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If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« on: November 02, 2012, 02:07:42 pm »
....I can get behind such a program.  But I believe there are far worthier candiates for such an award than Christopher fucking Hitchens.

I'm sure such a statue will inspire future generations to their own heroic achievements, "kids, you too can waste an elite education on demanding never-ending conflict and belittling your opponents, dying a bitter and lonely drunk who has driven most of his friends away".
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
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Re: If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2012, 02:26:33 pm »
....I can get behind such a program.  But I believe there are far worthier candiates for such an award than Christopher fucking Hitchens.

I'm sure such a statue will inspire future generations to their own heroic achievements, "kids, you too can waste an elite education on demanding never-ending conflict and belittling your opponents, dying a bitter and lonely drunk who has driven most of his friends away".

If you replace the word 'drunk' with the word 'addict', you've also made a pithy summary of Aleister Crowley.....someone else who doesn't need a statue either!
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Re: If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2012, 02:29:52 pm »
BUT ALEISTER CROWLEY WAS AN INFLUENTIAL ATHEIST WHO INSPIRED MILLIONS!

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheist_authors

I mean, how come Hitchens gets to jump ahead?  Camus died first, and was a far more distinguished writer and philosophical atheist than Hitchens ever was.  Shit, let's build a giant statue to Iain Banks, at least his writing didn't apologise for real-life mass murder.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
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Re: If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2012, 02:46:01 pm »
BUT ALEISTER CROWLEY WAS AN INFLUENTIAL ATHEIST WHO INSPIRED MILLIONS!

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheist_authors

I mean, how come Hitchens gets to jump ahead?  Camus died first, and was a far more distinguished writer and philosophical atheist than Hitchens ever was.  Shit, let's build a giant statue to Iain Banks, at least his writing didn't apologise for real-life mass murder.

There's something wonderfully perverse about venerating atheists. We should get behind this statue project! In fact, what would be better would be an enormous building filled with images of famous atheists. Obviously, this is an overwhelming experience for many, so we should leave some benches in there, in case people want to sit down. As a convenience, the backs of these benches should have pockets in which the literature of famous atheists could be stored.

I'm going to build a statue to atheists with a plaque that reads "CONGRATULATIONS! YOU MADE A PERSONAL DECISION ABOUT AN UNPROVABLE PREMISE!"

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Re: If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2012, 04:02:42 pm »
BUT ALEISTER CROWLEY WAS AN INFLUENTIAL ATHEIST WHO INSPIRED MILLIONS!

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheist_authors

I mean, how come Hitchens gets to jump ahead?  Camus died first, and was a far more distinguished writer and philosophical atheist than Hitchens ever was.  Shit, let's build a giant statue to Iain Banks, at least his writing didn't apologise for real-life mass murder.

There's something wonderfully perverse about venerating atheists. We should get behind this statue project! In fact, what would be better would be an enormous building filled with images of famous atheists. Obviously, this is an overwhelming experience for many, so we should leave some benches in there, in case people want to sit down. As a convenience, the backs of these benches should have pockets in which the literature of famous atheists could be stored.

I'm going to build a statue to atheists with a plaque that reads "CONGRATULATIONS! YOU MADE A PERSONAL DECISION ABOUT AN UNPROVABLE PREMISE!"

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Re: If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2012, 04:29:57 pm »
Ok, so there's a link on the page which discusses counter arguments to the statue:

http://www.atheist-reference.org/arguments-against-this/

One of the posters included this:

Christopher neither knows nor cares right now, by his own assertions he no longer can. Really, this isn’t for Christopher. It’s for us. It’s for the people who loved him despite never having met him, the people whose lives he changed (such as mine), the people who he inspired, and the people who are yet to even be born who might well have better lives living in a better world because of things he wrote and said that had great influence.

We, his many adoring fans want this for us, because we want to know the statue is there and that we can visit it. We want to pay our respects to him in that way, and something I feel Christopher would agree to is that if that’s what we want, then we have a right to try for it!


Read the above passage again and wherever you see the word 'Christopher' replace it with 'Jesus'.  :fnord:
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Re: If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2012, 05:01:53 pm »
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Re: If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2012, 05:10:44 pm »
In the absense of religion people will turn dead people into gods.

I can get behind this, if only because it means I can finally achieve the godhood I so deserve.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2012, 05:35:24 pm »
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Re: If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2012, 05:55:55 pm »
I dunno. I'd like to see a Crowley statue in Seguin. Just to piss people off.  :fap:
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Re: If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2012, 09:42:26 pm »
I dunno. I'd like to see a Crowley statue in Seguin. Just to piss people off.  :fap:

Pissing people off and FAP....it's the perfect tribute to the old man... :lulz:
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Re: If you want to build statues celebrating annoying people...
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2012, 09:49:39 pm »
In the absense of religion people will turn dead people into gods.

I can get behind this, if only because it means I can finally achieve the godhood I so deserve.

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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2012, 03:27:21 pm »
I will say, in defense of Hitchens, that he is better than the people responsible for this trainwreck of an article.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 03:37:21 pm »
Although distinctions have been drawn between anti-Semitism as a racialist phenomenon and anti-Judaism (certainly Hitchens relies upon them), in reality it is difficult if not impossible to divorce these two hatreds. It is my contention that Judaism and Semitism are two sides of the same coin. To postulate what I am saying in a positive fashion, I would state that for all practical purposes Semitism is the vehicle of monotheism throughout history and constitutes a proof of Providence-–evidence for God, so to speak. This was achieved because the Jews as a people were receptive to the very words of God Himself, and that they transmitted them to humanity. It was by this mechanism (revelation) that human civilization evolved from paganism and naturalism to monotheism and morality. As I shall strive to prove in what follows, it is my contention that Hitchens’ anti-theism cannot be divorced from his virulent anti-Judaism. Indeed, the latter invariably leads to the former.

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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2012, 04:46:26 pm »
I will say, in defense of Hitchens, that he is better than the people responsible for this trainwreck of an article.

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