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Re: Miley Spears: A retraction, no apology, and laughs at your expense.
« Reply #105 on: November 15, 2012, 09:47:38 pm »
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, I should point out that Loveshade does try to intertwine his beliefs with Discordianism, they aren't simply "surplus opinions a discordian has".  So, there might be merit in his being interviewed with everyone else, out of a sense of completeness.

If I were to watch a documentary, or read a book, on Christianity I would want to now about Fred Phelps too.

There, I said it... Loveshade, the Fred Phelps of Discordia.

If I were a Christian, I'd feel uncomfortable about my beliefs being even tangentially associated with Phelps.  So, yeah.

They should.  Fortunately for us, Loveshade has to twist Discordianism to suit his beliefs... Phelps is just literal.
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« Reply #106 on: November 15, 2012, 09:49:02 pm »
Man, I'm out of the loop.  I have no idea who these St. Mae and Loveshade characters are or why I should.

Ancient tales.  When I have time, I can write you a synopsis.

Short & skinny:  One of Loveshade's buddies just doorstepped my dad.

Yeah I caught that part, and it's fucked up.  I realize I hadn't explicitly stated so before but I thought it went without saying. 

I thought I'd missed something with the Loveshade thing as newer members than me, like Alty and Hover Cat (yeah, that's right), seem to know who he is.

I just rewatched Hard Candy the other night. Great movie, great movie.

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Movie about a pedo being toyed with by a psychotic teenage fledgling serial killer.  I guess related... sorta?
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« Reply #107 on: November 15, 2012, 10:02:30 pm »
That's St Mae.   :kingmeh:

Yeah, I had a few words to say to that. Especially to the attitude that boils down to "you should participate in a project that includes input from a defender of kiddy-diddling... er, sorry, technically adolescent-diddling... even though it makes you uncomfortable, because I want you to".
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

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« Reply #108 on: November 15, 2012, 10:05:44 pm »
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, I should point out that Loveshade does try to intertwine his beliefs with Discordianism, they aren't simply "surplus opinions a discordian has".  So, there might be merit in his being interviewed with everyone else, out of a sense of completeness.

If I were to watch a documentary, or read a book, on Christianity I would want to now about Fred Phelps too.

There, I said it... Loveshade, the Fred Phelps of Discordia.

I have no objection to him being interviewed.

I simply won't be involved.  At all.

Yeah, I feel like I'm being yelled at because I'm not playing and they want me to play.  :kingmeh:

As far as a documentary on Discordia, is this a documentary? Or a series of interviews, which is less like a documentary and more like a collaboration? Will Clutterbuck be including his own analysis of the situation? It appeared to me to be more like a "Discordians, in their own words" kind of project, and less of a "glimpse into modern Discordianism" kind of project, but either way, I don't have to choose to have my words appear alongside those of a hebephile, and there's no compelling reason for  me to do so.
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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
― Assata Shaku

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« Reply #109 on: November 15, 2012, 10:17:40 pm »
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, I should point out that Loveshade does try to intertwine his beliefs with Discordianism, they aren't simply "surplus opinions a discordian has".  So, there might be merit in his being interviewed with everyone else, out of a sense of completeness.

If I were to watch a documentary, or read a book, on Christianity I would want to now about Fred Phelps too.

There, I said it... Loveshade, the Fred Phelps of Discordia.

I have no objection to him being interviewed.

I simply won't be involved.  At all.

Yeah, I feel like I'm being yelled at because I'm not playing and they want me to play.  :kingmeh:

As far as a documentary on Discordia, is this a documentary? Or a series of interviews, which is less like a documentary and more like a collaboration? Will C*** be including his own analysis of the situation? It appeared to me to be more like a "Discordians, in their own words" kind of project, and less of a "glimpse into modern Discordianism" kind of project, but either way, I don't have to choose to have my words appear alongside those of a hebephile, and there's no compelling reason for  me to do so.


Certainly not.  It would seem to me to be thoroughly antithetical to the very core ideas of Discordianism to try to force anyone into participating.  Or did I dream that whole "stick apart" shit up?
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« Reply #110 on: November 15, 2012, 10:35:04 pm »
Interesting... check the articles Miley Cyrus admits to creating on Uncyclopedia: hxxp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Miley_Spears

Also, she mentions Cainad as her father again here.
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« Reply #111 on: November 15, 2012, 10:50:17 pm »
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, I should point out that Loveshade does try to intertwine his beliefs with Discordianism, they aren't simply "surplus opinions a discordian has".  So, there might be merit in his being interviewed with everyone else, out of a sense of completeness.

If I were to watch a documentary, or read a book, on Christianity I would want to now about Fred Phelps too.

There, I said it... Loveshade, the Fred Phelps of Discordia.

I have no objection to him being interviewed.

I simply won't be involved.  At all.

Yeah, I feel like I'm being yelled at because I'm not playing and they want me to play.  :kingmeh:

As far as a documentary on Discordia, is this a documentary? Or a series of interviews, which is less like a documentary and more like a collaboration? Will C be including his own analysis of the situation? It appeared to me to be more like a "Discordians, in their own words" kind of project, and less of a "glimpse into modern Discordianism" kind of project, but either way, I don't have to choose to have my words appear alongside those of a hebephile, and there's no compelling reason for  me to do so.

To address the question directly, yes I will be adding some of my own commentary.

For the record if someone chooses to participate or not, I respect that choice.

