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Re: On behalf of aspies
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2012, 07:21:38 pm »
I guess I was trying to say that we've adopted the word "aspie" more as shorthand for "socially inept asshole hiding behind self-diagnosis", more or less divorcing it from "functionally autistic", and it's pretty clear we wouldn't mock an actual Asperger's diagnosis purely out-of-hand, so we probably don't have to scourge ourselves for using it.

But then I realized I was actively looking for something to argue about, and generally avoiding the point of the OP.  Which would pretty much put me into the catagory of people I'm criticizing.  Which made me chuckle and shake my head.


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I'd giggle a bit, but this is the FIRST thread of this type where I didn't argue right off the bat.

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Re: On behalf of aspies
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2012, 07:28:07 pm »
 
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Re: On behalf of aspies
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2012, 08:27:28 pm »
would ass-pie be ok?
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2012, 09:37:26 pm »
You know, I'm not personally comfortable with either assburger or ass-pie as insults, because it kind of reminds of things like "ghey". Seems a lot like rationalizing by saying "But see, I didn't MEAN Asperger/aspie/gay, it's a completely different thing. If you took offense, that's your problem." I dunno.

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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2012, 09:51:48 pm »
You know, I'm not personally comfortable with either assburger or ass-pie as insults, because it kind of reminds of things like "ghey". Seems a lot like rationalizing by saying "But see, I didn't MEAN Asperger/aspie/gay, it's a completely different thing. If you took offense, that's your problem." I dunno.

How about "Rogerites"?  Because they are my people.
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Re: On behalf of aspies
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2012, 09:52:54 pm »
Sounds fair enough. I don't know shit about proper medical assburgers but I'm guessing someone who has it might turn up here one day and take the hump cos we're calling random assholes Captain Aspie and the like.

At the same time, I'm aware that this whole PC trip has the potential to spiral into dumbfuck central like it has in the real world. I'm comfortable with the fact that a lot of things I say are likely to offend oversensitive fuckheads. That's not the intention but I do consider it a fringe benefit.
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2012, 09:54:14 pm »
At the same time, I'm aware that this whole PC trip has the potential to spiral into dumbfuck central like it has in the real world.

I was thinking that was a possibility myself, but I'm up for ANY PROGRAM.

Because if I have the choice between sounding like a teabagger and sounding oversensitive, I'll err on the side of oversensitive.

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2012, 10:01:59 pm »
At the same time, I'm aware that this whole PC trip has the potential to spiral into dumbfuck central like it has in the real world.

I was thinking that was a possibility myself, but I'm up for ANY PROGRAM.

Because if I have the choice between sounding like a teabagger and sounding oversensitive, I'll err on the side of oversensitive.

Like I said, this thread seems fair enough but I'm also aware that it could open the floodgates to a whole plethora of PC bullshit. Personally I'd rather it didn't.
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2012, 10:13:44 pm »
At the same time, I'm aware that this whole PC trip has the potential to spiral into dumbfuck central like it has in the real world.

I was thinking that was a possibility myself, but I'm up for ANY PROGRAM.

Because if I have the choice between sounding like a teabagger and sounding oversensitive, I'll err on the side of oversensitive.

Like I said, this thread seems fair enough but I'm also aware that it could open the floodgates to a whole plethora of PC bullshit. Personally I'd rather it didn't.

Well, I'm gonna find out.  We're doing SCIENCE and shit.
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2012, 10:48:36 pm »
You know, I'm not personally comfortable with either assburger or ass-pie as insults, because it kind of reminds of things like "ghey". Seems a lot like rationalizing by saying "But see, I didn't MEAN Asperger/aspie/gay, it's a completely different thing. If you took offense, that's your problem." I dunno.

How about "Rogerites"?  Because they are my people.
Rogerites?  :lulz:

That I can get behind.

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2012, 10:52:34 pm »
Sorry, Pent. :lol:

IMO, making an effort to be 'PC' is making an effort not to be a bully, because making racist/homophobic/abelist/etc. jokes or using them as insults is bullying-type behavior. Not only is it a lazy source of humor, it's not actually insulting the asshole who is on the receiving end of the insult, it's insulting a perfectly innocent group of people (who don't actually need to be reminded that they are second class, Other, and undesirable members of society).


You know, I'm not personally comfortable with either assburger or ass-pie as insults, because it kind of reminds of things like "ghey". Seems a lot like rationalizing by saying "But see, I didn't MEAN Asperger/aspie/gay, it's a completely different thing. If you took offense, that's your problem." I dunno.

How about "Rogerites"?  Because they are my people.
Rogerites?  :lulz:

That I can get behind.
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Re: On behalf of aspies
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2012, 11:11:34 pm »
Sorry, Pent. :lol:

IMO, making an effort to be 'PC' is making an effort not to be a bully, because making racist/homophobic/abelist/etc. jokes or using them as insults is bullying-type behavior. Not only is it a lazy source of humor, it's not actually insulting the asshole who is on the receiving end of the insult, it's insulting a perfectly innocent group of people (who don't actually need to be reminded that they are second class, Other, and undesirable members of society).



Please don't think I disagree with the original idea. It was a perfectly good one but, like most perfectly good ideas, human beings implemented it and turned it into a retarded parody of newspeak. Actually, now that I think about it, even the original idea was a bit fucking dumb - changing the words doesn't change the hate. It was only ever destined to be as effective as burying your head in the sand and praying for unicorns :lulz:
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2012, 11:26:30 pm »
So, it's settled:  Rogerites.

I'm not giving up "retards", though.

Not because I'm stubborn, but because:

1.  I've explained the meaning I use, and the alternate language I use for people with actual brain damage, and

2.  It's the perfect word for the type of person I'm talking about.
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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2012, 11:39:22 pm »
So, it's settled:  Rogerites.

I'm not giving up "retards", though.

Not because I'm stubborn, but because:

1.  I've explained the meaning I use, and the alternate language I use for people with actual brain damage, and

2.  It's the perfect word for the type of person I'm talking about.

"Retard" also is a word that already has multiple meanings, and is not specific to people with mental retardation.

As an aside, the standard in psychology is still to call it "mental retardation", which is taking a little getting used to.
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2012, 11:42:41 pm »
At the same time, I'm aware that this whole PC trip has the potential to spiral into dumbfuck central like it has in the real world.

I was thinking that was a possibility myself, but I'm up for ANY PROGRAM.

Because if I have the choice between sounding like a teabagger and sounding oversensitive, I'll err on the side of oversensitive.

This. And also, for the most part, I've observed that the heart of the anti-PC thing is "OOK OOK, I DON'T WANNA CHANGE BECAUSE LEARNING NEW THINGS IS HARD, WE ALWAYS DUN CALLED 'EM KIKES AND I AIN'T GONNA STOP NOW JUS CUZ IT'S UN-PC"
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