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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2012, 02:13:14 pm »
Because nothing solves problems like digging in your heels and screeching  :horrormirth:
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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2012, 02:14:59 pm »
Country founded on legitimating ideology of ethno-religious shared identity caught in oppressing others of different ethno-religious identity shocker!
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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 02:27:50 pm »
You stay classy, Israel.
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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2012, 02:59:13 pm »
So the US bends over backwards to prove that its Israel's best friend in the whole world while, at the same time, never fails to howl about how shamefully Islamic countries treat their women.

I'm going to give it a  :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: out of 5.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2012, 03:25:56 pm »
So the US bends over backwards to prove that its Israel's best friend in the whole world while, at the same time, never fails to howl about how shamefully Islamic countries treat their women.

I'm going to give it a  :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: out of 5.

Israel isn't our friend.  It's more like an abusive spouse.  Demands everything, gives NOTHING.
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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2012, 03:26:54 pm »
I despise Israel and our support of it. It's shameful and was shameful from inception. Of course, everything the West has done in Africa and the Middle East for centuries has been shameful.
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2012, 03:49:19 pm »
I despise Israel and our support of it. It's shameful and was shameful from inception. Of course, everything the West has done in Africa and the Middle East for centuries has been shameful.

And Asia.  Mark Twain had something to say about the vile behavior of our "Missionaries" during the Boxer Rebellion in China.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/To_the_Person_Sitting_in_Darkness

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2012, 04:28:51 pm »
I despise Israel and our support of it. It's shameful and was shameful from inception. Of course, everything the West has done in Africa and the Middle East for centuries has been shameful.

And Asia.  Mark Twain had something to say about the vile behavior of our "Missionaries" during the Boxer Rebellion in China.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/To_the_Person_Sitting_in_Darkness

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Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2012, 04:31:36 pm »
I despise Israel and our support of it. It's shameful and was shameful from inception. Of course, everything the West has done in Africa and the Middle East for centuries has been shameful.

And Asia.  Mark Twain had something to say about the vile behavior of our "Missionaries" during the Boxer Rebellion in China.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/To_the_Person_Sitting_in_Darkness

Happy nightmares.

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Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2012, 04:34:18 pm »
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Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

I don't think it's anything most other nations wouldn't have done, at the same time.  If China's 12th century industrial revolution had taken off, we'd be sitting around today complaining about how fucked in the head Mongols were.  And so on and so forth.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2012, 04:40:19 pm »

I don't think it's anything most other nations wouldn't have done, at the same time. 

Twain's essay (above) goes into that in great detail.
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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2012, 05:10:27 pm »
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Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

I don't think it's anything most other nations wouldn't have done, at the same time.  If China's 12th century industrial revolution had taken off, we'd be sitting around today complaining about how fucked in the head Mongols were.  And so on and so forth.

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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2012, 05:13:22 pm »
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Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

I don't think it's anything most other nations wouldn't have done, at the same time.  If China's 12th century industrial revolution had taken off, we'd be sitting around today complaining about how fucked in the head Mongols were.  And so on and so forth.

This! Raping neighbouring nations is how it works. This might be counter to what morality tells us but morality never built any empires.

Balls.  WE do it for YOUR own good.  Just ask anyone in the Phillipines, for example.

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Re: Oh, Israel...
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2012, 09:08:09 pm »
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Yeah, actually, come to think of it, everything the West has done everywhere has been pretty fucking nightmarishly awful. I think maybe Christianity is defective.

I don't think it's anything most other nations wouldn't have done, at the same time.  If China's 12th century industrial revolution had taken off, we'd be sitting around today complaining about how fucked in the head Mongols were.  And so on and so forth.

I don't know... I've wondered about it, but I really just have no idea what to make of it. Of course, I haven't read Jared Diamond yet, so who knows, maybe he does a perfectly good job of explaining it.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
― Assata Shaku