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Discordian Grin: Old School Discordians.
« on: March 25, 2014, 02:27:28 pm »
There's a certain type of Discordian that spends a lot of time worrying about Discordia's past, instead of its future.  I am not so much refering here to hobbyists and amateur historians such as Adam Gorightly (although the obsession with the founders many people have is a little strange), but rather the sort of person who obsesses over minor points in Discordian thinking that have been done to death for 10 years or more.

For example I spent an hour or so last night, going over a few "General Semantics" sites, including of course the facebook page.  While many fine points WERE made, none of these points were new.  All of these pages seemed to consist of people trying to show each other how jaded they were, how every ounce of human free will is "a story", among other spastic fits of solopsism.

Now, if that's how these folks get their rocks off, fine & dandy.  I am not here to get between them and their groove.  But, speaking personally, I can't decide which is more dismal:  the solopsism or the bog-standard primate pecking order games that seem to be continuous among even the established users...Without even the comic relief (or attempted comic relief) I have come to expect from Discordians.  These people are serious.  Perhaps that's the joke?

Also, this weird cult of personality that is re-emerging around Thornley, Hill, and Wilson.  There is nothing wrong with preserving some of that shit, you know, as a hobby...But to throw up newly-discovered pics and/or writing like it's the dead sea scrolls containing commandments 11-20 doesn't seem - to me - to be much more than some weird priesthood of sorts.  Yes, yes, you met/knew one of the originals, way the fuck back in the year dot.  Get over it.

These things, taken together, imply a certain level of stagnation that approaches Lutheranism, in which synods meet every so often to debate precendent going back to 1600 or so, with new thought being viewed as a direct affront to God.  Not to mention, of course, the urge that both above behaviors result in; cleansing the temple.  Lutherans spent 350 years griping about "creeping Calvinism", while these days, a certain type of person gets riled by Subgenius/Pastafarian/Last Thursdayist influences creeping into Discordia.

*ahem*

THEY WERE ALREADY IN DISCORDIA.

Because, if we're gonna quote holy writ, remember that ALL persons are Discordians.  ALL OF THEM.  This INCLUDES these other, lesser churches, NOT TO MENTION all the "mundane" religions such as Catholicism, Jainism, and even pro wrasslin' fans.
 
So, again, I am not here to tell you how to behave or what ought to set off your monkey, but it seems to me that the urge for old-timey and/or so-called esoteric studies are in many circumstances a case of not being able to see the forest for the trees.  Discordia encompasses so much fun weirdness, it is so vast, that it seems kind of weird - in my opinion, mind you - to sit down and obsess over one small part of it.

At this point, I was going to go a little further into the free will thing mentioned above, but it seems to me that it might require an entire rant of its own.

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Re: Discordian Grin: Old School Discordians.
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2014, 04:57:59 pm »
Yes!  This speaks to me.  I was opposed to PD2006 when it was proposed waaaaay back in the day, but I realize now how wrong I was. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2014, 05:05:21 pm »
Yes!  This speaks to me.  I was opposed to PD2006 when it was proposed waaaaay back in the day, but I realize now how wrong I was. 

If you see Malaclypse the Younger on the road, kill him and fuck his corpse until they drag you away laughing and crying.

Hell yes.

The main issue I was addressing was the General Semantics thing, which (both on FB and on other sites) seems to be a dozen people saying the same things at each other non-stop, most of which has to do with a weird determinist nihilism that is so dismal, I'd fucking shoot myself in the face if I found myself believing in it.  And, as with basically all internet groups, anyone arguing the basic premise (rather than debating the fine points) is given the usual treatment, though with less hostility and more blanket-huffing.

For example, I was told that believing in free will means that I believe everyone has to be exactly alike.

I have NO FUCKING CLUE how that conclusion was reached, and explanations were not forthcoming.

This is something we've seen in ourselves, here at PD (although the GS crowd are far worse when it comes to jargon).  There is a large collection of issues that we have debated into the ground, and which we are not willing to rehash endlessly for new people.  You really CAN'T, but if you DON'T, then to anyone on the outside, you are completely incomprehensible.  I am unsure how that can be handled.
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Re: Discordian Grin: Old School Discordians.
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2014, 05:32:13 pm »
Well, on LessWrong, they've archived a lot of their posts into "Sequences", which pretty much spell it out for you.

I feel that BIP, Common Walls, and even an Intermittens or two were building up to that same kind of thing.  We hash something out, we come to some sort of tentative consensus, and then make something we can point to if anyone asks.


And let's not forget the Peanut Gallery!  An entire repository of Don't Do This.

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Re: Discordian Grin: Old School Discordians.
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2014, 05:42:14 pm »
Well, on LessWrong, they've archived a lot of their posts into "Sequences", which pretty much spell it out for you.

