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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2014, 08:52:08 pm »
Do you really believe that practice of Christianity is simply mirroring for the sake of 'doing it the way it's always been done' rather than because it meets other needs of the practitioner?

And we all know that "Christianity" is one monolithic bloc that never, ever debates within itself.  It's just 2000 years of rote behavior.
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2014, 08:53:42 pm »
This was meant to be a simple point, a mere statement, that I'm having to draw out to try to communicate effectively, so all in all this argument isn't that meaningful. 

Oh, I know.  You were explaining our hivemind to us in terms that we would be able to understand.

It must be rough, living in a world where everyone's doin' it wrong.
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2014, 09:24:21 pm »
Do you really believe that practice of Christianity is simply mirroring for the sake of 'doing it the way it's always been done' rather than because it meets other needs of the practitioner?

Here's an interesting theory that xenophobic collectivist societies may have developed as a protection against infection:

http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/bugs-like-made-germ-theory-democracy-beliefs-73958/
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2014, 09:40:51 pm »
Do you really believe that practice of Christianity is simply mirroring for the sake of 'doing it the way it's always been done' rather than because it meets other needs of the practitioner?

Here's an interesting theory that xenophobic collectivist societies may have developed as a protection against infection:

http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/bugs-like-made-germ-theory-democracy-beliefs-73958/

That's a fascinating article, thanks Net.

An interesting paragraph that popped out to me:

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collectivist cultures tend to be both more xenophobic and more ethnocentric than individualist cultures.

It occurred to me that the USA tends to consider itself individualistic, and yet tends to display a considerable amount of xenophobia.  But, this is drifting off topic.
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2014, 09:42:45 pm »
Do you really believe that practice of Christianity is simply mirroring for the sake of 'doing it the way it's always been done' rather than because it meets other needs of the practitioner?

Here's an interesting theory that xenophobic collectivist societies may have developed as a protection against infection:

http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/bugs-like-made-germ-theory-democracy-beliefs-73958/

That's a fascinating article, thanks Net.

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collectivist cultures tend to be both more xenophobic and more ethnocentric than individualist cultures.

It occurred to me that the USA tends to consider itself individualistic, and yet tends to display a considerable amount of xenophobia.  But, this is drifting off topic.

America likes to believe it's individualist, but it is of course no such thing.  We demand a level of conformity on important matters that is unheard of in Europe (excepting Britian) and Canada.
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2014, 09:46:19 pm »
Do you really believe that practice of Christianity is simply mirroring for the sake of 'doing it the way it's always been done' rather than because it meets other needs of the practitioner?

Here's an interesting theory that xenophobic collectivist societies may have developed as a protection against infection:

http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/bugs-like-made-germ-theory-democracy-beliefs-73958/

That's a fascinating article, thanks Net.

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collectivist cultures tend to be both more xenophobic and more ethnocentric than individualist cultures.

It occurred to me that the USA tends to consider itself individualistic, and yet tends to display a considerable amount of xenophobia.  But, this is drifting off topic.

America likes to believe it's individualist, but it is of course no such thing.  We demand a level of conformity on important matters that is unheard of in Europe (excepting Britian) and Canada.

Need we look any further than enforced lawn maintenance ordinances?
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2014, 09:48:20 pm »
Need we look any further than enforced lawn maintenance ordinances?

Not really, but let's do it anyway.   :lulz:

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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2014, 09:50:19 pm »
Need we look any further than enforced lawn maintenance ordinances?

Not really, but let's do it anyway.   :lulz:

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Yep, and look how more than half the country treated that woman from the Dixie Chicks when she simply said she was embarrassed to come from the same state as the President...

I should point out that we have lots of those types north of the border too.  I'm related to a whack of them.
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2014, 09:51:03 pm »
Need we look any further than enforced lawn maintenance ordinances?

Not really, but let's do it anyway.   :lulz:

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"People had better watch what they believe."
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Yep, and look how more than half the country treated that woman from the Dixie Chicks when she simply said she was embarrassed to come from the same state as the President...

She and her pals cried all the way to the bank from their sold-out European tour that lasted 5 years.

 :lulz:
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2014, 09:54:54 pm »
Need we look any further than enforced lawn maintenance ordinances?

Not really, but let's do it anyway.   :lulz:

"You're either for us or against us."
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"It is treasonous to disagree with the president in wartime."
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"People had better watch what they believe."
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Yep, and look how more than half the country treated that woman from the Dixie Chicks when she simply said she was embarrassed to come from the same state as the President...

She and her pals cried all the way to the bank from their sold-out European tour that lasted 5 years.

 :lulz:

Maybe that was a bad example.   :lol:
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2014, 12:10:35 am »
If that's all you were trying to say, you could have just done this:

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Asch conformity experiments, AMIRITE?

But LMNO, it isn't like any of us have ever studied psychology, or had conversations about social conformity or conformity experiments before.

Real conformity experiments that actually happened, that is.

Not a one of us is familiar with Asch, Milgram, or Zimbardo either for that matter. :lol:
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2014, 12:14:27 am »
If that's all you were trying to say, you could have just done this:

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Asch conformity experiments, AMIRITE?

But LMNO, it isn't like any of us have ever studied psychology, or had conversations about social conformity or conformity experiments before.

Real conformity experiments that actually happened, that is.

Not a one of us is familiar with Asch, Milgram, or Zimbardo either for that matter. :lol:

Way to seek herd approval by agreeing with the anti-monkey-story agenda, Nigel. You don't even know why we don't like the monkey story, you're just dismissing it because that's the way it's always been done.

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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2014, 12:18:34 am »
If that's all you were trying to say, you could have just done this:

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Asch conformity experiments, AMIRITE?

But LMNO, it isn't like any of us have ever studied psychology, or had conversations about social conformity or conformity experiments before.

Real conformity experiments that actually happened, that is.

Not a one of us is familiar with Asch, Milgram, or Zimbardo either for that matter. :lol:

Way to seek herd approval by agreeing with the anti-monkey-story agenda, Nigel. You don't even know why we don't like the monkey story, you're just dismissing it because that's the way it's always been done.

 :lulz:
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2014, 12:52:02 am »
So...  "This made-up story confirms my beliefs, so we should treat it like it's true."

Because that's the way it's always been done, I guess...
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Re: Experiments with monkeys
« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2014, 05:34:26 am »
Do you really believe that practice of Christianity is simply mirroring for the sake of 'doing it the way it's always been done' rather than because it meets other needs of the practitioner?

And we all know that "Christianity" is one monolithic bloc that never, ever debates within itself.  It's just 2000 years of rote behavior.

2000 years of rote behavior. 200000 different kinds of Christianity. Makes sense to me.
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