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Mang's snarky letter to someone who 'had it coming'.
« on: November 15, 2012, 08:50:03 pm »
So, after 8 years Mrs Mang found a new job. Better money, annual pay raise, same benefits, less stress. She gave her notice on Monday and has been met with post-Romney levels of freak out and butthurt. And finally, I get to add my 2c. This is to the principal of her 3 (soon to be ex) bosses. Welcome editorial before I send this.

Dear J***,

By the time you read this, S**** will have departed for new opportunities. There's never a good time to deliver bad news, so I can appreciate that the prospect of losing a "valued" employee was a daunting one. Neither S**** nor I derive any pleasure from whatever difficulties that might arise for you. Nevertheless, it's important to recognize, as the Buddhists are wont to point out, that impermanence is the essence of our human condition. Nothing lasts forever whether its people, places, relationships, wealth, health or even nations - all are subject to the inexorable force of change. As such, S****'s time with you & *** was no exception. In 2004 right after we got married, taking the job with *** was the most appropriate course of action. In 2012 this was no longer the case. (Incidentally, S**** left her prior job because of the frankly, insane working conditions, not because of money. In fact, she took a substantial pay cut in order to escape that particular office and work for you, K** and, at that time, S**.)

In early 2007, another job opportunity opened up for her which also carried a better rate of pay. She discussed this offer with you but was met with considerable hostility and, oddly, the accusation that she was somehow disloyal. A disloyal person would have, surely, taken the money and run. This is not what she did however. Instead, she accepted a lesser counter-offer and stayed. Feeling genuine concern about the effects her leaving would have upon you and your practice, S**** chose to sacrifice easy security in favor of being 'the team player'.

Naturally, we were both dismayed that S****'s proven loyalty & dedication was rewarded with her hours being cut in, what I believe, to be a cowardly and backhanded manner. Instead of giving her fair consideration and consultation, she was palmed off to another rep (M***) like a piece of furniture. She was now the most qualified, experienced admin with the biggest workload and strangely enough, without meaningful compensation to show for it. Stranger still, was the expectation that somehow, she would perform all the same functions for the same money, in less time, with her attention split among three people.

S**** was hurt and disappointed by this development, as was I. However, she is a greatly patient and tolerant individual and accepted the situation stoically. In spite of her best intentions though, the demands placed upon her took a toll on her health. She worked at home, she worked on vacations. Go in early, stay late. She was even in the office checking things the week her daughter got married. It affected her physically and emotionally. As a married man, I hope you can relate to the concern I had for my wife and her well being.

Imagine our surprise then, returning from Italy in 2009, to be met with the indignity of being accused of 'talking too much to the other women', 'making too many mistakes' and 'not getting things done'. Most people think getting an office is a perk, but S**** got hers as punishment so that she could be isolated. (It should be noted that this change was handled in the same covert and thoughtless manner that resulted in her working for three planners.) Of course, she's human and makes mistakes, but I know that S**** is meticulous, rarely ever makes errors and when they do occur, she has always been able to correct them so that there has not been lasting or detrimental consequences. Bottom line - the cases went through, the clients were happy and you got paid.

We discussed this behaviour on many occasions and, most times, had to agree to disagree. I maintained, and still do, that the treatment meted out to her was unfair, unprofessional and predictably misogynist. To my frequent chagrin & frustration, she would always want to see the good in people and situations that I felt were not worthy of her time and attention. My constant refrain was that she deserved better. The great irony of it is I believe that neither, you, K** nor M*** would want your respective wives & daughters to be subject to these circumstances. I would hazard a guess that, if I were to show the same fundamental disrespect, there would be no end to the invective leveled at me. For all of your sakes, I sincerely hope your spouses and children are shown the common decency that I expect for my wife.

At this point, it should be apparent that S**** was never 'just about the money'. It was never just the dollar amount it was about all of the above and sheer apathy on the part of *** to take an interest in its people. That *** has lost some of its best administrators should be a cause for alarm and introspection though, I have a feeling it will not.

Since we're on the subject of money, if I may be so bold, I wish to make the following comments. It is my understanding that you informed S**** that "$7000 p/a wouldn't make a difference" in our lives. I am afraid that you are not in a position to know what would or would not make a difference to our lives. If you believe the sum to be so trivial, then can I assume that you would have been happy to raise her pay by the same amount?