I feel that BIP, Common Walls, and even an Intermittens or two were building up to that same kind of thing.  We hash something out, we come to some sort of tentative consensus, and then make something we can point to if anyone asks.


And let's not forget the Peanut Gallery!  An entire repository of Don't Do This.

I've often thought that we could eliminate/combine a few forums and then stick a "best of" forum and/or an FAQ alongside the Peanut Gallery.
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Re: Discordian Grin: Old School Discordians.
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2014, 05:48:59 pm »
I can't seem to turn notifications off at the FB GS page.

So I have learned that I have used unauthorized words/terminology with respect to general semantics.

 :lulz:

What the actual fuck.
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2014, 05:56:01 pm »
Well, they admit to having a uniform, which very well may be a first.

I am now fascinated.
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Re: Discordian Grin: Old School Discordians.
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2014, 06:01:38 pm »
I can't seem to turn notifications off at the FB GS page.

So I have learned that I have used unauthorized words/terminology with respect to general semantics.

 :lulz:

What the actual fuck.

Wait, what?

THE TOOLS HAVE BECOME THE MASTERS.







I just realized that has more than one meaning.






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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2014, 06:09:41 pm »
UCWHUTIDIDTHERE?

Yep.   :lulz:

I love the idea that you can outlaw certain words in a conversation about semantics.  Which is totally not a means of propping up a dumbass argument.
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Re: Discordian Grin: Old School Discordians.
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2014, 06:10:58 pm »
Which of the verboten words did you utter, you contemptible beast?

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2014, 06:15:19 pm »
Which of the verboten words did you utter, you contemptible beast?

Here you go.

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Hamish Howl  BALLS. People who say "free will is a story" are just miserable bastards who are afraid of being alive.16 hours ago · Like

Heron Stone isn't it interesting how some people project their own motivations onto others
that's a reasonable methodology... right... we're all the same... right?  NOTE: WTF?

Costel Stan @Hamish Howl - Actually, Free Will sits (or stands up, if you prefer) on a foundation of stories. Actually, I think the term "illegitimate" is not suitable to describe the "People who say "free will is a story"' and about who you say that they "are just miserable bastards who are afraid of being alive" (the map, in this case), as long as, even though they would be miserable, they have every right to be afraid, at least just as anyone else would. Perhaps fear is that that keeps them alive, or perhaps this is their way. Anyway, they are "legitimate" (or "non-bastard" if you like more). So, I have some serious doubts that "miserable bastards" is a GS term.

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Re: Discordian Grin: Old School Discordians.
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2014, 06:16:49 pm »
I've just thought of a cool forum mod, if anyone can be arsed, compile a database of PD memes with links to the thread where they either started or were best explained/debated/hashed out, etc. Then parse any posts for keywords (BIP, "Fart Huffing" and the like) if found, convert the phrase to a link to the "definition" topic. Anyone new wants to know wtf something means they can click.
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2014, 06:17:20 pm »
Then this happened:

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Dwayne Poloway   Actually guys, there just might be a uniform; science-mathematics-GS-religion-spirituality-etc must converge in a confluence of thought streams in order for structure to flow together.

So much wow woo.

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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2014, 06:18:15 pm »
I've just thought of a cool forum mod, if anyone can be arsed, compile a database of PD memes with links to the thread where they either started or were best explained/debated/hashed out, etc. Then parse any posts for keywords (BIP, "Fart Huffing" and the like) if found, convert the phrase to a link to the "definition" topic. Anyone new wants to know wtf something means they can click.

We've been bouncing something similar around, but your way is, I think, better.

We could also link to various things in the intro thread.
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Re: Discordian Grin: Old School Discordians.
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2014, 06:30:45 pm »
Which of the verboten words did you utter, you contemptible beast?

Here you go.

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Hamish Howl  BALLS. People who say "free will is a story" are just miserable bastards who are afraid of being alive.16 hours ago · Like

Heron Stone isn't it interesting how some people project their own motivations onto others
that's a reasonable methodology... right... we're all the same... right?  NOTE: WTF?

Costel Stan @Hamish Howl - Actually, Free Will sits (or stands up, if you prefer) on a foundation of stories. Actually, I think the term "illegitimate" is not suitable to describe the "People who say "free will is a story"' and about who you say that they "are just miserable bastards who are afraid of being alive" (the map, in this case), as long as, even though they would be miserable, they have every right to be afraid, at least just as anyone else would. Perhaps fear is that that keeps them alive, or perhaps this is their way. Anyway, they are "legitimate" (or "non-bastard" if you like more). So, I have some serious doubts that "miserable bastards" is a GS term.

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