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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2012, 10:13:18 pm »
No. The Golden Dawn used to be way more prominent and were on the level of Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism.
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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2012, 10:14:11 pm »
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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2012, 09:24:08 pm »
No. The Golden Dawn used to be way more prominent and were on the level of Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism.

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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #63 on: January 17, 2013, 01:05:08 pm »
From a month ago, (I've had sporadic access to my feeds)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/17/syriza-attack-on-mp

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Greek politicians have denounced an attack on a prominent leftist MP amid mounting fears of growing extremist violence in the country.

With the main opposition group, Syriza, going so far as to describe the assault on its deputy Dimitris Stratoulis as a "brutal assassination attempt", Athens' tripartite governing coalition moved swiftly to condemn the incident. "Any kind of attack and threat is unacceptable in our democracy," the government spokesman, Simos Kedikoglou, said. "Violence has no place in our culture."

Stratoulis was set upon by three men in their 30s as he attended a football match with his son at the Olympic stadium in Athens on Sunday night. Recognising him during the half-time break, the assailants are reported to have said "now we are going to kill you" before claiming they were members of the far-right group Golden Dawn and kicking and punching the politician in the head.

Golden Dawn vehemently denied it was behind the assault and launched legal action against Stratoulis for referring to the organisation as a "gang of criminals". The ultra-nationalists, who have become Greece's fastest-growing party on the back of anti-austerity sentiment, have decried "the left-wing politicians who foment violence".


"[They] should stop using the name of Golden Dawn," the party said in a statement.

With social tensions spiralling amid record levels of unemployment and poverty, the incident has highlighted concern over the growing friction between left and right as the debt-stricken nation navigates its worst crisis in modern times.

Golden Dawn, whose party logo has been compared to the swastika and whose rhetoric is unabashedly xenophobic, has been linked to a dramatic rise in racist attacks across Greece. Clashes between the extremists and anti-establishment leftists have also proliferated with commentators raising the alarm over a potential civil war.

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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2013, 11:50:03 am »
And for those who doubted the Golden Dawn's Nazi credentials:

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German and Greek rightwing extremists have been forging close contacts in Germany in an attempt to strengthen their power base in Europe, according to German officials.

Members of the Greek neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn are believed to have set up a cell in the southern German city of Nuremberg with the aim of recruiting young Greeks who have flocked to the country in search of work.

Greek community leaders in Germany have condemned the arrival of the party, also known as Chrysi Avgi, and called on authorities to clamp down on a group that they said had shown its readiness to use violence in Greece and could attempt to do the same in Germany.

Golden Dawn, which has close to 20 seats in the Greek parliament, has described the move on its website as the "answer of expat Greeks to the dirty hippies and the regime of democratic dictatorship in our homeland".

There are all kinds of delicious ironies in this, not to mention it was utterly predictable.

Will this cause Germany to rethink it's policy towards Greece?  Don't count on it.  If anything, they'll probably double down on them.

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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #65 on: February 17, 2013, 02:01:35 pm »
So kabalistic neo-nazis are taking over Greece, or this is another golden dawn?  :?

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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #66 on: February 17, 2013, 02:03:46 pm »
This is indeed another Golden Dawn.

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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2013, 09:42:21 am »
Just seen this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21489779
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"No-one doubts any longer that northern Greece is a source of mineral wealth, with a total wealth in metals exceeding 20bn euros (£17bn)," Deputy Energy and Environment Minister Asimakis Papageorgiou said in a recent parliamentary debate on mining operations in Halkidiki.

"We can no longer accept this being left unexploited or barely exploited."

Cain, would this have anything to do with Germany/EU putting the thumbscrews on?
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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2013, 09:49:11 am »
Possibly, I have no idea of the full extent of Greek mineral worth.  Driving down the costs of extraction may be a nice bonus, though it's worth noting that Greece's largest imports come via Germany, normally bought with German loans.  The weaker Greece becomes financially, the more dependent it is on Germany, and that opens all kind of possibilities.

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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #69 on: March 10, 2013, 10:24:22 am »
Charming:

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On a recent Thursday night, seven teenage boys in the central Greek city of Larissa decided to have what they described as “fun”. Armed with rocks and wooden batons, the group of 15-year-olds attacked the shop of a Pakistani resident. His son was treated for head injuries.

Attacks by children are rare, but there are fears that they are on the rise as a harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric with undercurrents of violence takes root in the malleable minds of patriotic youths as they watch their country’s sovereignty being eroded by foreign creditors.

