Oh, Israel...

[Pixie]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-new-israeli-apartheid-poll-reveals-widespread-jewish-support-for-policy-of-discrimination-against-arab-minority-8223548.html

Wow.

[Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW]

Because nothing solves problems like digging in your heels and screeching 

[Cain]

Country founded on legitimating ideology of ethno-religious shared identity caught in oppressing others of different ethno-religious identity shocker!

[LMNO, PhD (life continues)]

You stay classy, Israel.

[Mangrove]

So the US bends over backwards to prove that its Israel's best friend in the whole world while, at the same time, never fails to howl about how shamefully Islamic countries treat their women.

I'm going to give it a  out of 5.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So the US bends over backwards to prove that its Israel's best friend in the whole world while, at the same time, never fails to howl about how shamefully Islamic countries treat their women.

I'm going to give it a  out of 5.

Israel isn't our friend.  It's more like an abusive spouse.  Demands everything, gives NOTHING.

[M. Nigel Salt]

I despise Israel and our support of it. It's shameful and was shameful from inception. Of course, everything the West has done in Africa and the Middle East for centuries has been shameful.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I despise Israel and our support of it. It's shameful and was shameful from inception. Of course, everything the West has done in Africa and the Middle East for centuries has been shameful.

And Asia.  Mark Twain had something to say about the vile behavior of our "Missionaries" during the Boxer Rebellion in China.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/To_the_Person_Sitting_in_Darkness

Happy nightmares.

(Note:  The Empress Dowager was a fucking GIANT)

[M. Nigel Salt]

I despise Israel and our support of it. It's shameful and was shameful from inception. Of course, everything the West has done in Africa and the Middle East for centuries has been shameful.

And Asia.  Mark Twain had something to say about the vile behavior of our "Missionaries" during the Boxer Rebellion in China.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/To_the_Person_Sitting_in_Darkness

Happy nightmares.

(Note:  The Empress Dowager was a fucking GIANT)

Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I despise Israel and our support of it. It's shameful and was shameful from inception. Of course, everything the West has done in Africa and the Middle East for centuries has been shameful.

And Asia.  Mark Twain had something to say about the vile behavior of our "Missionaries" during the Boxer Rebellion in China.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/To_the_Person_Sitting_in_Darkness

Happy nightmares.

(Note:  The Empress Dowager was a fucking GIANT)

Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

There is no spot on Earth that we haven't marched across, on a road of bones that we painstakingly manufactured.

[Cain]

Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

I don't think it's anything most other nations wouldn't have done, at the same time.  If China's 12th century industrial revolution had taken off, we'd be sitting around today complaining about how fucked in the head Mongols were.  And so on and so forth.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I don't think it's anything most other nations wouldn't have done, at the same time. 

Twain's essay (above) goes into that in great detail.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

I don't think it's anything most other nations wouldn't have done, at the same time.  If China's 12th century industrial revolution had taken off, we'd be sitting around today complaining about how fucked in the head Mongols were.  And so on and so forth.

This! Raping neighbouring nations is how it works. This might be counter to what morality tells us but morality never built any empires.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

I don't think it's anything most other nations wouldn't have done, at the same time.  If China's 12th century industrial revolution had taken off, we'd be sitting around today complaining about how fucked in the head Mongols were.  And so on and so forth.

This! Raping neighbouring nations is how it works. This might be counter to what morality tells us but morality never built any empires.

Balls.  WE do it for YOUR own good.  Just ask anyone in the Phillipines, for example.

"Kill everyone over the age of 10."
- General Al Smith

[M. Nigel Salt]

Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

I don't think it's anything most other nations wouldn't have done, at the same time.  If China's 12th century industrial revolution had taken off, we'd be sitting around today complaining about how fucked in the head Mongols were.  And so on and so forth.

I don't know... I've wondered about it, but I really just have no idea what to make of it. Of course, I haven't read Jared Diamond yet, so who knows, maybe he does a perfectly good job of explaining it.