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« on: August 21, 2012, 08:07:55 pm »
The following remarks have been rescinded (except for the XOXOXO part, which is genuine god dammit), but preserved in its original form for posterity, and as a reminder to me what happens when you go Full Ape and let your feelers get all twisted up.

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The best and most honest advice ever given to Discordians and their ilk is to "stick apart." This was true and necessary for a long time before the Internet, and the Internet has not changed the basic necessity of this maxim, though we did for a while stave it off with some impressive accomplishments and exploits. Ultimately, though, Internet Discordianism has the unfortunate and all-too-proven track record of being doomed either to perpetual pinealism and Dadaist bullshit, or to devolving into shit-throwing matches between increasingly hostile and decreasingly sane apes.

This is not a flounce, it's just letting you know that PD has lost its status in my opinion as a community to which it is worth my time to contribute real ideas. Any place where people can be openly declared subhuman, their opinions disregarded and insulted, and the attackers lauded and supported as somehow righteous or justified, is not a community of any real ethical merit.

That being the case, please do not use any content (text, audio, visual, or other) ever generated by me in any kind of publication, online or offline, for profit or not for profit, in whole or in part for any purpose whatsoever if it is connected even tenuously with anything ever produced, displayed, or talked about at PD. In the future, when PD gets a mind to make something of itself and starts wanting to print things or post things on telephone poles, or pull together previous works to compile new ones, please double-check attributions and make sure my name, real or moniker, does not appear there.

Thanks a super bunch,

v3x
XOXOXO





PS, Nigel: Fuck you too, in advance.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2012, 04:23:04 pm by v3x »
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Re: short notice
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2012, 08:19:05 pm »
Whelp, have a lovely time with all that flou- changing of opinion, Vex.

I look forward to your triumphant and inevitable return.

I'd argue about some of the stuff you've said, but what with your opinion on PD as a whole I guess there wouldn't be much point.

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2012, 08:20:27 pm »
See ya... I think I have a couple of your rants on my blog, and to be honest I can't be bothered taking them down.  I asked permission for each one at the time, and was granted.  I'm gonna consider that good enough.  If not, have your people call my people.

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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2012, 08:21:02 pm »
Look out v3x, your true colors are showing.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 08:23:59 pm »
AHM LEAVIN COS YOU TELLIN ME AH CAN'T DICTATE YER EXPERIENCES DEVALUES MAH EXPERIENCES  :argh!:
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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
― Assata Shaku

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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2012, 08:26:56 pm »
The best and most honest advice ever given to Discordians and their ilk is to "stick apart." This was true and necessary for a long time before the Internet, and the Internet has not changed the basic necessity of this maxim, though we did for a while stave it off with some impressive accomplishments and exploits. Ultimately, though, Internet Discordianism has the unfortunate and all-too-proven track record of being doomed either to perpetual pinealism and Dadaist bullshit, or to devolving into shit-throwing matches between increasingly hostile and decreasingly sane apes.

This is not a flounce, it's just letting you know that PD has lost its status in my opinion as a community to which it is worth my time to contribute real ideas. Any place where people can be openly declared subhuman, their opinions disregarded and insulted, and the attackers lauded and supported as somehow righteous or justified, is not a community of any real ethical merit.

That being the case, please do not use any content (text, audio, visual, or other) ever generated by me in any kind of publication, online or offline, for profit or not for profit, in whole or in part for any purpose whatsoever if it is connected even tenuously with anything ever produced, displayed, or talked about at PD. In the future, when PD gets a mind to make something of itself and starts wanting to print things or post things on telephone poles, or pull together previous works to compile new ones, please double-check attributions and make sure my name, real or moniker, does not appear there.

Thanks a super bunch,

v3x
XOXOXO





PS, Nigel: Fuck you too, in advance.
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2012, 08:35:58 pm »
Every thread becomes a war zone as soon as the initial hypothesis of the OP isn't supported.