Secondly, neither of us are in a position to dictate what other people's spouses should do. I do not answer to you, nor am I obliged to extend any sort of explanation. To clarify - I have a job. I am self employed and work in the field of healthcare. I am well trained, very experienced and have helped many people to heal, often in situations where conventional approaches have been less than satisfactory. I am solely responsible for every client I find and maintain. Every penny I make goes to the upkeep and well being of my family. Respectfully, my earnings are not your concern just as I have no knowledge or interest in your finances. I chose this career for the good it brings to the world, not because I thought I'd make a fast buck. If it was just about money, I'd go back to working in an office. The pettiness and inanity of office politics was, in part, what drove me to take a different path in the first place. Furthermore, it matters not in the slightest whether I am worth $1 or $100,000 a year. That is utterly immaterial to the fact that S**** deserved better for all the good will and effort she put in over the years. After all, it wasn't me signing her pay checks.

In closing, we all have our respective burdens to bear. Yours is finding a new assistant as S****'s is to get settled into a new job. You can blame her leaving on her, me, money, the women in the office etc. Hell, blame the President or Mercury being retrograde, it's of no odds to me. The truth is that she left because it was the most appropriate course of action for our life. I hope that you can understand and honour that, even though her actions may have inconvenienced you. It's not money, or spite or being 'under the influence of negativity in the office' it's simply this - negligence. Due care, attention and a sense of personal culpability would have yielded a much different outcome.

Best wishes for the future.

Yours sincerely


Mangrove

PS FYI. Some time back S**** wrote a letter outlining her concerns and grievances. You refused to believe she was even capable of writing such a letter. You were wrong. I had no hand in that as it was all her doing. People often underestimate her, it's not a mistake I make.
 

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Re: Mang's snarky letter to someone who 'had it coming'.
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2012, 10:38:52 pm »
It's a great letter, but I have to say that if my husband wrote a letter to my ex-boss regarding their treatment of me, I'd find it weird and paternalistic.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2012, 10:51:16 pm »
It's a great letter, but I have to say that if my husband wrote a letter to my ex-boss regarding their treatment of me, I'd find it weird and paternalistic.

Because she's leaving for a new job, he thinks that I am 'coaching her' and that she isn't capable of quitting a job without being influenced by MIND LAZORS. He also told her that I should 'get a job' and that he wouldn't want to give her a pay raise now because apparently that would be the same as giving me a raise and that 'pisses him off'. [Incidentally, his wife doesn't have a job.] He also told her that she wasn't 'being herself today' because she refused to quietly accept verbal abuse from him and one of the other bosses.

So yeah, perhaps my complaint might be 'paternalistic' but these guys are flat out misogynists. He told my wife today that when he gets into arguments with his own wife, it's better that she simply accepts what he says and backs down. He seriously used that as an example for Mrs Mang to follow in the workplace.

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2012, 10:57:23 pm »
Doesn't you sending him a letter just reinforce his idea that she can't think/speak for herself?
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”

“People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2012, 11:06:10 pm »
Hmm. While I approve of the content and righteous indignation, I am also in agreement with Nigel. This is probably just going to reinforce his misogyny.

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2012, 11:07:08 pm »
Doesn't you sending him a letter just reinforce his idea that she can't think/speak for herself?

Maybe.

I still like the letter, though.  I'd do the same thing, if my wife didn't have a problem with it.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2012, 11:16:29 pm »
Doesn't you sending him a letter just reinforce his idea that she can't think/speak for herself?

I don't think so however, I am open to clarification. Am I being thick here?  :?

Besides, after years of putting up with their crap, she snapped today and has been handing out verbal beat downs to all & sundry.

Still, I'm open to suggestions.
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2012, 11:23:27 pm »
Hmm. While I approve of the content and righteous indignation, I am also in agreement with Nigel. This is probably just going to reinforce his misogyny.

To be honest, there wasn't any likelihood that I could make these assholes treat women better and I can't see how my letter would make them treat their wives/co workers worse.