The potential to tap into this dissatisfaction and win over Greece’s future voters has not been lost on the controversial Golden Dawn party: an investigation by The Independent found the neo-fascist party gaining ground among the country’s youth, aggressively spreading their anti-immigrant, far-right message through social media, the internet, and youth clubs.

The vigilante, truculent and anti-establishment features of Golden Dawn offer a seductive alternative to the radical left or anarchist movements that have traditionally appealed to Greece’s teenagers. Over 50 teachers, parents and teenage students from schools across Athens interviewed by The Independent agree that the party is slowly becoming fashionable, when three years ago it was barely known.

“It’s the feature of vitality: a need to show they’re strong, young and fresh and are creating something new: be it a new party, a new country,” explains Vassiliki Georgiadou, professor at Panteion University and an expert of far-Right wing radicalism who has studied Golden Dawn for years. “They discard the label of Nazism and instead play up the nationalist card. They use ancient Greek history as a camouflage to hide their true identity: that they’re fans of Hitler, anti-Semitism.”

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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2013, 01:02:35 pm »
Sappho Xenakis, via OpenDemocracy:

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Perhaps the most challenging domestic security issue facing Greece today is the presence and emboldening of violent far-right militias and gangs. Incidents of far-right violence in Greece saw a steady ascent in the 2000s, overwhelmingly targeting immigrants but also leftists and anarchists. By 2009, far-right platoons of thirty to forty men dressed in black and armed with sticks had established a regular presence patrolling immigrant-dense neighbourhoods of Athens, unchallenged by the police, intimidating local shopkeepers and residents and engaging in violent assaults against immigrants and their property. Other attacks on immigrants and their property (from the fire-bombings of places of residence and worship to beatings and stabbings), and violent assaults against leftists and anarchists, have been carried out by smaller groups of vigilantes, who are often also reportedly black-clad.

Since 2009, Greece has seen what NGOs have characterised as the steepest ascent in racist violence in Europe. Within only the first six months of 2011, NGOs in Athens claimed to have treated at least 500 victims of racist attacks, and over 200 racist attacks were additionally recorded between October 2011 and December 2012 by a network of NGOs headed by the UNHCR. In late 2012, the UNHCR characterised the level of racist violence as ‘alarming’, whilst the US Embassy in Athens went so far as to warn US citizens residing in or travelling to Greece of a heightened risk of attack for those whose complexion might lead them to be perceived as foreign migrants.

Behind the platoons and the smaller groups carrying out far-right attacks is alleged to be the political party Chrysi Avyi (‘Golden Dawn’), an extreme nationalist movement that entered parliament for the first time in 2012, with 6.9 percent of the vote and eighteen MPs. The party, whose members dress in black, uses language and imagery redolent of Nazism, and is openly sceptical about parliamentary democracy, as well as being vocally racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, and virulently opposed to those on the left of the political spectrum.

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Whether in terms of organised far-right violence as such, or racist violence in particular, the Greek state has long failed to monitor, record, prosecute, effectively punish perpetrators and appropriately compensate victims. For a full thirty years, for example, not a single published legal judgment applied Law 972/1979, which provides for ‘the punishment of acts or conducts aimed at racial discrimination’ (the first known application of the law in criminal courts took place in 2010). It was only following sustained pressure by NGOs and the media over the course of 2012, resulting in international publicity spotlighting far-right violence, that the Greek state finally announced in January 2013 the appointment of a special prosecutor to address racist crimes and the establishment of police units to monitor racist violence.

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Despite the established presence of violent far-right groups repeatedly associated with brutal attacks on Greeks and foreigners in the country, the Greek state does not acknowledge the existence of violent far-right organisations in its monitoring of political violence. Unlike many of its European counterparts, for example, Greece has not notified EUROPOL of attacks by extremist far-right groups on its territory.

I have, of course, long maintained that the Golden Dawn are getting tacit state support, the idea being that the violence of their black-clad shocktroopers will bolster the state against the left - both the organised political left of the likes of Syzria, and the more disorganised anarchist groups.  However, this suggests the relationships is more than one born of current circumstances, and is indeed structural in the Greek state - no doubt arising from the rule of the Colonels, though possibly dating back to the Greek Civil War and the Hellenic Raiding Group.

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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #71 on: June 02, 2013, 01:38:36 pm »
The state of play in Greece, continued:

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As parliament prepares to debate how best to apply legislation that will curb the party, – measures that have unexpectedly electrified the political scene – the far right is flourishing in the knowledge that, in a country reeling from the twin ills of austerity and despair, it is they who are in the ascendant. Since elections last year, Golden Dawn's appeal has almost doubled, with successive polls showing support of between 11% and 12% for the neo-fascists. Privately pollsters acknowledge that, as Greece's third-strongest and fastest-growing political force, the group could garner as much as 15% of support in local elections next year.

