that didn't work in. 

I wouldn't call them "morons".

Yeah.. you don't just stumble into furthering science through slavery and genocide unless you're Enrico Salazar, and so far as we know there has only ever been ONE of him.

I tend to operate on the assumption that evil is always stupid, even if the perps can do complex math equations.

Not only is evil not always stupid (it's usually not stupid) but evil is also not always consciously/intentionally evil. That's the worst thing about evil, really. Evil is not as different from you and me as we would be comfortable with evil being.

[stelz]

The difference between UK and US is nowhere more apparent than when you realise that there are whole states, in some cases the size of the UK themselves, where retardedness is defended, supported and taught to subsequent generations of retards. Hard to believe that this is not some isolated tribe of jungle dwelling natives, cut off from civilisation but is, in fact, the same nation who put a man on the moon

Uhhh...I don't think the morons who push this kind of shit ever worked at NASA.

No, NASA was merely populated with a number of Nazi war criminals, who had their records bleached so they could beat the Soviet Union in putting a man on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

I mean, hey, they only held ranks in the SS and made pervasive use of slave labour (which killed tens of thousands of people), but at least they probably didn't believe the Bible was the literal word of God, right?

NASA R00NT.

I think I just ran out of places to say morons like that didn't work in. 

I wouldn't call them "morons".

Yeah.. you don't just stumble into furthering science through slavery and genocide unless you're Enrico Salazar, and so far as we know there has only ever been ONE of him.

I tend to operate on the assumption that evil is always stupid, even if the perps can do complex math equations.

Not only is evil not always stupid (it's usually not stupid) but evil is also not always consciously/intentionally evil. That's the worst thing about evil, really. Evil is not as different from you and me as we would be comfortable with evil being.

Small evil, maybe. In a way, anything you do is going to be evil to somebody.
But larger scale? Like the way Hitler "fixed" the German economy?

[M. Nigel Salt]

The difference between UK and US is nowhere more apparent than when you realise that there are whole states, in some cases the size of the UK themselves, where retardedness is defended, supported and taught to subsequent generations of retards. Hard to believe that this is not some isolated tribe of jungle dwelling natives, cut off from civilisation but is, in fact, the same nation who put a man on the moon

Uhhh...I don't think the morons who push this kind of shit ever worked at NASA.

No, NASA was merely populated with a number of Nazi war criminals, who had their records bleached so they could beat the Soviet Union in putting a man on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

I mean, hey, they only held ranks in the SS and made pervasive use of slave labour (which killed tens of thousands of people), but at least they probably didn't believe the Bible was the literal word of God, right?

NASA R00NT.

I think I just ran out of places to say morons like that didn't work in. 

I wouldn't call them "morons".

Yeah.. you don't just stumble into furthering science through slavery and genocide unless you're Enrico Salazar, and so far as we know there has only ever been ONE of him.

I tend to operate on the assumption that evil is always stupid, even if the perps can do complex math equations.

Not only is evil not always stupid (it's usually not stupid) but evil is also not always consciously/intentionally evil. That's the worst thing about evil, really. Evil is not as different from you and me as we would be comfortable with evil being.

Small evil, maybe. In a way, anything you do is going to be evil to somebody.
But larger scale? Like the way Hitler "fixed" the German economy?

Any large evil is made up of a great many small evils, and the people who perpetrate those small evils are ordinary people, with ordinary excuses and rationales for why they must or should do what they're doing.

That's the truly horrifying thing about evil. It doesn't take extraordinary or terrible people. The greatest evils aren't perpetrated by evil people, they are perpetrated by people who are fueled with the fire of righteousness.

[Cain]

Almost everyone sees themselves as the hero of their own story, not the villains.

In the case of the Nazis, the "real" villains were the Jews and socialists, who stabbed the nation in the back on the eve of victory in WWI, allowing Germany to be torn apart, humiliated and reduced to a rump military power by enemy nations it still had soldiers in.  The Communists then launched an uprising and established an independent state in Bavaria.  The French invaded the Ruhr and drove Germany to the brink of economic ruin.  American and Jewish capitalists brought the world to the brink of destruction with the Great Depression.  France and Britain were nothing more than hypocritical and jealous status quo powers, denying Germany the empire and great power status it clearly deserved out of fear of German industry and German military expertise.