I mean, they've been doing this for years. I don't think for a minute that me writing to them would, in any way, 'open their eyes' and for them to go 'Mang is right! We treat women like shit!'

As I said, I've had enough of these douchebags and I need either a better strategy or a really really good explanation as to why I cannot express my discontent over blatantly stupid, selfish behaviour especially when their method of attacking her involves taking shots at me. Is a spouse never allowed to call out morons when they mistreat someone they care for?

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2012, 12:30:24 am »
Hmm. While I approve of the content and righteous indignation, I am also in agreement with Nigel. This is probably just going to reinforce his misogyny.

To be honest, there wasn't any likelihood that I could make these assholes treat women better and I can't see how my letter would make them treat their wives/co workers worse.

I mean, they've been doing this for years. I don't think for a minute that me writing to them would, in any way, 'open their eyes' and for them to go 'Mang is right! We treat women like shit!'

As I said, I've had enough of these douchebags and I need either a better strategy or a really really good explanation as to why I cannot express my discontent over blatantly stupid, selfish behaviour especially when their method of attacking her involves taking shots at me. Is a spouse never allowed to call out morons when they mistreat someone they care for?
No, no, don't take it that way. What I meant is that they will see your letter and say "See? Even this guy speaks for his wife, just like I've always said." I mean, the way I see it this is sort of a no win situation for you. If you don't say anything, nothing happens. If you do say something, then nothing happens. Like I said, I do approve of everything you said, and I would certainly feel the same way if I were you. But, like you said, it's not going to change any minds.

So, really, it comes down to whether you think that mailing this letter will at least provide you with some closure, or whatever you're looking for. Also, might want to discuss it with your wife if you haven't already.

And lastly, good luck to Mrs. Mang in her new job. Hopefully it's better than that shithole.

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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2012, 03:12:09 am »
Hmm. While I approve of the content and righteous indignation, I am also in agreement with Nigel. This is probably just going to reinforce his misogyny.

To be honest, there wasn't any likelihood that I could make these assholes treat women better and I can't see how my letter would make them treat their wives/co workers worse.

I mean, they've been doing this for years. I don't think for a minute that me writing to them would, in any way, 'open their eyes' and for them to go 'Mang is right! We treat women like shit!'

As I said, I've had enough of these douchebags and I need either a better strategy or a really really good explanation as to why I cannot express my discontent over blatantly stupid, selfish behaviour especially when their method of attacking her involves taking shots at me. Is a spouse never allowed to call out morons when they mistreat someone they care for?
No, no, don't take it that way. What I meant is that they will see your letter and say "See? Even this guy speaks for his wife, just like I've always said." I mean, the way I see it this is sort of a no win situation for you. If you don't say anything, nothing happens. If you do say something, then nothing happens. Like I said, I do approve of everything you said, and I would certainly feel the same way if I were you. But, like you said, it's not going to change any minds.

So, really, it comes down to whether you think that mailing this letter will at least provide you with some closure, or whatever you're looking for. Also, might want to discuss it with your wife if you haven't already.

And lastly, good luck to Mrs. Mang in her new job. Hopefully it's better than that shithole.

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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2012, 04:45:02 am »
Nigel, Phox & Roger,

Thanks for the input guys. I'll talk this over with Mrs Mang and see what she thinks. In the frame of mind she's in tonight...lol....what I said in the letter was significantly less vicious than what she said in her phone rant to me this afternoon  :lol:

If I ask her about it it'll have to be as 'send or not send?'. If I said 'should I not do this for fear of appearing paternalistic?' she's going to give me the  :kingmeh: look. That's not particularly part of her vocabulary. Similarly, she doesn't care much for Sanskrit either.

And apparently, not only should women just agree with men so that fights don't escalate, I am supposed to go and work in Home Depot. That I worked and paid for all my training out of my own pocket, emigrated, established my own employment and pay tax is clearly missing on this cretin. No, I get to work in DIY retail so a man earning $700,0000+ a year and is drowning in debt can put in a new bid on a larger 2nd home at the Cape. It's a Romney-mass MIRACLE!!!!!!