It may be that having a thousand people say that in the course of every single fucking year is a sign that there might be some fucking truth to it. Or not, I guess maybe THE WHOLE WORLD IS CRAZY BUT NOT US, OH NO, SWEETNESS, WE GOT US A GOOD THING GOING HERE AND THE REST OF THEM JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.

PD can be a great place, when it isn't swarmed by this kind of horse shit. Problem is, it's swarmed by this kind of horse shit all the damn time.

Hey there, new guy!

I'm not sure what this means, coming from a person who registered a full four years after I did and has not, as far as I know, seen the ups and downs of this "community" for longer than the past couple of years. But I'm sure it means something valid, and I'd hate to belittle it by calling it out for being the complete bullshit that it is.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 08:46:47 pm »
Honestly, what you are complaining about is -I think- PD.com's best feature.  Every other place on the internet I have been is so restrictive as to what you can and cannot say, and while you seem to be implying that happens here too, it really doesn't.  Do people jump down your throat if they don't agree with you?  Yes.  And, they should.  This forum is about how freedom of speech actually works, rather than how people think it should work.  You say something, and people who don't like it will verbally attack you, it's your job to dance that word tango and state your case clearly, or maybe even listen to the other person and possibly learn something.  Does it suck when a large handful of people jump on you all at once?  Of course, it sucked when it happened to me last and will suck when it happens again, but dude, that's not a bad thing, you are being told by verbal votes that what you say is not jiving with them.  They do not owe you agreement, and you do not owe THEM agreement.

This is discourse.


PS:  Welcome back, that didn't take long.  "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 08:47:40 pm »
Vex, I'm not trying to be a dick when I say:

If PD has lowered in status in your opinion as a place where discussion can happen, why are you still here posting? From a very simple logical angle it doesn't make sense.

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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2012, 08:49:16 pm »
Well now that's just silly - especially since I don't think it was more than a handful of people condemning you. (Who knows, there's too many damn threads about the same thing).

I admit the amount of personal attacks going either way on a topic such as this is pretty disheartening, and certainly unnecessary. And when they keep up.

Taking your ball and going home just seems silly though.

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2012, 08:55:11 pm »
Gee, v3x, might it also be possible that you're just being wrong and need to adjust your thinking?
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2012, 08:56:52 pm »
It isn't about most people here, or that free speech gets messy. Its about the volume of these conflagrations and that they drown out and suffocate anything constructive or progressive that might be going on. It is also that this place us full of some of the brightest minds I know and I'm tired of watching those people devolve into monkeys at the first sign of resistance to the preconceved ideas. I include myself in that but that doesn't change the overall reality. As for why I am still here, it used to be because I assumed real work could get done in spite of the bullshit, but now its because its entertaining and its a good place to find shit to post on Facebook.
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2012, 08:58:10 pm »
Gee, v3x, might it also be possible that you're just being wrong and need to adjust your thinking?

Sorry, I lost you at "subhuman piece of shit."
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2012, 08:58:36 pm »
Ah ok, well.... have fun.
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2012, 09:21:04 pm »
It isn't about most people here, or that free speech gets messy. Its about the volume of these conflagrations and that they drown out and suffocate anything constructive or progressive that might be going on. It is also that this place us full of some of the brightest minds I know and I'm tired of watching those people devolve into monkeys at the first sign of resistance to the preconceved ideas. I include myself in that but that doesn't change the overall reality. As for why I am still here, it used to be because I assumed real work could get done in spite of the bullshit, but now its because its entertaining and its a good place to find shit to post on Facebook.

It certainly seems to be getting worse as time goes on. There's always been a certain capacity for threads devolving into histrionic shitfests but that's always been balanced by intelligent shit, be it thought provoking or just plain smart-funny.

Increasingly that ratio seems to be swinging in the shitfest direction. Maybe this place has nothing interesting left to say. It's kind of a shame, I guess but, who knows, maybe it'll swing back.
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