The Nazis thought they were going to end all that.  Smash the Communists and Socialists so they could never threaten German integrity again.  Expel the Jews, for the same reasons.  Apply the concept of national determination fairly, and unite all German speakers into a "Greater Germany".  Smash the military's of France and Britain, in order to establish a subcontinental empire in Eastern Europe.  Carry out the policy of autarky in order to be immune to American financial power.

If you accepted the stab-in-the-back myth, as many did, the above seemed not only sensible, but morally righteous.  Hell, many of these programs were popular even outside of Nazi circles.  Military expansion and suppression of the left were popular in moderate conservative circles.  Expulsion of Jews was very popular in the military.  And we all know how German industry profited from Nazi policies of autarky and a Greater Germany free trade zone, where previously several states had existed.

It's people who never accept they could actually be the villain or full of shit in the situation you have to watch out for.  Such people are dangerously self-righteous and uncritical...and as we've seen, wanting to be the good guy is not a really great indicator of good intentions or ideas in the long run.

[Freeky Queen of DERP]

All of that, especially the last paragraph, is so very true.l

[P3nT4gR4m]

Hitler was a twisted little psycho, fair enough, but it took a damn sight more than one twisted little psycho to make the holocaust happen. The holocaust was largely perpetrated by ordinary people like you and me, following orders, believing the propaganda, becoming desensitised to the atrocities, the same way an A&E nurse or an abattoir worker will become desensitised to blood and guts. The scary thing about the holocaust was that it was not the work of a hundred thousand evil germans.

[Freeky Queen of DERP]

Yeah, exactly. Normal folks doing vile acts.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yeah, exactly. Normal folks doing vile acts.

"Germans are decent people, who wouldn't hurt a fly unless someone in uniform told them to do it."
- Gary Bretcher

"Kill everyone older than 10."
- US General Al Smith, during the Phillipine-American war.

"It will be my sincere and constant desire to observe toward the Indian tribes within our limits a just and liberal policy, and to give that humane and considerate attention to their rights and their wants which is consistent with the habits of our Government and the feelings of our people."
- Andrew Jackson, inaugural address.

Fine words, considering:

After defeating the Creek Indians in 1814, General Andrew Jackson confiscated 23 million acres of the Creek nation, without approval of the U.S. government, and proceeded to sell it off cheaply to his fellow slave owners, saving a sizable portion for himself. Then he set his greedy eyes on the Spanish territory of Florida, home of the Seminole Indians.

Over several years many slaves had escaped bondage in Georgia and Alabama and ran off to live with the Seminoles in Florida. Descendants of those original runaways established a peaceful farming community around an abandoned Spanish fort deep inside the territory. Jackson took an army of Southern whites illegally into the territory, attacked the free black community, murdered 270 men, women and children and then took the rest back to Georgia and Alabama and gave them to any whites claiming to be descendants of the "owners" of the original runaways!

Jackson, a fanatical authoritarian who executed enemies without due process and regularly settled his personal disputes with deadly duels, was rewarded by the American people for his atrocities by being twice elected president. In this exalted position he set out to eliminate the Indians once and for all.

The great Cherokee nation of the Southeast had heeded the advice of the U.S. government to accept the ways of the whites if they wanted to retain sovereignty over their lands. They wrote a constitution, published newspapers, started schools and churches, and grew cotton. An irritated Jackson decided that Indians had no right to change their customs and ordered the eviction of the Cherokees. Rich white Southerners wanted to expand their profitable slave-based plantations and needed the Cherokee territory to do it.

The Cherokee nation appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court and in 1832 the Court ruled in favor of the Indians. But Jackson would not tolerate any challenge to his authority, even from the Supreme Court. He went ahead and ordered the eviction of all Indians from the Southeast. They were forcibly marched off to the Oklahoma territory in what became the infamous "Trail of Tears".