 
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2012, 08:14:39 am »
Nigel, Phox & Roger,

Thanks for the input guys. I'll talk this over with Mrs Mang and see what she thinks. In the frame of mind she's in tonight...lol....what I said in the letter was significantly less vicious than what she said in her phone rant to me this afternoon  :lol:

If I ask her about it it'll have to be as 'send or not send?'. If I said 'should I not do this for fear of appearing paternalistic?' she's going to give me the  :kingmeh: look. That's not particularly part of her vocabulary. Similarly, she doesn't care much for Sanskrit either.

And apparently, not only should women just agree with men so that fights don't escalate, I am supposed to go and work in Home Depot. That I worked and paid for all my training out of my own pocket, emigrated, established my own employment and pay tax is clearly missing on this cretin. No, I get to work in DIY retail so a man earning $700,0000+ a year and is drowning in debt can put in a new bid on a larger 2nd home at the Cape. It's a Romney-mass MIRACLE!!!!!!
Heh, yeah. I fully agree with your frustation, Mang. But yea,h i think asking her if she thinks you should it is the best option. Anyway, good luck to her and good luck to you. (and hey, if you manage to get a response share the lulz. :lulz:)

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2012, 03:11:21 pm »
Nigel, Phox & Roger,

Thanks for the input guys. I'll talk this over with Mrs Mang and see what she thinks. In the frame of mind she's in tonight...lol....what I said in the letter was significantly less vicious than what she said in her phone rant to me this afternoon  :lol:

If I ask her about it it'll have to be as 'send or not send?'. If I said 'should I not do this for fear of appearing paternalistic?' she's going to give me the  :kingmeh: look. That's not particularly part of her vocabulary. Similarly, she doesn't care much for Sanskrit either.

And apparently, not only should women just agree with men so that fights don't escalate, I am supposed to go and work in Home Depot. That I worked and paid for all my training out of my own pocket, emigrated, established my own employment and pay tax is clearly missing on this cretin. No, I get to work in DIY retail so a man earning $700,0000+ a year and is drowning in debt can put in a new bid on a larger 2nd home at the Cape. It's a Romney-mass MIRACLE!!!!!!
Heh, yeah. I fully agree with your frustation, Mang. But yea,h i think asking her if she thinks you should it is the best option. Anyway, good luck to her and good luck to you. (and hey, if you manage to get a response share the lulz. :lulz:)

Thanks Phox! Letter of resignation goes in today. I'm going to be so relieved when I never have to hear about those dirtbags again. No more sexist or racist bullshit, no more listening to their religious or political dogma. No more being nickled & dimed by millionaires suffering from 'selective poverty' (eg: I haven't given you a raise in 6 years because I'm broke....except when I buy a new car, a boat and spend $14,000 on a week's vacation because the wife gets sad when it rains etc..etc..) No more being told by management 'Yes, I realize he insulted you and your family....but don't take it personally, they don't mean it....you have to understand that these are 'high energy' guys and they're under a lot of stress making us huge amounts of money.' No more 'we'd like to help you....we realize some of the agents are dicks who break the law...but then..you know...we can't really do anything...'
No more plotting against Mrs Mang when she's off on vacation. (Every time she'd take a week off, she'd come back to find her bosses in a weird mood and that they'd all spent the time talking smack about her in the office and spreading lies.)

SOOOOO LOOONNGGGG MUTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :lulz:
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2012, 04:32:55 pm »
Update:

I didn't end up sending the letter because, I didn't have to. Though, it did feel good to get this out of my system. The person to whom this was directed backed down and has spent pretty much the whole of this last week apologizing profusely. Mrs Mang believes his contrition to be authentic. He's been doing a lot of smacking himself in the head and saying "I can't believe I've been such a dick!!" or words to that effect. Seems that his barstool experience has had a positive and hopefully, lasting effect.

Mrs Mang's other bosses have remained largely unchanged. One of them has resorted to rudeness & backstabbing while the other has lapsed into "I can't believe you'd leave MEEEEE! For added hilarity he said "Now that Mrs Mang is leaving, we can hire a hottie."  :kingmeh:

New job starts on Monday and 'Two & a half men douchebags'  have been excised from our life.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2012, 04:35:00 pm »
Although it's a sign of non-closure, it would probably be fun to see how the business fares once she's gone.
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