Could I please ask that my irl name not be used on PD for the next five weeks? I'm still teaching  for the next few weeks and my students occasionally webstalk me.

Also that sucks Roger, and I'm sorry to hear it.
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« Reply #112 on: November 15, 2012, 10:59:11 pm »
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, I should point out that Loveshade does try to intertwine his beliefs with Discordianism, they aren't simply "surplus opinions a discordian has".  So, there might be merit in his being interviewed with everyone else, out of a sense of completeness.

If I were to watch a documentary, or read a book, on Christianity I would want to now about Fred Phelps too.

There, I said it... Loveshade, the Fred Phelps of Discordia.

I have no objection to him being interviewed.

I simply won't be involved.  At all.

Yeah, I feel like I'm being yelled at because I'm not playing and they want me to play.  :kingmeh:

As far as a documentary on Discordia, is this a documentary? Or a series of interviews, which is less like a documentary and more like a collaboration? Will C be including his own analysis of the situation? It appeared to me to be more like a "Discordians, in their own words" kind of project, and less of a "glimpse into modern Discordianism" kind of project, but either way, I don't have to choose to have my words appear alongside those of a hebephile, and there's no compelling reason for  me to do so.

To address the question directly, yes I will be adding some of my own commentary.

For the record if someone chooses to participate or not, I respect that choice.

Could I please ask that my irl name not be used on PD for the next five weeks? I'm still teaching  for the next few weeks and my students occasionally webstalk me.

Also that sucks Roger, and I'm sorry to hear it.

Oh, "respect" is why you removed me from your group in the middle of that conversation?  :lol: Sure. It couldn't have been butthurt or censorship or anything like that.

Fuck you and your project, asshole.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
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« Reply #113 on: November 15, 2012, 11:07:55 pm »
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, I should point out that Loveshade does try to intertwine his beliefs with Discordianism, they aren't simply "surplus opinions a discordian has".  So, there might be merit in his being interviewed with everyone else, out of a sense of completeness.

If I were to watch a documentary, or read a book, on Christianity I would want to now about Fred Phelps too.

There, I said it... Loveshade, the Fred Phelps of Discordia.

I have no objection to him being interviewed.

I simply won't be involved.  At all.

Yeah, I feel like I'm being yelled at because I'm not playing and they want me to play.  :kingmeh:

As far as a documentary on Discordia, is this a documentary? Or a series of interviews, which is less like a documentary and more like a collaboration? Will C be including his own analysis of the situation? It appeared to me to be more like a "Discordians, in their own words" kind of project, and less of a "glimpse into modern Discordianism" kind of project, but either way, I don't have to choose to have my words appear alongside those of a hebephile, and there's no compelling reason for  me to do so.

To address the question directly, yes I will be adding some of my own commentary.

For the record if someone chooses to participate or not, I respect that choice.

Could I please ask that my irl name not be used on PD for the next five weeks? I'm still teaching  for the next few weeks and my students occasionally webstalk me.

Also that sucks Roger, and I'm sorry to hear it.

Oh, "respect" is why you removed me from your group in the middle of that conversation?  :lol: Sure. It couldn't have been butthurt or censorship or anything like that.

Fuck you and your project, asshole.
Wait, what? He was talking about respecting people's decisions to participate or not and then he throws someone out of the group? Uhhh...  :lulz:

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« Reply #114 on: November 15, 2012, 11:11:56 pm »
I feel like promoting Loveshade is a bit like a hypothetical the members of PeeDee putting BH on some kind of pedestal.

and if predatory sick fucks like Loveshade's voices are more important to Discordia than the voices of sexual assault survivors in terms of who is interviewed or featured, then fuck that noise.

There is only one way I could be involved in this if Loveshade is featured, and that's if Dingo calls him out on his crap and exposes his sick twisted ass.

Dingo, what happened to you being a feminist, dude? Seriously.

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« Reply #115 on: November 16, 2012, 02:29:21 am »
I feel like promoting Loveshade is a bit like a hypothetical the members of PeeDee putting BH on some kind of pedestal.

and if predatory sick fucks like Loveshade's voices are more important to Discordia than the voices of sexual assault survivors in terms of who is interviewed or featured, then fuck that noise.

There is only one way I could be involved in this if Loveshade is featured, and that's if Dingo calls him out on his crap and exposes his sick twisted ass.

Dingo, what happened to you being a feminist, dude? Seriously.

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« Reply #116 on: November 16, 2012, 02:56:33 am »
And here is the letter:




The part that's really interesting is that she refers to her pseudonym as a "private figure" rather than a public one (and that she can't seem to keep the middle initial straight).  In short, this means that she has used a false name to convey a legal threat through the US mail, which is - I am informed - mail fraud carrying a penalty of up to 3 years in prison and/or a $10,000 fine.

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« Reply #117 on: November 16, 2012, 03:13:36 am »
I think you are better do what she says Roger, it sounds serious!  :scared:
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« Reply #118 on: November 16, 2012, 03:15:53 am »
I think you are better do what she says Roger, it sounds serious!  :scared:

 :lulz:

Naw.  Shot her an email explaining that the retraction was made (because I now know that she isn't Loveshade, not because of her legal threats), and that due to her A) horrible fuck up, and B) doorstepping my father, I was sending her letter on to the postal inspector's office.  And that this isn't up for negotiation.  I have time next Monday, I'm doing it then.
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« Reply #119 on: November 16, 2012, 03:25:38 am »
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