"It is wrong to believe that they are an ephemeral phenomenon," said Professor Dimitris Kerides, who teaches political science at Athens' Panteion University. "They are not only a product of this country's economic crisis. There is something sick in Greek society that Golden Dawn expresses," he added, referring to the rise in "Greek-only" blood banks and food rallies organised by the extremists. "They are here to stay. And as of 2014 they are going to be everywhere, with access to state resources because, for sure, they will win seats in municipal elections and, in some towns, place mayors."

Emboldened by success, the neo-Nazis have become ever more visible. Across Greece, party branches have been opened at a record pace, with pupils actively recruited in schools. In villages, black-clad supporters proudly sporting the party's insignia have proliferated, and in the southern Peloponnese, traditionally a stronghold of the right, Golden Dawn graffiti are scrawled over the roads and even rocks that dot the landscape of seaside resorts and archaeological sites.

Racially motivated violence has soared to such a degree that European officials blasted Greece for failing to take adequate action. Nils Muižnieks, the European commissioner for human rights, recently felt moved to point out that democracy was at risk in the birthplace of democracy because of "the upsurge in hate crime and a weak state response". It was vital, he said, that domestic and international anti-racism laws were enforced to crack down on violence that had been "linked to members or supporters, including parliamentarians, of the neo-Nazi political party Golden Dawn".

The Greek police and justice systems – both of which have been accused of colluding with the extremists – also had to be reformed, he said.

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The lack of public debate has added to the mystique of an organisation whose workings remain opaque. The local media appears to have missed the story of Golden Dawn. To this day, the party's financial backers and advisers remain shrouded in secrecy.

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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #72 on: June 02, 2013, 03:23:07 pm »
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To this day, the party's financial backers and advisers remain shrouded in secrecy.

Cain, that bit in particular does interest me. Would you be expecting to see well known names if/when the reveal comes? Can I tempt speculation? I'm pretty sure that whatever names are involved will be crackpot conspiracy gold. It's a good rule of thumb that "secret backers" stinks, just trying wondering how bad it's likely to be I guess.
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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #73 on: June 02, 2013, 03:24:03 pm »
Of course golden dawn is being subsidised heavily from somewhere, they were for a long time just a group of ridiculous socially outcast thugs, here's some funny pics:

an mp (then) candidate with another member:




if one says 'surely that's not a nazi salute, maybe they're just waiving to the boats', here's a photo with their führer wannabe, michaloliakos in the front:



if another little nazi fucker comes around and says "but they say that's 'apollo's salute' nothing to do with hitler, then heres one from their offices in the late 80s/early 90s:




Needless to say that these thugs are so incredibly stupid, I doubt they have any connection with occult groups in any way - i'm convinced that most of them, including the mps have never read a book in their life and are known from not being able to properly spell greek (ha, ha. how ironic :/

Of course history has shown that one should not underestimate nazis, and it is the case in greece now that most people look around to their aquaintances and wonder "who's the nazi amongst them? 10% means every ten people in the street, one of them should be a nazi. WTF"

I really don't understand how this is happening. Our grandmothers still remember being terrorized by nazi soldiers. Yet our grandmothers are the ones that vote for these idiots the most. WHAT THE FUCK???  :aaa: :aaa: :aaa: :aaa: :aaa:(probably i should mention here that i was born, raised and lived more than half my life (so far) in greece.)
of course, it's rooted in the crisis. When it hit in 2010, GD was slowly and quietly gaining power, helped by the unemployment going extreme and since xenophobia is not uncommon in greece :( but then before the last elections they got huge publicity from the media (in the beginning in the "look at these idiots here! omfg what idiots! no don't look at the two main parties and how they're selling out, bending down, mouth lock in imf and eu asses and hold on tight.
And then gd started giving out baskets with food and teddybears to greeks and escorting little old ladies on their way to get their pension so that "no immigrant scum will attack you". And they were gaining so support.
I voted for the first and last time in my life on those elections, just so that they don't get such a big percent. 6%. SIX FUCKING PERCENT  :eek:  :eek:  :eek:
BAHH, this is so disturbing to me, I can't even finish this post properly.


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Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
« Reply #74 on: June 02, 2013, 03:30:12 pm »
Talk about pictures being worth 1000 words.

Incidentally, is there a list somewhere of "It's not a Nazi salute it was X"?
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