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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2014, 11:11:57 pm »
You don't need a conspiracy when the system is biased in your favor.

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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2014, 12:47:04 am »
Sure, it looks like a happy coincidence,

But it's not a coincidence, and it's not the machinations of a cabal.  It's how the Machine™ behaves.

And this, my friends, is at the heart of Systems Science.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2014, 12:51:44 am »
Sure, it looks like a happy coincidence,

But it's not a coincidence, and it's not the machinations of a cabal.  It's how the Machine™ behaves.

And this, my friends, is at the heart of Systems Science.

Systems Science?

*runs off to google*

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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2014, 12:56:18 am »
Sure, it looks like a happy coincidence,

But it's not a coincidence, and it's not the machinations of a cabal.  It's how the Machine™ behaves.

And this, my friends, is at the heart of Systems Science.

Systems Science?

*runs off to google*

I had never heard of it before the end of last term, when I asked one of my professors if he taught any other classes and he was like "yeah, this one with a ridiculous name". Then I had to find out more about it, and it turns out there's a Systems Science graduate program here. I'm taking a class right now, it's really interesting.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2014, 01:05:17 am »
Sure, it looks like a happy coincidence,

But it's not a coincidence, and it's not the machinations of a cabal.  It's how the Machine™ behaves.

And this, my friends, is at the heart of Systems Science.

Systems Science?

*runs off to google*

I had never heard of it before the end of last term, when I asked one of my professors if he taught any other classes and he was like "yeah, this one with a ridiculous name". Then I had to find out more about it, and it turns out there's a Systems Science graduate program here. I'm taking a class right now, it's really interesting.

It's what it sounds like, and it's something I for which I never had a word.  Closest thing was heuristics.

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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2014, 01:20:47 am »
Sure, it looks like a happy coincidence,

But it's not a coincidence, and it's not the machinations of a cabal.  It's how the Machine™ behaves.

And this, my friends, is at the heart of Systems Science.

Systems Science?

*runs off to google*

I had never heard of it before the end of last term, when I asked one of my professors if he taught any other classes and he was like "yeah, this one with a ridiculous name". Then I had to find out more about it, and it turns out there's a Systems Science graduate program here. I'm taking a class right now, it's really interesting.

It's what it sounds like, and it's something I for which I never had a word.  Closest thing was heuristics.

Yeah, and the weird thing is how much Systems Science has influenced the thinking in biology, and yet is almost never mentioned. The current ecological model IS a systems science model. It came from systems science criticism of the old model, which wasn't really about systems at all.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2014, 01:23:23 am »
It came from systems science criticism of the old model, which wasn't really about systems at all.

Was that about the time they changed from "food chain" to "web"?

Because I remember things starting to look a lot more realistic about then.

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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2014, 01:33:18 am »
It came from systems science criticism of the old model, which wasn't really about systems at all.

Was that about the time they changed from "food chain" to "web"?

Because I remember things starting to look a lot more realistic about then.

I don't know for sure (and I think it's odd how little "history of the science" is in the textbooks) but my guess is that yes, that's exactly when that happened.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2014, 01:38:58 am »
It came from systems science criticism of the old model, which wasn't really about systems at all.

Was that about the time they changed from "food chain" to "web"?

Because I remember things starting to look a lot more realistic about then.

I don't know for sure (and I think it's odd how little "history of the science" is in the textbooks) but my guess is that yes, that's exactly when that happened.

There was a lot of resistance to that one little change in textbooks.

Mostly by people in the pay of Union Carbide, etc.  People aren't bothered by knocking out one alleged "chain", but when poisoning a great lake to death might kill EVERYTHING, they get more upset.

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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2014, 01:39:39 am »
This probably explain why systems science is so "backwater".

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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2014, 02:11:13 am »
That actually does make it make MUCH more sense.

I was like THIS IS THE MISSING LINK (in the sciences) but nobody's ever heard of it and it's been around since the sixties.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2014, 02:37:16 am »
That actually does make it make MUCH more sense.

I was like THIS IS THE MISSING LINK (in the sciences) but nobody's ever heard of it and it's been around since the sixties.

It somehow seems offensive to the RUGGED INDIVIDUALIST conditioning every American gets.  Interdependence is by definition a bad thing in daily life, and must therefore be some of that socialist book-learning that keeps telling the job providers to stop dumping pallidium into Lake Erie.

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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2014, 05:37:26 am »
That actually does make it make MUCH more sense.

I was like THIS IS THE MISSING LINK (in the sciences) but nobody's ever heard of it and it's been around since the sixties.

It somehow seems offensive to the RUGGED INDIVIDUALIST conditioning every American gets.  Interdependence is by definition a bad thing in daily life, and must therefore be some of that socialist book-learning that keeps telling the job providers to stop dumping pallidium into Lake Erie.

Yeah, I think that's pretty much the size of it.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2014, 12:13:51 pm »
You don't need a conspiracy when the system is biased in your favor.

Permission to Big Words this? It is distilled perfection.

Absolutely.

Sure, it looks like a happy coincidence,

But it's not a coincidence, and it's not the machinations of a cabal.  It's how the Machine™ behaves.

And this, my friends, is at the heart of Systems Science.

Systems Science?

*runs off to google*

This totally would have been my major in college.  And my future would have been WAAAAY different.  Still, I can't complain.  My life is good.

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Re: GET OFF OUR LAWN: How Aliens and Gerald Ford Stole Your House
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2014, 01:02:28 pm »
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