The march took place during a terrible winter. Cherokees were forced to leave all of their possessions behind. Hundreds drowned as they were sent across the Mississippi River in rotting boats. Thousands more died of starvation, disease and exposure. Aside from slavery, the Trail of Tears was the worst crime in American history and President Andrew Jackson deserves all the credit.

http://quixote-quest.org/resources/Feedback/fulton_impeachment.html

[stelz]

Yeah, exactly. Normal folks doing vile acts.

"Germans are decent people, who wouldn't hurt a fly unless someone in uniform told them to do it."
- Gary Bretcher

"Kill everyone older than 10."
- US General Al Smith, during the Phillipine-American war.

"It will be my sincere and constant desire to observe toward the Indian tribes within our limits a just and liberal policy, and to give that humane and considerate attention to their rights and their wants which is consistent with the habits of our Government and the feelings of our people."
- Andrew Jackson, inaugural address.

Fine words, considering:

After defeating the Creek Indians in 1814, General Andrew Jackson confiscated 23 million acres of the Creek nation, without approval of the U.S. government, and proceeded to sell it off cheaply to his fellow slave owners, saving a sizable portion for himself. Then he set his greedy eyes on the Spanish territory of Florida, home of the Seminole Indians.

Over several years many slaves had escaped bondage in Georgia and Alabama and ran off to live with the Seminoles in Florida. Descendants of those original runaways established a peaceful farming community around an abandoned Spanish fort deep inside the territory. Jackson took an army of Southern whites illegally into the territory, attacked the free black community, murdered 270 men, women and children and then took the rest back to Georgia and Alabama and gave them to any whites claiming to be descendants of the "owners" of the original runaways!

Jackson, a fanatical authoritarian who executed enemies without due process and regularly settled his personal disputes with deadly duels, was rewarded by the American people for his atrocities by being twice elected president. In this exalted position he set out to eliminate the Indians once and for all.

The great Cherokee nation of the Southeast had heeded the advice of the U.S. government to accept the ways of the whites if they wanted to retain sovereignty over their lands. They wrote a constitution, published newspapers, started schools and churches, and grew cotton. An irritated Jackson decided that Indians had no right to change their customs and ordered the eviction of the Cherokees. Rich white Southerners wanted to expand their profitable slave-based plantations and needed the Cherokee territory to do it.

The Cherokee nation appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court and in 1832 the Court ruled in favor of the Indians. But Jackson would not tolerate any challenge to his authority, even from the Supreme Court. He went ahead and ordered the eviction of all Indians from the Southeast. They were forcibly marched off to the Oklahoma territory in what became the infamous "Trail of Tears".

The march took place during a terrible winter. Cherokees were forced to leave all of their possessions behind. Hundreds drowned as they were sent across the Mississippi River in rotting boats. Thousands more died of starvation, disease and exposure. Aside from slavery, the Trail of Tears was the worst crime in American history and President Andrew Jackson deserves all the credit.

http://quixote-quest.org/resources/Feedback/fulton_impeachment.html

I think the Indians referred to Jackson as "Long Knives". He was a notorious POS.

Interesting bit of trivia, an early example of celebrity so-called "endorsement"...I found it when the picture below popped up on a google image search and I almost SHIT:

http://theyhadfaces-silentfilmblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/clara-bow-swastika-scandal-facts.html
After thorough research, I have concluded that this is a photo from her first and only real (OK half-real) vacation, a trip to Europe. She visited France, England, Italy, and Germany. She looked forward to it at first, but once she got there she hated it. She kept a diary during the trip and often complained about how she was constantly surrounded by publicity and B.P.'s goons who arranged her meetings with political leaders and so on. So when she went to Germany, B.P. (who was Jewish himself, and had no idea what the Nazi party stood for, only that they were well liked in Germany) arranged a meeting between Clara and Hitler. Hitler was so exited, but Clara, less so. She hated meeting important people, she felt stupid around them. Nonetheless, B.P. had her ware a swastika embroidered cloche and suit for good press. Hitler LOVED Clara (she was a world wide sex symbol, so the vast majority of men did) and gave her an autographed copy of his auto biography. She pretended she was happy all went well, that night she said of his book and him "madness, it's all madness."

[Freeky Queen of DERP]

Regarding Andrew Jackson, essentially "We will give your opinion all the consideration it merits."

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