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Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« on: April 26, 2013, 08:42:00 pm »
Good day, my little love carbuncles of internet desire.  It is I, Doktor Howl, standing in for The Good Reverend Roger, who has yet again lost his shit in various embarrassing ways.  The world, you see, has grown far to amusing to be explained by religion, and once again requires SCIENCE.  And I know, as you know, that the world screams to have SCIENCE done to it.  In every orifice.

So here we are.  Just you and me and 7.3 billion humans, all alone together.  I don’t like the humans, and you don’t like the humans.  But you can’t really run away from what you are, because the legs you are running with are part of what you’re trying to flee.

So, anyway, on to business.  While I’ve been dead, I’ve done a lot more thinking about communication.  I have come up with some conclusions that seem to be almost universal, at least with respect to the United States.  Results may vary in other lands.  First, some definitions/de-coded statements and words:

“But” --> Ignore every word that preceded this one.

“I understand” --> I didn’t listen to a single word you said.

“I feel your pain” --> Go spread your tale of woe elsewhere.

“I have some issues with that” --> I am butthurt and I’m done listening.

There’s more, but you get the idea.  Language not used to directly convey information can be assumed to mean the exact opposite of what it seems to say.  Contrast it with the following:

“This fucking thing is broken” --> This fucking thing is broken.

“I love you” --> I love you.

“We had to let Harry go this week”  --> Harry doesn’t work here anymore.

Notice that the difference is that the first set of statements didn’t actually convey information, and the second set did.  We can form a hypothesis here, and that is that humans will give you factual information and package it in factual statements.  Humans will also feed you bullshit, and will package it in words that don’t actually say anything, but sound as if they do.

All jargon, I think, is based on this principle.  Jargon is widely taken to mean “language used by specific specialists, for the purpose of communicating within their specialty”.  The fact is, though, that what jargon actually means is “language which is used to define who is an insider and who is The Other.”  This is why jargon changes once the general population learns what it means…Thus disproving the commonly held concept of what “jargon” means.

More on this later.

Okay for now,
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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2013, 08:59:32 pm »
Uh oh.  Dok's back.  Hide the medical utensils.

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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2013, 09:26:50 pm »
This is excellent!
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2013, 10:39:03 pm »
That is my experience of jargon as well.
It's like an inside joke, designed to make you feel not welcome.


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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2013, 11:13:23 pm »
HE IS RISEN.

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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2013, 11:14:14 pm »
Humans program their MACHINES to say things that don't mean anything. "Your call is very important to us! Please hold for the next available operator."

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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 11:34:16 pm »
Are jargon and slang the same thing?

As a youth I would always get upset because I never understood the current slang. These days I just shrug my shoulders and figure that whatever was said wasn't very important if they either couldn't or wouldn't explain it to me.
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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2013, 11:38:55 pm »
As far as I understand it, no. Slang is shorthand, and a tribal marker.

Jargon is a willful attempt to send bad signal, masked by obfuscation.

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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2013, 11:49:22 pm »
As far as I understand it, no. Slang is shorthand, and a tribal marker.

Jargon is a willful attempt to send bad signal, masked by obfuscation.

What about jargon that is originally derived from occupation-centric slang?
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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2013, 11:55:01 pm »
Are jargon and slang the same thing?

As a youth I would always get upset because I never understood the current slang. These days I just shrug my shoulders and figure that whatever was said wasn't very important if they either couldn't or wouldn't explain it to me.

Slang is shared, while jargon is hoarded.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2013, 12:05:02 am »
Are jargon and slang the same thing?

As a youth I would always get upset because I never understood the current slang. These days I just shrug my shoulders and figure that whatever was said wasn't very important if they either couldn't or wouldn't explain it to me.

Slang is shared, while jargon is hoarded.
If that's the case then I heard a whole lot of jargon from my peers at school, because nothing was ever shared with me.
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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2013, 02:01:40 am »
Does technical jargon count? Lots of professions use acronyms excessively, but often it's necessary shorthand.

For example, most computer/network services are acronym'ed not to confuse outsiders, but because otherwise conversations would take forever. "HTTP" and DNS" are much easier to say than "Hypertext Transport Protocol" and "Domain Name Service".

Where is the line drawn between valid acronyms and "obscuring" jargon?
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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2013, 02:33:56 am »
Does technical jargon count? Lots of professions use acronyms excessively, but often it's necessary shorthand.

For example, most computer/network services are acronym'ed not to confuse outsiders, but because otherwise conversations would take forever. "HTTP" and DNS" are much easier to say than "Hypertext Transport Protocol" and "Domain Name Service".

Where is the line drawn between valid acronyms and "obscuring" jargon?


Notice that the difference is that the first set of statements didn’t actually convey information, and the second set did.  We can form a hypothesis here, and that is that humans will give you factual information and package it in factual statements.  Humans will also feed you bullshit, and will package it in words that don’t actually say anything, but sound as if they do.

All jargon, I think, is based on this principle.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2013, 07:02:48 am »
Does technical jargon count? Lots of professions use acronyms excessively, but often it's necessary shorthand.

For example, most computer/network services are acronym'ed not to confuse outsiders, but because otherwise conversations would take forever. "HTTP" and DNS" are much easier to say than "Hypertext Transport Protocol" and "Domain Name Service".

Where is the line drawn between valid acronyms and "obscuring" jargon?


Notice that the difference is that the first set of statements didn’t actually convey information, and the second set did.  We can form a hypothesis here, and that is that humans will give you factual information and package it in factual statements.  Humans will also feed you bullshit, and will package it in words that don’t actually say anything, but sound as if they do.

All jargon, I think, is based on this principle.

Ah, got it. Thanks.
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Re: Wrecked Time in Fat City, part I
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2013, 08:58:37 am »
As far as I understand it, no. Slang is shorthand, and a tribal marker.

Jargon is a willful attempt to send bad signal, masked by obfuscation.

I  think your definition of slang is closer to what I hear Jargon being defined as.  Jargon is not an attempt to deceive, it is an attempt to exclude, and it is different from contradictory signal.  "Your call is important to us" isn't Jargon, it's just bullshit.